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Why do men keep putting me in the Girlfriend-zone?

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It is the perfect solution. And if this girl cared about the guy as much as she says she does, unless he's completely hopeless (and even then) she should do this:

help him get a girlfriend that isn't you. *bam* I know you have ladyfriends looking to get hooked up. Throw one on top of this hungry wolf and turn him into a p-whipped puppy dog. That's how they did it in the old days.
 
That depends on the dude not being a simping nice guy who's actually worth setting up with friends. From what I've seen about the sort of guys who believe in an actual friendzone, no.
 
Please tell me this post isn't serious. A Darkseid clone? What.

Ok that might just be my interpretation of the previous events...

But seriously, Drake is lame and fake. They gutted the character and just made him 'junior schemer Robin'.
 
Oh boy, here we go. You all better read this whole post; my fingers are getting tired.

I... ... I completely disagree. 100%.

It is perfectly fine to feel one way about someone, and then grow to feel a different way about them.

Heck - take the girl/guy "date" thing out of it, and it's still true. There were kids I hated in elementary school that I grew to be friends with. I had friends early in college that I can't freaking stand now.

People change. Thus, feelings can change.

Hell - look at the divorce rate.

Okay, friends that you start to like over a really long period of time - like a decade or two - are another can of worms entirely. I've made friend relaunches work, but boy it takes a lot of effort and that's even without sex.

But these other traits that people change quicker than that: I'm not sure. I guess I don't trust people can change that quickly for the core elements of someone, which is what I assess when I'm looking at relationship material. It can happen, sure, but it's complicated and there's other people out there.

Clearly hardcastlemccormick is Martian. That explains how he would know everything about any female he wound up in a friendly relationship with to the point of knowing that they would make for excellent romantic partners before word one and how he would not understand feelings developing as you come to know more about a person. As we all know Martians are telepaths who walk around with their minds open to other Martians at all times.

Seriously though "Changing your mind is not natural" is the most ridiculous of statements. I get what you were shooting for, I don't disagree entirely, but you missed the mark by about 2 country miles.

Of course you're not sure if they're going to make good romantic partners. That's what dating is for. You find out. You have to be open and looking. And of course you have a window in between meeting someone and asking them out (I hate cold asking out, personally), like a few weeks or so, which should be enough to get a taste.

Here's how I do it: Meet a girl. I come to the conclusion, after a few hours/days/weeks, that I like her. Flirt. She flirts back. I ask her out on a date. She accepts. We get to know each other better. Things go well. [Insert x amounts of dates until I have a good picture] I ask her on a more serious date involving my place. Heavier physical contact. Kiss. Making out. [insert x amount of dates that may be zero] Sex. More dates, more sex, relationship.

At any point I can bail out of the above steps. Then again, I'm not looking for someone that has to sync up with me perfectly. A don't need another Martian; maybe a Venusian or someone from the asteroid belt, I'm not picky.

That's exactly how people get into relationships with the same type of bad people. They set themselves on the same type of person because "that's what they like," and without experience there, how would they honestly know? Especially since no one's psychic - you don't know exactly what sort of person they are the moment you meet them. And what do you really have to go on? Don't judge a book by its cover applies. Feelings change all the time. Especially in a situation where you're hanging out with someone for a prolonged period of time.

EDIT: Pre-empted twice.

Metaphor time! Meeting a girl is like watching a teaser trailer for a movie. You've got a name and a synopsis, with a nice little "ooh that's nifty" feeling on top. This should be enough to at least allow you to decide if you'll watch the trailer, which is like a date. A longer look at someone. A good idea of what to expect. A relationship is going to see the actual movie.

Yes, you have to make judgments. Yes, you can be wrong; the trailer could be way better than the film. This is why you do all of this early and bail out if it turns out to read her wrong. You also give pretty much everybody the benefit of the doubt, because naturally some people are bad at communicating, but honestly I very much value open and decent communication in a relationship anyway. So.

Yeah, it takes a lot of damn work to find somebody, and it's hard work. But it does pay off.
 
I wouldn't mind more female friends.They are more fun and have interesting outlooks. Most of my guy friends are dramatic. The few female friends I do have, actually have a screw lose some where. One of them told me the other day that she would have something to look forward to if one of her guy friends. that she liked, got her pregnant.


I'm currently taking applications. There is a $5 processing fee though.
 
It makes me want to list everything about me that should be a turnoff. "Did you know I get over emotional about tv shows and then get super obsessed? You should know that."

It puts me so on edge that the moment they really get to know me intimately they'll be immediately turned off. It's why I tend to be more upfront with my personality flaws nowadays. My friends haven't left me yet so I guess it's not that bad.
 
Also the undercurrent in these threads that people are entitled to a girlfriend or entitled to everything going their way is so tired.
 
Just a reminder: no one is entitled to a mate.

If you do not go after what you want despite the risk of failure, you deserve what you get.

Also, I thought GAF was mostly against forced tutorials.
 
I feel this way about most guys who've liked me. It's like "Why do you like me? I'm a fucking terrible person. Do you even know me?"

I have low self-esteem, but only about my skills/talents. So if someone likes me I don't question it because "I really like me, so of course you like me!"

*swears she is not self-absorbed*
 
When a guy is friends with a girl and then asks her out, does she confirm that he felt this way from the beginning before accusing him of pretending to be friends? I want to know how many times has it been confirmed before the accusation came out. I hear a lot of posting that just assumes he felt that way from the beginning.
 
It puts me so on edge that the moment they really get to know me intimately they'll be immediately turned off. It's why I tend to be more upfront with my personality flaws nowadays. My friends haven't left me yet so I guess it's not that bad.

Yeah I try to be upfront too. I tend to not dump my more major issues since most people would just be like 'er...yeah no...' since I tend to have bouts of depression and the like, but yeah. I try to find friends in the nerdier circles since they would understand and maybe even embrace my oddness more than any other.
 
Why is this inherently frustrating and one-sided for women? Because all women have options, but not all men do.

Two scenarios.

You have no romantic prospects in your life, and you "befriend" an attractive girl because you have no confidence in your ability to succeed straight up. Having some of the trappings of being with a girlfriend, in doing things together and enjoying each other's company, you develop a strong emotional attachment and eventually explode in frustration and longing, putting an awkward slant on the whole arrangement since you bypassed the "are you actually interested in me romantically?" pass/fail check, with the friendship now being on the line as you finally return to it. She already has people who are both courageous enough to be willing to put themselves out there and also pass the attraction check without friendship blackmail. You're not that.

Or, you have options. You're seeing other women. You don't become obsessed and explode in emotional and sexual frustration, because nothing going on between the two of you doesn't mean there's nothing going on at all. You don't need sexual intimacy from your platonic friends, attractive or otherwise, and you don't fall in delusional needy romcom love with any girl willing to hang out with you.

Men are simple creatures. We want to sleep with attractive people, and we want relationships with people from that pool who we enjoy the company of. There's nothing wrong with being true to yourself. Don't complicate things with this disingenuous trojan horse faux friendship bullshit. Express interest if you're interested, and go from there. Can be friends if you're not interested, or if you both are and things don't work out but it stays amiable, or if she's not down but you don't take it as soul crushing bridge jumping failure and just go fuck someone else instead while still seeing value in their platonic company.

Evilore, I...I love you. I didn't realize this until you posted this post, but I really, really do.

Do you think you could show me into the secret mod forum section and we could, yennow...uhm...
 
Metaphor time! Meeting a girl is like watching a teaser trailer for a movie. You've got a name and a synopsis, with a nice little "ooh that's nifty" feeling on top. This should be enough to at least allow you to decide if you'll watch the trailer, which is like a date. A longer look at someone. A good idea of what to expect. A relationship is going to see the actual movie.

Yes, you have to make judgments. Yes, you can be wrong; the trailer could be way better than the film. This is why you do all of this early and bail out if it turns out to read her wrong. You also give pretty much everybody the benefit of the doubt, because naturally some people are bad at communicating, but honestly I very much value open and decent communication in a relationship anyway. So.

The problem is that you only go one way with this. What if you don't like the trailer? What if you end up seeing the movie later because the trailer was alright, and the movie ends up blowing your mind? That's what I'm saying.
 
But women are entitled to the continuing friendship of men whose romantic advances have been rejected?
hahahaha WHAT.

The word "friendzone" itself implies that the woman is yours but she chooses to put you in a zone where you can't have her. She apparently doesn't have her own opinions and ability to act in the way she desires without her totally normal behavior having a negative term for it. The entitlement starts there.
 
I don't feel like it's out of bounds for a guy who gets rejected to prefer discontinuing the friendshi, provided that he doesn't have an asshole-ish, entitled attitude about it. Sometimes you would just rather not deal with the constant reminder of rejection, and that doesn't say anything about the guy's character, even if the situation is unfortunate.
 
Nothing was said about guys trying to trick her into sex by becoming friends, for all you know these guys wanted to start relationships with her.

You specifically said "Fuck" IIRC, relationships aren't all about fucking.

Maybe its a language barrier, but fucking doesn't mean just having sex all the time and doing nothing else. Especially when you consider the fact that having a fake-friendship, is literally, a relationship. I say it must be language because some folks didn't have an issue when responding, and didn't assume that fucking means only that, and that some how the former fake friendship disappears in a sea of sheets.
 
This kind of reminds me of that saying where people saying everyone is entitled to their opinion. Is that really true though? Some opinions are pretty bad.

Is anyone entitled to anything really?
 
But women are entitled to the continuing friendship of men whose romantic advances have been rejected?

No one is entitled to anything. But consider this: I had a friend, someone I considered my best friend, who I hung out with all the time, and suddenly he's asking me out. Then when I tell him I am not interested in him in that way, because I love him as a friend, he suddenly breaks off all contact. I would be devastated. I just lost my best friend, who was apparently only friends with me because he wanted to get into my pants.
 
But women are entitled to the continuing friendship of men whose romantic advances have been rejected?

Nope. But it's sad if they go. Just like it's sad if you're interested in someone and they don't feel the same back.

If, however, these experiences make you bitter and angry for the rest of your life, well... maybe you should work on that.

I bet your french fries were disgusting.

My french fries were perfect. And you don't even get one.
 
hahahaha WHAT.

The word "friendzone" itself implies that the woman is yours but she chooses to put you in a zone where you can't have her. She apparently doesn't have her own opinions and ability to act in the way she desires without her totally normal behavior having a negative term for it. The entitlement starts there.

hrm. I'm not sure it implies all that. It does imply that she has you in the zone where she keeps her friends and therefore wouldn't enjoy any advances or romantic attention from you.
 
I have low self-esteem, but only about my skills/talents. So if someone likes me I don't question it because "I really like me, so of course you like me!"

*swears she is not self-absorbed*

I know I'm awesome, but for some reason that's not an opinion shared by everyone.
Guess I'm just too awesome to comprehend!
 
This kind of reminds me of that saying where people saying everyone is entitled to their opinion. Is that really true though? Some opinions are pretty bad.

Is anyone entitled to anything really?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Not every opinion is worthy of respect or equal consideration.
 
and be a man about the rejection if she's not into you.

Yeah. Because "real men" don't feel emotions.

I don't think it's impossible for a person (male or female) to start out a relationship by buddy-ing up to the other person to gauge an interest. And sometimes that interest isn't returned and that's the end of the relationship for that person. That's not so despicable.

And since when was being awkward around someone who turned you down a character flaw?

Meh, sounds like idiocy on both sides to me. Socially inept girl who can't communicate her desire to have a platonic friend.

Because putting yourself in any situation that could be perceived as being more than platonic, watching a movie together, spending time alone together, that's social ineptitude now. You have to practically scream "I don't want to date you", and hope things don't get weird. Yeah, that sounds socially normal.
 
hahahaha WHAT.

The word "friendzone" itself implies that the woman is yours but she chooses to put you in a zone where you can't have her. The entitlement starts there.

Who's talking about 'friendzones'? I totally agree that men who complain about that are pathetic and are not entitled to anything.

No one is entitled to anything. But consider this: I had a friend, someone I considered my best friend, who I hung out with all the time, and suddenly he's asking me out. Then when I tell him I am not interested in him in that way, because I love him as a friend, he suddenly breaks off all contact. I would be devastated. I just lost my best friend, who was apparently only friends with me because he wanted to get into my pants.

It's not easy for anyone. But ultimately, if somebody doesn't want to be your friend/girlfriend/casual aquaintence/whatever, it's their choice. You're not obligated to any of those things.
 
I have had way more online friendships than real life ones fall into every week or more the guy saying 'Why can't I find a girl like you?' and gets awkward :/ I feel like though if those same people knew me in real life, they wouldn't be so 'attracted'. The internet tends to make everything more rose colored.

The internet helps socially inept people to stablish relationships that would be impossible for them to do face to face. Hence the big amount of males looking for girlfriends on the web. Then again, at least they were honest with you, I guess.
 
Yeah. Because "real men" don't feel emotions.

I don't think it's impossible for a person (male or female) to start out a relationship by buddy-ing up to the other person to gauge an interest. And sometimes that interest isn't returned and that's the end of the relationship for that person. That's not so despicable.

And since when was being awkward around someone who turned you down a character flaw?

Around the same time you equated being a man with not feeling emotions.
 
But women are entitled to the continuing friendship of men whose romantic advances have been rejected?

No one's entitled to anything but these threads all hit the same note.

Women should reject men based on how I feel, not the reality of their situation.
Women shouldn't put their hand over their glass it makes me feel like a rapist.
Women should let men know how they feel right at the start of a friendship about whether they would date the guy or not.
Women should do this, women should do that.

Build a robot or something. We're fucking people with different interests, different modes of dealing with stuff and trying to get through the day with as little grief as possible. The sheer lack or refusal to see stuff from our perspective and lump us into one entity like the borg is just a constant theme lately or since I've been here really.
 
No one is entitled to anything. But consider this: I had a friend, someone I considered my best friend, who I hung out with all the time, and suddenly he's asking me out. Then when I tell him I am not interested in him in that way, because I love him as a friend, he suddenly breaks off all contact. I would be devastated. I just lost my best friend, who was apparently only friends with me because he wanted to get into my pants.

If he's not getting what he wants out of the relationship, then why should he feel obligated to stick around?
 
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