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Who Is The Most Powerful in MCU?
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Thor and Loki toe to toe in the MCU? Don't know if this even true if Loki has the Sceptre.
At least if i take Thor 1/2 and Avengers as measurement. Lokis skills/powers also seem more defensive/evasive than offensive. Don't see how he would survive a true 1on1.
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Yeah that is the right answer
BKatastrophe
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Maybe. I'm hoping Ragnarok will be a good movie. Thor needs a really good movie. The first and TDW had the trappings, but they dropped the ball on so much in both of them.
He probably would have been
It's probably also what kept him from being an interesting character, too.
Loki has always been a mastermind and never a fighter. He can fight. I mean, he's one of the Aesir, so he is powerful and capable, but he's always been a manipulator first. In both encounters with Thor, Loki lost because in the first one Loki attempted to actually battle Thor and he lost because of it. In the second, he bailed when he was losing. So no, Loki could never win a physical brawl. It's what makes the Thor/Loki dynamic work. Thor is the powerhouse and Loki is the mastermind.
That's because Cap's shield is made of vibranium. Vision's whole body is made of vibranium, so he's likely to win that by far.
DonasaurusRex
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no he isn't ...what the ? Wow Cap buffed compared to his comicbook counterpart? LOL
That is from a Goku and Vegata vs Superman and Silver Surfer debate
FaustsBoon
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Regarding the Cap suggestion... the only reason he can tank those hits is because of the in-universe-cited energy dispersion qualities. Even kinetic energy, in this continuity, seems to disperse on the shield efficiently enough that Cap takes those hits and doesn't turn to goo. 
Definitely not
The Artisan
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I don't think Loki had a scepter in the first fight with thor, it was some sort of staff but thor had his hammer. They were pretty evenly matched then thor came out on top. Seemed the same in the avengers.
Manmademan
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He's not. Ultimate and 616 are on the same level strength wise. People just underrate 616 Rogers because they don't know any better.
That "Captain America vs. Master Chief" thread was just gorgeous. Many fools were schooled that day
crimsonspider89
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Thor held back against Loki cause they are brothers. Like he held back against Tony due to how fragile Tony is.
Manmademan
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First, the MCU infinity gems are more versatile than the 616 ones. They're all massive power batteries in addition to whatever else they do. This is made obvious in first avenger when red skull makes a crapton of death laser batteries with the space gem, and whatever it was that happened in Thor2 with that mystery gem just confirms it.
Second, all this takes no thought. Stay a fan for as long as I have and Marvel grants you the Power Comic- surf the web forever, dropping endless amounts of trivia.
You reminded me of that time that kid found the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak and was using it to control electronics and power blasts and shit.
Cain just thought it was the way to sign the deal with Cyttorak.
Manmademan
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To be fair that was probably just an example of marvel making shit up because they could.
Remember how Onslaught stuck Cain IN the Gem and put it on his desk as a paperweight?Remember how that made no damn sense at all?
nothing with Onslaught made sense, like why did he come back 4 damn times.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
BKatastrophe
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Jack Remington
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Thor tried to straight up murder Steve Rogers in the first Avengers movie. Dude had no idea that the shield would block his hammer. That was attempted murder. All because Steve told him to chill out.
Yet, earlier in that same issue, The Living Tribunal put Adam Warlock in his place when Adam started throwing a tantrum.
Alright I need explaining what's going on?
Manmademan
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Its the aftermath of the infinity gauntlet storyline. Adam Warlock has it after Thanos lost it.
The marvel cosmic tier is assembled to hear Eternity's case that adam is not mentally stable enough to be running around with that thing, with the Tribunal as judge.
It's a lot of talking in that issue- adam warlock throws a tantrum about being told what to do, Tribunal shuts him down literally and in the verbal sense, demonstrating that he actually does outrank the gauntlet (or at least adam using it) if it came down to it.
Tribunal eventually bans the gems from working together. Doesn't strip them from Adam like Eternity wants but tells him to distribute them between some others as caretakers.
ThankYouDaletech
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I'm going to see Fantastic 4 on Friday...level with me, how bad is Doom in it? Is it at least going to be funny-bad?
Manmademan
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havent seen it, but everyone I know who has says it's "dull, boring, and pointless" bad, not "funny/awful" bad.
see literally anything else, it's not even worth a rental.
Hope you like Ben Grimm being a mass murderer!
Indeed - he literally states this in Thor 2.
"You should know that when we fought each other in the past, I did so with a glimmer of hope that my brother was still in there somewhere. That hope no longer exists to protect you. You betray me, and I will kill you."
Nice retcon there, Marvel.
Manmademan
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Kurse says no
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ThankYouDaletech
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Ugh. I'll try and talk the other person out of it. If not, maybe Doom will say "Accursed Richards" or something.
User 73706
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Samus still schools Cap any day, though. Wave Beam too OP.
I.. don't remember 616 Cap putting as much hurt into Hulk like Ultimate did. Plus Marvel dispensed with the 616 peak human thing and just called him Superhuman.
He doesn't.
Thinking about it I don't think Doom says Reed's name at any point in the movie.
Only person he calls by name is Sue.
Manmademan
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Oh sure. Totally different league. Iron Man though? Different story.
Manmademan
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Read the Cap vs Master Chief thread to find out why none of what you wrote is true.
Jack Remington
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I can't see any way Cap takes the Chief unless Cap gets the drop on him.
Manmademan
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Read the thread. It's pretty comprehensive. Chief takes the L more often than not.
User 73706
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I'm pretty sure Cap would job to one of these guys 100% of the time, though:
No amount of superhuman reflexes can prepare you for an instakill 360 noscope that would make aimbots shit themselves.
No amount of superhuman reflexes can prepare you for an instakill 360 noscope that would make aimbots shit themselves.
Manmademan
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I'm pretty sure Cap would job to one of these guys 100% of the time, though:
No amount of superhuman reflexes can prepare you for an instakill 360 noscope that would make aimbots shit themselves.
Snipers? Bullseye can hit a target IN THE EYE, galloping on horseback from 2 miles away with a rifle.
He can kill a woman from 100 yards away....with a toothpick.
He can't hit cap.
Here's a fun one. Cap uses his strength/agility to dodge out auto targeting lasers- in zero gravity.
I think he can take a Kig-Yar Sniper.
Jack Remington
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If Chief keeps the fight at long range, Chief wins.
In mid-range, Cap has some more options and can possibly eke out the win.
If they get into CQC range, Chief stomps. Stronger, more heavily armored, just as skilled going by series canon.
Iron Man would wreck Samus though. Her lack of flight ability would be the deciding factor, though if it's modern Iron Man she's just outclassed in every respect.
In mid-range, Cap has some more options and can possibly eke out the win.
If they get into CQC range, Chief stomps. Stronger, more heavily armored, just as skilled going by series canon.
Iron Man would wreck Samus though. Her lack of flight ability would be the deciding factor, though if it's modern Iron Man she's just outclassed in every respect.
Manmademan
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not really. As seen above cap has superhuman reflexes, fast enough to dodge bullets after they're fired. the farther away chief is, the harder it is to hit a target, especially one that can sustain a run at over 60mph and doesn't tire due to superhuman stamina.
Cap has used the shield to take out long range targets. There's a fun one where he uses a shield to shred an ICBM after it was fired.
Lol hell no. Cap is far, far, FAR more skilled. over 30 years of solid combat experience, and since Cap doesn't age, it's all in his physical and mental prime. Cap is a veteran of 3 intergalactic wars, and several interdimensional wars, and has fought everything from fish men to mutants, to demons. He mastered every fighting style that existed...back in 1942. He's even better now.
Cap's skill is enough that's he's taken out the hulk, namor, and thunderstrike in H2H combat. All three outclass master chief in the strength department, and the armor won't save him- the shield will shred right through any lesser metal, as well as null out energy fields entirely- and cap has a plasma shield integrated in his right glove as a backup. That one can ALSO be fired at targets as an offensive weapon and regenerates when used.
double edit: Cap also has one of these laying around in his closet, but that's kind of cheating:
Yes, that IS iron man getting his ass beat there.
BKatastrophe
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You could say that, but it's heavily implied that Thor didn't go all out, since he still believed that Loki was capable of saving. In The Avengers I believe he states to Loki, even after the portal was opened and the Chitauri were invading, to "stop this foolishness and come home." Then they proceeded to fight.
At some point in the movie that was stated, though I can't recall if that was the part. Either way it's implied in both films (Thor being the other) that Thor was holding back.
Manmademan
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also worth noting is that Thor has no problem killing things. He was going HAM on Frost Giants in Thor 1, but even after all of Loki's shit in avengers he puts him in cuffs to go sit in a cell in Asgard, instead of just cutting his head off or whatever.
Jack Remington
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That was such a shitty issue. Steve goes in with some Dark Knight Returns-tier scrap heap of an armor suit and is able to physically dismantle an IM suit several revisions beyond Extremis.
I love Hickman, but he does not write Iron Man well. Or Steve Rogers for that matter. He's given us the best Black Panther, Reed and Doom ever though. Probably the best Strange as well.
Re: Thor killing things. Let me reiterate that he tried to straight up murder Steve in the forest scene in Avengers 1. Which leads me to believe that he was going at Tony a little harder than some people want to admit. Dude opened with a cheap shot against IM. He was a complete dick in that scene. Without Thor knowing about the vibranium shield, there's no other interpretation of the scene other than that he was trying to turn Steve into goo.
I love Hickman, but he does not write Iron Man well. Or Steve Rogers for that matter. He's given us the best Black Panther, Reed and Doom ever though. Probably the best Strange as well.
Re: Thor killing things. Let me reiterate that he tried to straight up murder Steve in the forest scene in Avengers 1. Which leads me to believe that he was going at Tony a little harder than some people want to admit. Dude opened with a cheap shot against IM. He was a complete dick in that scene. Without Thor knowing about the vibranium shield, there's no other interpretation of the scene other than that he was trying to turn Steve into goo.
TheKaeptain
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about that...
Manmademan
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to be fair, I doubt it was that old. Rogers was pretty much head of SHIELD at that point with all of its resources. Tony's security system identified it as the current "war machine" armor, not an ancient unique suit so there's that too.
double edit: Tony was a fugitive during time runs out, and Steve as head of SHIELD was using a pack of war machines remote controlled by Rhodey to take him out. The implication that it's one of these things and not exclusively the 90s suit is pretty high.
all of this is possible.
yeah, there's a giant sized asterisk next to strange's name there. it was pretty much Doom + Molecule Men that were responsible for that one.
DonasaurusRex
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what the fuck? cap was like 40+ years old doing crazy shit humans cannot do without being in the hospital long before any marvel handbook or tcg used the terms superhuman or peak human. If a peak human attempted the shit cap does without flinching we'd be at their funeral or wheel chair christening. Cap in the 616 has fought hulk he can out fight him for a long time, but hulk don't get tired, after days Cap does.
Freshmaker
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Cap wears plot armor the hardest of any character ever.
Spiderman effortlessly shredded an IM suit. Tony's the worst measuring stick possible.
Spidey also fought Cap to a stalemate with is utter BS. Cap was completely outclassed in thht fight.
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