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When Xbox announced Hellblade II there was no game, just a trailer made for the TGAs
LavitzSlambert
Member
They knew they had to launch ahead of the PS5 in order to have any chance, but they also knew they had no big first party games that would be ready. I understand why they did it to fight for survival, but I think the long wait without much coverage just ended up hurting them in the long run and made people feel lied to like a bait and switch. To be fair, Hellblade 2 never seemed like a system seller to me anyway - even to those who really enjoyed the first game.
JackMcGunns
Member
Really? Everything we’ve seen? Are you sure? Everything I’ve seen indicates it’s better than the first in every way. I wasn’t trying to compare games, the only thing similar is that the trailer was for a sequel, that’s all I’m saying. Banjo64 made a failed attempt to blame Microsoft for showing off a trailer announcing the sequel to an established game, but there was nothing wrong with that. Attempt to attack Xbox failed.
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Mercenary09
Member
Duh. It's why I laughed at all of their fanboys who were claiming it would be out in the first year or two. It was being built on UE5 which wasn't even available to teams yet. Some people have no common sense. Kept saying the game was years away.
Varteras
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
Bad examples:
TLG did exist and the trailer was shown because someone leaked an internal trailer.
It was later stated that the game at the time ran at single-digit fps as it was too demanding for PS3 and they had to manually adjust the frames to get a decent framerate for the trailer.
Hence why it took until PS4 before it got released and it "looked the same as the PS3 trailer".
Deep Down wasn't even a Sony game.
If anything, use the KZ2-trailer.
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salva
Member
lol who the fuck cares. The game is now complete and days from being released. There is zero obligation for a dev or publisher to take "X" amount of time to bring a game to you.
Also, it's only $49.99 USD / 6 hours = $8.33 USD per hour of gameplay (or cinematic watching lol). Peanuts!
Also, it's only $49.99 USD / 6 hours = $8.33 USD per hour of gameplay (or cinematic watching lol). Peanuts!
Slothbeing1209
Member
Isn't Everwild the same. They didn't know how it plays but just make a trailer for the showcase. I think it is xbox traditional.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Except Hellblade II looks much and much closer to that first trailer now than Killzone 2 was in comparison to its first one.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Not really. There was an enormous downgrade
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Funny enough and Idk how many people noticed, but there is a reference to this one in DD''2''.
I wonder what the fuck this even was in the first place.... I hope we'll find out at some point.
How can you downgrade a game if it wasn't even a game?
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midnightAI
Member
You mean the Series X is more powerful than a PS3? ... No way
Of course the series X can get closer to CG than a PS3 can
Anyway, irrelevant, the original argument is that Hellblade 2 hadn't even been started when the trailer released. Development of Killzone 2 was well in development even though they showed a CGI trailer so it's not really the same thing (still bad though admittedly, but that's not what the argument is about)
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I mean that it was impossible to match that trailer with PS3 hardware. Based on what they showed so far, the actual game looks much closer to the first trailer thanks to UE5, which can make a tech demo look like an actual movie in cut-scenes.
Obviously realtime can't much offline render yet, but we're getting there.
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CamHostage
Member
Your answers are in another thread:
Analysis - E-Sports - Game Dev - Dear Capcom, I still want Deep Down
Dragons Dogma has good combat and I likes it and alls but why can't it look more like Deep Downs high end art style at least or how about just releasing a next gen version of Deep Down this game looked incredibubble don't lie to yourselves
midnightAI
Member
Well, yeh, but like I said, that's because hardware now is more powerful so you can get closer to CG, the engine does help, but there are other engines that could get close to it also (Decima could for example, that engine has evolved a lot since KZ2)
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Let's see how much game there actually is once it does release.
And why are people bringing up Deep Down as a "Sony too"? That was a Capcom lie.
And why are people bringing up Deep Down as a "Sony too"? That was a Capcom lie.
NeverYouMind
Member
Does anyone know how much gameplay there is? I mean that interactive cutscenes are better off as skipable cutscenes for me and there has been no combat or exploration footage as far as I am aware.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
We'll likely know 1 hour before release
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This seems like a very good way to show your game. More studios should do this.....
ArcaneNLSC
Member
7th year was their weekend year to avoid crunch7 years for a 6 hour game.....
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Oh, so it basically was 3rd person Legend of Grimrock? InteresingYour answers are in another thread:
Analysis - E-Sports - Game Dev - Dear Capcom, I still want Deep Down
Dragons Dogma has good combat and I likes it and alls but why can't it look more like Deep Downs high end art style at least or how about just releasing a next gen version of Deep Down this game looked incredibubble don't lie to yourselveswww.neogaf.com
Cool concept, but very rough based on what they showed. I think they should come back to it at some point and make a game, which is for sure will be unique and welcome addition to their portfolio.
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Esppiral
Member
Are you on drugs? Killzone 2 ended up looking aesthetically similar but in no way looks better than the Pixar level of graphics they showed in the reveal..
Also this practice of showing a vertical slice of game early on is nothing new or exclusive to Xbox, stop pretending that.
JackMcGunns
Member
It was more than just the level of detail, there was more deception in the way it was presented than the graphics itself. Motorstorm was worse, and Gundam Crossfire was an absolute atrocity compared to what was shown. Today things are much better, the problem I have is someone trying to blame MS for this practice when their presentations have been much more down to earth, in fact I remember the “Xbox 1.5” comments of the day when looking at their trailers of actual games, little did the poor bastards know it was all fake.
How many man years?7 years for a 6 hour game.....
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You ain't kidding.
They tried to pass this off as PS3 footage all the way back in 2005.
nosoynadie22
Gold Member
Jaybe
Member
Phil doesn’t want to, but he still will
Puscifer
Member
Shockingly though, it still had the vibes and tech in the trailer. That games use of volunetrics is still unmatched in some ways, especially smoke and fire which tend to still be high quality 2D effects when you look close enough in many games.
drotahorror
Member
Can’t forget the Motorstorm trailer as well
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah this is nuts. I can't believe they really are doing that.
Stooky
Member
that was a trailer not a vertical slice