They don't teach that in schools...like ever.
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Why are black people over represented in the NFL?
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They don't teach that in schools...like ever.
Devolution
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Well I learned it from my Women's History in America class in college then or something.
CriginsMcJuggs
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.Why are black people underrepresented in baseball?The best player in the last 50 years is black, we need more of it.
It was a general statement about how people are walking on eggshells about racism, dude.
Byakuya769
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PhoenixDark
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You watched the greatness of Alex Smtih, and all you and your brother could talk about was the blacks?
Devolution
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Economics. Basketball and Football are easier to get into in poor communities.
Soccer?
that sounds about right. you rarely ever heard about the even more horrifying stuff from the slavery period in any level of school (unless your teacher didn't give a fuck and taught it anyways, like they should).
They were bred for football and basketball only. You see, they needed tall slaves to pick apples and those who weren't tall enough would hit the trees, with wooden shoulder pads on, and shake all the apples off the tree.
Devolution
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Never really took off in America.
Actually they did research to find that the people from those countries who dominate tend to come from specific regions, and when compared to the rest of their countrymen, there was no correlation. Meaning their fellow Kenyans and Ethiopians still sucked at running, it was just those people from certain regions who had a long tradition of long distance running on their native plains.
However they did also do a generic study on Jamaicans and African Americans and found a small average boost in short range speed..
Well.. I Don't think we had any dog in that fight, but I'd imagine the people that bought slaves were interested in increasing xp.
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Sports is culture.
in some cultures and sub-cultures, people play certain sports more than others for many reasons(economic, childhood access to sport..etc.).
in some cultures and sub-cultures, people play certain sports more than others for many reasons(economic, childhood access to sport..etc.).
So genetics, because those runners were the most successful in those regions.
Here in the states? And even then in the poorer inner-cities/ghettos? Not happening. Basketball & Football are WAY more prevalent.
ThoseDeafMutes
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He means that the percentage of players who are "black" is higher than the percentage of the general population that are. OP wants to know what causes this.
Well it depends. If you're a Breton you get magic resistance but Nords get cold resistance.
While this is possible, I would want to see statistics to back this up. In particular you would compare sample populations of "black people" from America to ones from various regions in Africa and abroad. Additionally you could compare populations of people who descended from slaves vs ones who were not and emigrated to America post-abolition.
So it isn't in the top five sports in America? or one of the most participated sports amongst youngsters?
Because, growing up in a black community in America the main role models are black altheletes. When young black kids aspire to be great at something it is much more often basketball or football. While, I don't have experience growing up in any other environments I'm assuming that they have more role models in other places and many children aspire to be other things; like a doctor or lawyer. The amount of young black kids who actually dream of becoming a doctor is ridiculously low when compared to a basketball or football player. The more they practice when they are younger, the better they are when they grow up.
Devolution
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_breeding_in_the_United_States
I don't have more studies and such to give right now but that talks a bit about it.
No. Nobody likes that crappy game and I wish they'd keep it off my tv.
However I loved playing soccer as a child.
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Hockey
NASCAR
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Soccer.
Hamilton is mixed race, but more importantly he is British; in this thread, we are talking about the American slave trade as an argument for the mass participation of black people in modern American sport.
IrishNinja
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i'm not sure if all the eggshells is just the general fear of racism, or the inevitable banhammer when someone drops some stupid in here. it's gonna happen by page 2.
ive heard this before, but in an evolutionary sense, wasnt slavery far too short a period for the genetic change some of you are implying ("extra leg muscles" etc)?
shame, that.
ive heard this before, but in an evolutionary sense, wasnt slavery far too short a period for the genetic change some of you are implying ("extra leg muscles" etc)?
shame, that.
I'm not sure slavery or hard labor are things that have exclusively befallen blacks.
It's only the answer for people who know jack shit about genetics.
A few hundred years is no where close to enough time for any serious genetic change to occur. Even with purely selective breeding it often takes many dozens of generations to get to a point where the selected attributes really show up in any higher percentage of the population, and given all the examples of slave masters fathering huge numbers of illegitimate children with their female slaves, I don't think there is reason to believe that any sort of widespread eugenics program is the cause of this.
All that said we know there are measurable physical advantages certain genetic groups have over others on average. Most notably limb length, which is substantially longer on average in certain african populations.
Also there may be a very important socioeconomic/cultural impact, where more educated well off parents discourage their children from putting in the massive amounts of time required to become elite at a sport, while poorer parents might encourage it.
BravesCountry
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This answer you gave is assuming people who offered the slavery example as idiotic, but do you really believe that? would you deny that the Spartans were able to breed a population of warriors by weeding out the weak? Also I know this is a sensitive subject but the theory completely ignores race, because the same thing would have happened to white people or anyone else if they were the ones who were slaves.
Fast twitch fibres are an actual thing dude. And black people have more of them.
CriginsMcJuggs
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I played soccer for three years and never scored a goal. I decided soccer was a shitty sport.
BravesCountry
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If this is true then I stand corrected, and I would bet you know a lot more about it than I do since you seem pretty educated on the subject.
LQX
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Name two...
ThoseDeafMutes
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Having scanned the article it doesn't talk any statistics at all. It's just saying that it took place (which was not doubted to begin with). How effective was it? Is it responsible for all differences we see, or just some? Are there differences to begin with, or is the relative proportion of successful athletes actually attributable to non-genetic factors?
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Devolution
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I didn't deny that blacks might have already had genetic advantages but if they're purposely breeding faster and stronger workers, why wouldn't that have an affect as well. It's a sensitive subject but they do the same with livestock. Got a bull or horse you know has good genes, he's knocking a significant portion of your livestock up.
Never got that specific honestly. It was mostly just a topic in class about how black women were essentially brood mares and rape victims during slavery.
Never got that specific honestly. It was mostly just a topic in class about how black women were essentially brood mares and rape victims during slavery.
You're never going to find these records as they weren't kept. Slaves weren't people. They had no identification or records. We are talking about the time period a little after "america" was discovered, when the spanish/english/portuguese all brought slaves to this country to keep up with the demand of goods in the old country. No one cared to document what tribe his new pack of sugar cane slaying slaves was from.
Its nothing to brag about, but the information is all pretty clear cut.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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...Livestock breed a lot faster than slaves...I hope I don't get banned.
Your argument is fundamentally flawed because if it is solely on a genetic level, you would see the advantage across all American sports. And you do not see that.
You then talked about popularity, and poverty, both of which are undermined by soccer.
I don't think the answer is solely genetics. I think it is unique to the sports in question and the answer will be found in studying the history of the sport.
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They good. I been watching a bit of it in Aus since there's no contact sport on, thought the black dude with awesome dreads was super awesome.... but everyone has awesome dreads on all the teams.
Devolution
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Gestation for a cow is 285 days. Horse is 343. That's longer than a woman.
Kids in the inner cities in America are not playing soccer. Why do you think this undermines anything?
Their method was that of any other farmer. Strong good black workers were forcibly mated to produce a ton of children hoping to capture the characteristics of their parents. Weak or bad workers were killed or weren't allowed to reproduce.
Of course we will never know with certainty how successful these slave owners were, but they did it for hundreds of years and were making black girls pump out babies almost immediately after puberty so they had pretty short generation times.
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