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Why do people hate Splinter Cell:Conviction so much?

Mondai

Mondai

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I've played every Splinter Cell game and while Conviction is pretty much an action game through and through and a big departure from previous titles , it is still a very enjoyable game that gets alot of undeserved hate. I mean its not like its Resi 6 bad or anything, I like action hero/no fucks given Sam.
 
You thought this was a good idea just because someone made the same thread on resetera?

Its a false narrative.

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction Reviews - Metacritic

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. You are a fugitive, ruthlessly hunted by the very government you used to serve. Your only choice is to improvise to survive. Experience original gameplay based on improvisation in which your environment is your top weapon. Always on your toes, you need to react on the...
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Enjoyed the story and the portayal of Sam but found the gameplay to be too much of a departure.

Then theres how much different it turned out compared to the original concept. I was excited for it tbh.






This ones 30min.
 
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Sosokrates said:
You thought this was a good idea just because someone made the same thread on resetera?

Its a false narrative.

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction Reviews - Metacritic

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. You are a fugitive, ruthlessly hunted by the very government you used to serve. Your only choice is to improvise to survive. Experience original gameplay based on improvisation in which your environment is your top weapon. Always on your toes, you need to react on the...
www.metacritic.com www.metacritic.com
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Lol that was me I made the same thread over there , and it does get a lot of hate , I remember when it came out.
 
For me, back when I was younger, it was the departure from operating from within Third Echelon and the fact that the game forced confrontations instead of giving you options to bypass most everyone. I was stupid, the game is fine for what it is... It's actually a pretty cool Jason Bourne simulator.
 
Its a decent game and nothing more. People hate it because it isn't Splinter Cell.

Too much action and no stealth. The hate is understandable
 
Mondai said:
Lol that was me I made the same thread over there , and it does get a lot of hate , I remember when it came out.
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I guess its where you were at the time.
I remember it being highly praised, the initial gameplay at e3 blew people away.
Overall i think the majority of impressions were positive. It does not surprise me that oldgaf and era come up with the narrative that it was hated.

To find out the overall reception of a game is to look at sales figures and metacritic, not what a few people say on a forum.
 
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Mista said:
Its a decent game and nothing more. People hate it because it isn't Splinter Cell.

Too much action and no stealth. The hate is understandable
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Understandable that it gets a little hate but I hate I saw for it was too much at the time , as far as deviation games go , its one of the best.
 
Too much action, that stupid slow mo BS shooting was no in keeping with the game at all.

Splinter Cell is a stealth game that should reward you from getting through your mission with no alerts or kills, Conviction encouraged it and made it more broad which ruined the game for me.
 
It's less to do with hating on Conviction and more about seeing the IP return to form. Hardcore stealth with intelligent level design and AI.

The series was never meant to be about flashy action.
 
The black and white effect when you go into the shadows. There is no way to disable it.

Somnium said:
It's less to do with hating on Conviction and more about seeing the IP return to form. Hardcore stealth with intelligent level design and AI.

The series was never meant to be about flashy action.
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"intelligent level design and AI"

These 2 are hard enough to come across even outside of stealth games
 
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It became a generic action game with lackluster aesthetics. And after the utterly abysmal Conviction, it kinda made it clear that the series is dead.
 
Screwed the hardcore fans. ok game

The dialogue still haunts me. I hate penny arcade but this was genuinely funny at the time after playing that game.
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Forced combat, lame aggressive panther gameplay that forces you to kill everyone in a room before progressing, awful binary visual detection (you're either in the light or darkness; meter was better) lame and typical emotional story (I play SC for espionage). Easily my least favorite in the series.

EDIT: That said, I don't really "hate it". I was fun-ish for one playthrough and the co-op was fantastic. It's just not what I want from the series.
 
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LemmingWithaParachute said:
Its hardly hyperbole. Its an accurate description of the series. It was shelved until they rebooted it with Blacklist and even that did so poorly that SC is "mia" for an entire gen cycle.
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Lackluster asthetics? For the time it was a good looking game.
And utterly abysmal? I can understand a person not liking the genre, but i dont understand how they came to that conclusion.
 
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Sosokrates said:
Lackluster asthetics? For the time it was a good looking game.
And utterly abysmal? I can understand a person not liking the genre, but i dont understand how they came to that conclusion.
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Abysmal as a SC game. It wasnt a splinter cell game.

The jump from Double Agent, let alone chaos theory took it to a different genre altogether. If anything, the mp mode was more sc than the sp.
 
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LemmingWithaParachute said:
Abysmal as a SC game. It wasnt a splinter cell game.

The jump from Double Agent, let alone chaos theory took it to a different genre altogether. If anything, the mp mode was more sc than the sp.
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Well, its important to add that context, not that I agree. I was never a fan of the splinter cell games before conviction.
 
Sosokrates said:
Well, its important to add that context, not that I agree. I was never a fan of the splinter cell games before conviction.
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This going sound dickheadish... but if you were never a fan of the og games, you cant really have a go at the og fans when they make a statement like that. We know what was lost in the transition to next gen. Its such a waste of an ip and what it did for stealth.

Even pc version of CT with m/kb was innovative in the way it used mouse scroll to control the speed of Sam. It was such a precise game.
 
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Didn't even know it was hated. Though I haven't finished either I liked what I played of Conviction much better than that of Blacklist.
 
It's like Hitman Absolution. A good game, but people hated it because it was too much of a departure. And it didn't actually expand the audience for the game.
 
Sosokrates said:
Well, its important to add that context, not that I agree. I was never a fan of the splinter cell games before conviction.
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That actually explains how oblivious you are to the hate the game got. It definitely wasn't well received by classic fans. It's the same with RE4, actually...
 
LemmingWithaParachute said:
This going sound dickheadish... but if you were never a fan of the og games, you cant really have a go at the og fans when they make a statement like that. We know what was lost in the transition to next gen. Its such a waste of an ip and what it did for stealth.

Even pc version of CT with m/kb was innovative in the way it used mouse scroll to control the speed of Sam. It was such a precise game.
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Sure I can, to be fare i kind of missed the boat on the og splinter cells, i didnt play the original until i had a 360 and played it via Bc, it did not age to well which just put me off it.
Maybe if i spent more time with them closer to there launches i would probably like them, but some older games dont appeal to me. However they look quality games, i loved metel gear solid 2 and 3, but I was a big PS2 gamer back then.
 
Imagine if the original Devil May Cry ended up being Resident Evil 4 as it was originally intended instead of being ultimately spun off unto its own series.
That's Conviction.
Bad game. Not Splinter Cell.
Even on its own terms, it's a mediocre action game. I'd rather play Gears of War.
 
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idk, i liked the game.
It was very jack bauery and letters projected on things and such felt pretty cool.
Then again, i very much loved Kane and Lych 2 mostly because of the visual style and feel of the game.

Gameplay is alright too


This was the first time that i considered SC to be as fun as a MGS game.
 
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Roni said:
That actually explains how oblivious you are to the hate the game got. It definitely wasn't well received by classic fans. It's the same with RE4, actually...
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No doubt but it still does not change the fact its anecdotal evidence, there was probably a few thousand disgruntled splinter cell purists unleashing there anger on there keyboards. But it sold well and review well that is a better indicator of a games reception.
 
I enjoyed the game but its really just John Wick with slight stealth. Blacklist at least corrected some of those issues though its not the same as Chaos Theory.
 
Sosokrates said:
Sure I can, to be fare i kind of missed the boat on the og splinter cells, i didnt play the original until i had a 360 and played it via Bc, it did not age to well which just put me off it.
Maybe if i spent more time with them closer to there launches i would probably like them, but some older games dont appeal to me. However they look quality games, i loved metel gear solid 2 and 3, but I was a big PS2 gamer back then.
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Did not age too well?

Chaos Theory is the stealth genre (alongside Thief 1/2). Youve got far more control of sam and choices than in the games that come after. They watered it down and turned action/steath to make it more appealing to the casual market.

That was ubis MO with the Tom Clancy IPs. Target the hardcore and make a name for itself, then tell the og fans to piss off while they simplify the gameplay to win their preferred player base - the casual.


Not one... zero of the TC IPs is aimed at the original fans anymore. They completely shafted us.

There is literally 0 games out there like the originals on todays market.
 
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I think most of the criticism of the game stems from just how much of a departure it was from the original concept. On its own it's fine as a game, it just should have been a new IP .... I think the gameplay of conviction / blacklist would work pretty well as a John Wick game though, with some additions & improvements of course, but mark & execute is totally a John Wick-ish mechanic...
 
LemmingWithaParachute said:
Did not age too well?

Chaos Theory is the stealth genre (alongside Thief 1/2). Youve got far more control of sam and choices than in the games that come after. They watered it down and turned action/steath to make it more appealing to the casual market.

That was ubis MO with the Tom Clancy IPs. Target the hardcore and make a name for itself, then tell the og fans to piss off while they simplify the gameplay to win their preferred player base - the casual.


Not one... zero of the TC IPs is aimed at the original fans anymore. They completely shafted us.

There is literally 0 games out there like the originals on todays market.
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No , i mean when i tried og splinter cell (the first game)I played the tutorial which was in a 4.3 aspect ratio, compared to games at the time(rainbow six vegas, fable 2 gta4 etc) the animation, visuals and controls felt, just old and at the time I would rather play those more recent games.
I know im not alone here, a lot of people rather play the new more sophisticated game over the old one.
 
Sosokrates said:
No , i mean when i tried og splinter cell (the first game)I played the tutorial which was in a 4.3 aspect ratio, compared to games at the time(rainbow six vegas, fable 2 gta4 etc) the animation, visuals and controls felt, just old and at the time I would rather play those more recent games.
I know im not alone here, a lot of people rather play the new more sophisticated game over the old one.
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Oh for sure, SC 1 is like playing video games with a tv remote.
 
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I enjoyed it, its less a hiding in shadows waiting simulator and more of an action game with some stealth thrown in, If you can accept it for what it is and not compare it to its predecessors it's not bad at all, certainly better than just leaving the series stagnant and not risk doing anything different with it.
 
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Mondai said:
I've played every Splinter Cell game and while Conviction is pretty much an action game through and through and a big departure from previous titles , it is still a very enjoyable game that gets alot of undeserved hate. I mean its not like its Resi 6 bad or anything, I like action hero/no fucks given Sam.
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first of all Resident Evil 6 is great coop shooter with a fun movement system and tons of content.

and second of all, Conviction is extremely dumbed down (you basically lose 90% of the control you had over Sam in previous games), isn't a good shooter nor a good stealth game and therefore plays like an identity crisis with no focus.
 
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01011001 said:
first of all Resident Evil 6 is great coop shooter with a fun movement system and tons of content.

and second of all, Conviction is extremely dumbed down, isn't a good shooter nor a good stealth game and therefore plays like an identity crisis with no focus.
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I'm not one to defend Conviction, but it is definitely better than RE6. Better gameplay/movement and better coop. Both are just alright, but Conviction still comfortably beats it out (RE6 may have more content, but 90% of that content is awful to mediocre).
 
Arachnid said:
I'm not one to defend Conviction, but it is definitely better than RE6. Better gameplay/movement and better coop. Both are just alright, but Conviction still comfortably beats it out (RE6 may have more content, but 90% of that content is awful to mediocre).
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wtf? RE6 is better in every way. better controller aiming, better movement, way more interesting and complex moveset and has so much more variety.
 
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