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[FreedomFighter]

So much ignorance in this thread!

DS had some pretty good FPS games and they controlled great with the stylus. Some of you just came in here trolling!

 

[todd360]

but have thou seen 3dsfall?

 

[GamerSoul]

the touchscreen was great in Hunters but my hands would tired after awhile. It didn't help i had the fat OG DS back then

 

[Diddy Kong]

Halo 3D believe

 

[Brickhunt]

3rd parties only develop games of a genre if there is an demand for this genre. The DS had Metroid Prime: Hunters, which I have no doubt contributed to the appearing of FPS.

Unfortunately, Nintendo forgot this and I counted in 3rd parties to fulfill the holes. Without a game like, hypothetically, "Metroid Prime Hunters 2" to show there is a demand for FPSs, 3rd parties didn't develop anything.

It's more or less the same situation that appeared on Wii. Nintendo should had bet on Metroid Prime 3, rather than Red Steel, by giving the spotlight at the E3 2006. But it did not, and the Wii's FPS scenario was severely damaged as result.

 

[fredrancour]

Or shooter games.

The DS had several and some, in my opinion, were pretty decent. Metroid Prime Hunters was a pretty fun arena shooter (though a bad Prime game), the Call of Duty games weren't too bad, the Renegaade kid games were decent and I thought that the Brothers in Arms game was pretty good.

The touchscreen is good for shooter games like these (better than a analog stick) and the improved hardware could really benefit full 3D games such as FPS or shooters.

So where are they? I guess there's Kid Icarus (I guess debatable) or MGS3 but there should be more.

Look, I agree with you.

But almost everyone else agrees that we are insane.

That's why we don't get them any more.

 

[Zuhzuhzombie!!]

So much ignorance in this thread!

DS had some pretty good FPS games and they controlled great with the stylus. Some of you just came in here trolling!

They gave you crab claw. May be good games, but not good for the body.

Nothing (except for a mouse) that doesn't have a neutral position (touch screen included) is better than an analog stick.

 

[cybroxide]

I can't say I'd be too excited about the analog/pen combo for FPS games.
I had a lot of trouble playing Liberation Maiden since it required me to aim with the pen and move with the analog. Since I'm left-handed, holding a pen accurately with my right hand was terribly difficult. I ended up never getting past the first mission because it was so hard for me to control.
This limitation seems to be only with pen controls as I use mouse and keyboard fine in a right handed configuration.

 

[Nilaul]

but have thou seen 3dsfall?

Have you seen

Spoiler

attack on the

Titan?

 

[Mass Effect]

I think you may be in the minority with that opinion and I suspect that's why there aren't more FPS games. I couldn't stand using the stylus for them on the DS.

Ew the stylus for FPS games? #thumbstrap4life

 

[A Sentient Keyboard]

The people that are skeptical about the touchscreen controls haven't played Metroid Prime: Hunters, shit was super-precise. It controlled much more accurate than any other shooter I've played on a controller. Though yeah, hand cramp was an issue after extended play.

So yeah, I'd love a good FPS for the 3DS.

 

[PhaZZe]

is enough FPS in PC/PS3/PS4/XBOX360/XBONE
why people want FPS in 3DS

 

[Not Spaceghost]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the original metroid prime control scheme would adapt flawlessly on a 3DS.

 

[SmokedMeat]

The touchscreen is good for shooter games like these (better than a analog stick).

Oh, so you enjoy FPS on iOS then?

 

[frankie_baby]

They gave you crab claw. May be good games, but not good for the body.

Nothing (except for a mouse) that doesn't have a neutral position (touch screen included) is better than an analog stick.

wii remote>mouse>stylus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.analog stick

 

[PreyingShark]

Oh, so you enjoy FPS on iOS then?

No, because common sense says that he meant control stick to move + L-button to fire + touchscreen to aim as opposed to having to use the touchscreen for everything.

 

[pretty done]

Hanging out with the second analog stick.

 

[adamantypants]

Yeah... I still prefer two sticks if I feel like playing a shooter.

 

[frankie_baby]

Hanging out with the second analog stick.

on the shelf in stores then?

 

[Glass Rebel]

Oh, so you enjoy FPS on iOS then?

Not saying that stylus controls are good for FPS but the worst thing about FPS on iPhone is blocking like 90% of the screen with my hand.

 

[A Sentient Keyboard]

Oh, so you enjoy FPS on iOS then?

No, because an iPhone doesn't have a control stick/d-pad for movement nor buttons for actions.

 

[Chuckpebble]

Funny how a system can survive and thrive without that genre, huh?

 

[adamantypants]

on the shelf in stores then?

Zing. Double zing actually.

 

[Htown]

Oh, so you enjoy FPS on iOS then?

iOS doesn't have buttons for movement or action, and the touchscreen type is different.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Wrong, Killzone.
The only reason 3DS has no FPSes is because it doesn't have a second analog stick, plain and simple.

I keep forgetting that FPS didn't exist until sony invented the dual analog controller.

 

[Hale-XF11]

It's because Activision and EA are MIA.

Everyone else doesn't seem to bother with portable FPS games, at least not on Nintendo's handhelds.

Sucks, because I would eat them up.

 

[sixteen-bit]

probably waiting on a built-in 2nd analog

 

[Geedorah]

Oh, so you enjoy FPS on iOS then?

Touchscreen doesn't mean "touch-and-shoot-here", but more of a virtual stick type of control. It worked beautifully in Metroid Hunters - would day1 a 3DS sequel in a heartbeat. And I gotta agree with the OP, there aren't any real games like this on the 3DS, and I think that it's library would really benefit from a great exploration-based game that used this type of control scheme.

 

[Coconut]

Not getting made like they should be.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I used to not mind the touchscreen second stick setup, but my patience for that sort of thing is pretty low now.

I would like a Metroid Prime 3DS.

 

[FoneBone]

Third-party software market isn't great, and publishers just don't see the ROI for the genre.

 

[Lum1n3s]

If Nintendo brings this fine piece back THEN we can have FPS games for the 3DS.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Not saying that stylus controls are good for FPS but the worst thing about FPS on iPhone is blocking like 90% of the screen with my hand.

The thing that brings stylus controls down is that they completely kill the use of buttons because your hand is occupied holding a pen.

On Vita and Frankenstick I can aim, and have full use of all of the buttons. Gyroscope functions can aid in aiming so its no big deal. Button use means more actions to perform in a game, and not a dumbed down experience like Metroid Hunters where you have to double tap the screen to jump.

 

[Glass Rebel]

The thing that brings stylus controls down is that they completely kill the use of buttons because your hand is occupied holding a pen.

On Vita and Frankenstick I can aim, and have full use of all of the buttons. Gyroscope functions can aid in aiming so its no big deal. Button use means more actions to perform in a game, and not a dumbed down experience like Metroid Hunters where you have to double tap the screen to jump.

Oh, I agree with you! I'm just saying that one might prefer one terrible thing over the other FPS on 3DS could work with lock-on like the Prime games or a single analog scheme like GoldenEye and Perfect Dark.

 

[Prince Vultan]

Well, only "FPS" I can remember playing on DS was Metroid Prime and it was just appalling to play. Some of the worst controls I have ever encountered in a game... like ever.

3DS may have an analogue stick, but it only has one, and I can remember playing FPS titles on my PSP like that and the experience was... well... not pleasant to say the least.

On 3DS, when I try to imagine camera controls for 3D games, all I can think of is Kid Icarus... and that shit was just the worst. Poster child for why touch screens are the worst way to control a camera in a 3D title.

That second analogue add on might make FPS' playable on it though, but without a test case of some sort it's mere speculation at this point.

Forget that mess. Killzone eats its lunch.

Bro-fist.

Killzone Mercenary is really in a class all it's own on the handheld FPS front. Amazing game.

 

[Instro]

Its not a good genre for handhelds to begin with, and western devs don't make handheld games. The only one I can think of who will make an attempt would be renegade kid.

 

[jokkir]

The thing that brings stylus controls down is that they completely kill the use of buttons because your hand is occupied holding a pen.

On Vita and Frankenstick I can aim, and have full use of all of the buttons. Gyroscope functions can aid in aiming so its no big deal. Button use means more actions to perform in a game, and not a dumbed down experience like Metroid Hunters where you have to double tap the screen to jump.

Eh, double tapping on the screen to jump wasn't that bad. It was good during fire fights because you could aim right away. You could probably say the same thing of letting go of the right analog stick to press "A" to jump on a controller.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Oh, I agree with you! I'm just saying that one might prefer one terrible thing over the other FPS on 3DS could work with lock-on like the Prime games or a single analog scheme like GoldenEye and Perfect Dark.

I'd love a first person Metroid on my 3DS, but it would have to include support for the second stick attachment.
Button aiming absolutely sucks. Sure we did it on N64 and more recently with PSP, but it truly is awful.

 

[massoluk]

I think analog stick and face buttons should be more than efficient of a control scheme, we survived Goldeneyes with that. 3D FPS on a handheld could be kinda cool, novelty game.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Eh, double tapping on the screen to jump wasn't that bad. It was good during fire fights because you could aim right away. You could probably say the same thing of letting go of the right analog stick to press "A" to jump on a controller.

In a dual stick shooter, I could jump towards cover, switch weapons in mid air, crouch behind cover upon landing, and then pop up to fire off shots at an enemy.
You simply couldn't perform something like that with simple stylus controls. It'd be too much, and most certainly unreliable. Plus you'd have to take your eyes off the action to tap icons to switch weapons or perform a different action. I only ever played the demo of Hunters that came with my launch 3DS, but I'd wager the battles couldn't get as heated as a standard dual stick shooter, because the player would be too overwhelmed.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I'd love to see some FPS on 3DS though! Just support the frankenstick and we're good!

 

[d31m0s]

3DS should have the entire DOOM collection

and a good port of Quake 1,2,3.

DooM Classic Complete collection and Quake 1 with both expansions on a handheld my dreams would be fulfilled

 

[fabricated backlash]

Have you ever tried the thumb stylus that came with the DS phat? It's amazing for fps. I would consider it superior actually.

Same here. Accuracy and speed of the touch screen with the thumb stylus is amazing and shits all over dual analog (to be fair, almost everything is more precise than DA aiming anyway)

The biggest problem is ergonomics. Most players weren't able to cope with holding the DS that way.

Well, only "FPS" I can remember playing on DS was Metroid Prime and it was just appalling to play. Some of the worst controls I have ever encountered in a game... like ever.

3DS may have an analogue stick, but it only has one, and I can remember playing FPS titles on my PSP like that and the experience was... well... not pleasant to say the least.

On 3DS, when I try to imagine camera controls for 3D games, all I can think of is Kid Icarus... and that shit was just the worst. Poster child for why touch screens are the worst way to control a camera in a 3D title.

That second analogue add on might make FPS' playable on it though, but without a test case of some sort it's mere speculation at this point.



Bro-fist.

Killzone Mercenary is really in a class all it's own on the handheld FPS front. Amazing game.

Kid Icarus' shite controls had nothing to do with the touch screen, and everything with it's implementation. How anyone alive on this planet could think that introducing a dead zone on a touch screen as well as swiping to turn was a good idea is beyond me.

DS shooters were insanely more precise and faster to aim than anything on any DA setup.

It's frustrating to see that the shoddy ergonomics hinder an otherwise brilliant control scheme from being implemented more often.

 

[G-Fex]

DooM Classic Complete collection and Quake 1 with both expansions on a handheld my dreams would be fulfilled

I know right?

Til then I have them on my Gamepark 2X, SOOO GOOD.

 

[Penguin]

I assume no one wants to hire n-Space anymore?

They made a bunch of them on the DS

 

[Kyzon]

If Nintendo brings this fine piece back THEN we can have FPS games for the 3DS.

They still sell em. I got one last year.

 

[WillyFive]

It's impressive how many people feel that an analog stick is inferior to the DS FPS control scheme; considering how much faster and accurate it is. It's like using a mouse.

 

[Roto13]

Yeah, Jools, where's Cult County?

 

[Mihos]

It's impressive how many people feel that an analog stick is inferior to the DS FPS control scheme; considering how much faster and accurate it is. It's like using a mouse.

ugh, no... I feel like I am going to break something trying to juggle a stylus and a console that is already to small for my hands.

 

[frankie_baby]

I assume no one wants to hire n-Space anymore?

They made a bunch of them on the DS

n-space wanted to make modern warfare 3 on 3DS back in 2011, they got told to make it for DS instead

 

[gemoran4]

You guess there's Kid Icarus ? There's Kid Icarus ! One of the greatest shooter ever made (I'm not even going hyperbole here.)

is that game fun? sure. One of the greatest shooters? not even close