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Whose the biggest joke in the industry right now?

Whose the biggest joke in the industry right now?

  • Square Enix

    Votes: 37 7.5%
  • Ubisoft

    Votes: 75 15.3%
  • Blizzard

    Votes: 82 16.7%
  • Microsoft

    Votes: 297 60.5%

  • Total voters
    491
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Wasnt Square Enix expecting to make ten hundred billion dollars from each of their games.......then got shook those game didnt make ten hundred billion and called them internal failures for not meeting expectations....even if some of them were successful by most people metrics.

Please note that one of those games was Babylons Fall......really showing off the power of the PS5.

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They then went on to sell Crystal Dynamics and Eidos with all their IPs for pocket change.


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After a bad year, obviously they have a brilliant plan to get right back in the game......their brilliant plan?........get this, to heavily invest in BlockChain, NFT and web3 technologies.

We already have Final Fantasy VII NFT Trading cards......i dont know how they are doing, but I can all but guarantee they will be worthless in a moment.

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You know how you DONT like web3(NFT) games and also DONT like Epic Games Store......or adding any more unnecessary Game Launchers to your PC for that matter.
Well our pals at Square Enix have decided they will partner with Elixir a Game Launcher that puts web3 Games and Epic Game Store games all in one glorious shithole for you to marvel at.

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Im looking forward to Final Fantasy......but god damn the SquareEnix execs.
 
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Another discussion to hate Microsoft/Xbox, if Gaf is good at one thing it's that.
When all you have to do is repost Phil Spencer's quotes word for word with no other commentary, it becomes difficult to blame it on anyone other than him and the company he leads.
 
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If you're on record saying that last gen was the worst gen possible to lose, and the sales of your current gen console are tracking below that admitted debacle...
 
If you're on record saying that last gen was the worst gen possible to lose, and the sales of your current gen console are tracking below that admitted debacle...
Atleast you arent doubling....no tripling down on NFT games, right when the NFT craze has fizzled out and gamers are adamantly against NFTs.
 
MS without a doubt, cant run their own studios, but buying out more and more, trying to monopolise, running ip's into the ground, constantly throwing shade at Sony/Nintendo, whinging about their lot, constant overhyping and overpromising while underdelivering. Yeah MS are the biggest joke right now.
 
What MS said sounds bad in a gamer's point of view, but I think it would look worse to say they can beat sony.
They probably have something up their sleeve and sony doesn't like it one bit, but plays the "low card" until its time.

Nintendo lost over a decade ago, but somehow is written off as "doing their own thing" whatever that means.
By this logic, all 3 are "doing their own thing" because they all seem to be doing things differently. 🤷‍♂️

Nintendo is all about indie games, and handheld image and performance quality.
Sony is about being enclosed and keeping games off other platforms.
Microsoft is about reaching out to more players and giving a wider array of options.
 
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Microsoft. They've easily got the most resources at their disposal and have poured $100s of millions of dollars into their studios with little to show for it.

I hope this changes but I have my doubts.
 
MS without a doubt, cant run their own studios, but buying out more and more, trying to monopolise, running ip's into the ground, constantly throwing shade at Sony/Nintendo, whinging about their lot, constant overhyping and overpromising while underdelivering. Yeah MS are the biggest joke right now.
You didn't like, "these companies are making deals to make it impossible for Xbox to compete" comment?
 
Right now it's MS's Xbox division.
It absolutely doesn't get any worse than your CEO publicly throwing the towel.
Square and UBI are in seriously deep trouble right now, but at least they pretend to be optimistic.
 
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Microsoft. Years of delays, questionable releases and cancellations.. Then that interview with Phil Spencer saying they've largely given up trying to be a proper competitor. And not even brillant games can sell consoles, apparently.

Just get some competent management over there for fuck sakes.
 
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I'd throw Bioware into the mix even though they aren't on the poll. Microsoft certainly has its issues. And I'm an Xbox fan.
 
Real simple

It's the company who wants to buy themselves into relevance. The one who can't create and foster talented studios. The one who took one(some) of the biggest IPs and made them forgettable.
 
I agree. Been gaming for over 25 years and this is the worst state ive ever seen the big games business in. Thank god for indies

Hardware is better than ever, software that makes use of that hardware without major fuck ups is more rare than ever.

Meanwhile the biggest software king doesn't bother with hardware like at all. So we are like screwed.
 
Real simple

It's the company who wants to buy themselves into relevance. The one who can't create and foster talented studios. The one who took one(some) of the biggest IPs and made them forgettable.
Not the one thats 90% a videogame company which is investing in Blockchain and NFTs just as NFTs are getting out of fashion......that same company has also partnered with a PC Game launcher thats tied to Epic Game Store and web3 games?
 
I voted Square Enix but I don't think any of them is a joke. That's a harsh way of looking at it.
 
Square are in seriously deep trouble right now, but at least they pretend to be optimistic.
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Some types of optimistic arent good.....near literally every NFT collection starts off with optimistic creators.....near literally every one of them ends up failing or being rugpulls......the question is whether Square Enix will fail or will pull the rug from under everyone dumb enough to invest in their NFT projects.

The NFT train already left the station......and crashed.
 
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Square is awesome and doesn't belong with the other three

Each of the other three still has at least one game I'm looking forward to coming out (Diablo 4, Starfield, Mirage) so I won't write any of them off yet
 
Not the one thats 90% a videogame company which is investing in Blockchain and NFTs just as NFTs are getting out of fashion......that same company has also partnered with a PC Game launcher thats tied to Epic Game Store and web3 games?
You can also add; selling some of the biggest and well known IP's plus studio's, in the industry.. for a paultry $300M :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Square is awesome and doesn't belong with the other three
I'm not sure how SE is even an option. What have they done that's so embarrassing?






And in case you were wondering how their NFT game SymbioGensis is going:



Imagine you sell shit to people and your customers are still asking .......so what now?
 
If NFT's are the reason SE is on the list, you guys are just conditioned to have this immediate knee jerk response.

I think NFT's are as dumb as everyone else. But offering them hasn't changed the actual output of games from SE in recent years at all, and certainly isn't enough to take them from a great dev/publisher to "biggest joke in the industry." We've been eating extremely well from SE, and their immediate release window looks fantastic as well. Takes a lot more than a single dumb announcement to undo years of goodwill.
 
All these companies are in some form of dissaray right now, so whose the biggest joke? Is it Ubisoft who haven't released a new multi-platform console game in over a year, Microsoft who cant get triple a games out, and when they do they are unfinished? Square who just released multiple financial Bombs, or blizzard who lied about what overwatch 2 was going to be, lied about warcraft 3 remaster, and turned diablo into a #metoo live service?

The biggest joke in the industry is the people continuously looking for developers to mock.

Incidentally, it's funny to see how many people here are still completely (either out of ignorance or malice) misrepresenting and distorting what Phil Spencer said. At times you make me wonder about your ability to look at things beyond the clickbait headlines taken out of context by console warriors and bad websites. It's always disappointing to see,
 
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And in case you were wondering how their NFT game SymbioGensis is going:



Imagine you sell shit to people and your customers are still asking .......so what now?

I mean do as many NFT scams as you want, but they put out loads of awesome games on a near monthly basis and are the only publisher meaningfully investing in the AA space.
 
Personal biases for/against Execs aside, there's really no denying Xbox Series X hasn't had a noteworthy 1st party line up this generation.

Sony came in prepared, that much is obvious. MS didn't enter this generation as prepared; they've had to apologize multiple times already to the fans.

June 11th they HAVE to show up ready to blow minds and get us excited, Ive look at my Series X and smdh for several months now
 
MS can miss me with that "we can't make good games to compete so let's take away as many as we can from our competitors" BS.

I don't see how anyone is OK with this level of thinking and "competition".
 
After todays news i almost said blizzard, they were showing promise and then the news of them taking PvE out of OW2 killed them again.

their saving grace right now is diablo and im still skeptical it'll live up to expectations

sorry MS
 
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Incidentally, it's funny to see how many people here are still completely (either out of ignorance or malice) misrepresenting and distorting what Phil Spencer said.
"We're not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it's just the truth of the matter. When you're third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and, in certain cases, have very discrete focus on doing deals and other things make being on Xbox hard as a team - that's on us, not on anybody else - our vision is that everybody that's on console has to feel like they have a great experience and they're a first class citizen. They've invested a ton in our platform. But we're not in a position - and I see out there, I see commentary, that if you just build great games everything would turn around. It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you're going to see console shares shift in some dramatic way."

That's all Phil Spencer's own words.

In what way do you believe the quote is being misinterpreted or distorted?
 
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"We're not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it's just the truth of the matter. When you're third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and, in certain cases, have very discrete focus on doing deals and other things make being on Xbox hard as a team - that's on us, not on anybody else - our vision is that everybody that's on console has to feel like they have a great experience and they're a first class citizen. They've invested a ton in our platform. But we're not in a position - and I see out there, I see commentary, that if you just build great games everything would turn around. It's just not true that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you're going to see console shares shift in some dramatic way."

That's all Phil Spencer's own words.

In what way do you believe the quote is being misinterpreted or distorted?

That's a very small part of the discourse taken out of context. The articles quoting only that part you pasted out of context are intentionally presenting a misleading view of what Spencer said for clicks.

Below is a more complete version which helps, but one has to listen to the whole interview to fully grasp the context. Spencer spent half an hour talking about how they need to make great games, show gameplay, and provide high quality from the get-go before getting to this part.

"We'll definitely continue to focus on making our console experience as great as it can be. [...] I will say, and this may be disruptive as well... We have a different vision: play the games you want with the people you want, anywhere you want. We want Xbox to be something people who buy our consoles feel like they're full members of our ecosystem. Games Pass Players can play on many different devices and we remain fully committed to that.

We're not in the business of outconsoling Sony of outconsoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us. And I know that will upset a ton of people, but just the truth of the matter is that when you're third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and in certain cases have a very discreet focus on doing deals and other things that will make being Xbox hard for as as a team - that's on us, not on anybody else.

Our vision is that anybody who is on console has to have a great experience and they're first-class citizens, they've invested a ton in our platform, but we're not in a position... And I see out there commentary that if you just build great games, everything will turn around. It's just not trust that if we go off and build great games, all of the sudden you'll see console share shift in some dramatic way.

We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games. So when you go and you're building on Xbox, we want our Xbox community to feel awesome, but this idea that if we just focus more on great games on our console, we're somehow going to win the console race, and it doesn't really lend to the reality of most people.

90% of the people every year who walk into a retailer to buy a console, are already a member of one of the three ecosystems and their digital library is there. This is the first generation where the big games that they play were games that were available last gen like Fortnite, Roblox, and Minecraft. The continuity from generation to generation is so strong...

I see a lot of pundits out there who kind of want to go back to the times when we had cartdrige and disks and every new generation was a clean slate, and you could switch the whole console share. That's not the world that we're in today. There is no world in which Starfield is an 11 out of 10 and people start selling their PS5. That's not going to happen.

So what we have to do, and we have this unique vision because we see what creators want... Creators want to build games that can meet players on any screen. People play with their friends regardless of what other screen they're on, and the console is the core of the Xbox brand. There's no doubt. So we'll stay focused to make sure that the console experience is awesome, but I know some people just want us to be a better green version of what the blue guys do, and I'm just going to say that there's not a win for Xbox in staying in the wake of somebody else. We have to go off and do out own thing with Game Pass, with the staff we do with Xcloud, and the way we build our games."

In no shape or form Spencer "admitted defeat" or said that they're not going to aim to make great games or crap like that. He explained that Microsoft starts from a position of a radical disadvantage because of the Xbox One generation, and they can't catch up JUST by making great games. If they do that and their competition keeps doing that as well, the status quo does not change in any big way.

The only way simply making great games would work on its own is if Sony and Nintendo stopped making great games allowing Microsoft to catch up (which isn't going to happen), or if there was a generational reset like there used to be in the past. Nowadays, with backward compatibility, long-running games as a service, and a lot more focus on the network from all sides, that simply doesn't happen anymore.

What Spencer means is that they can't simply do what Sony does and call it a day(just making great games and focusing all on consoles), but they have to do stuff that's disruptive to the market like Game Pass, Cloud, PC, and such, ON TOP of making great games and focusing on consoles. Because simply staying in Sony's wake and doing what Sony does isn't going to change a thing in terms of console market share.

And he's 100% right. The whole interview expresses the fact that Microsoft needs to improve a number of things across the board, from the quality of the games, to transparency, to pursuing its own vision that can shake up the market. Without listening to the whole thing or at least understanding what has been said before that snippet, you get a 100% misleading version of what Spencer said, and whoever made articles focusing exclusively on that snippet you cited is a hack. Plain and simple.
 
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