This whole "don't care" attitude is very VERY sad. It's an argument people use when they cannot find anything positive to say about the situation. If majority of the people honestly "don't care" about these anti consumer ideas Microsoft is trying to force into the industry, then please... don't be bitching later on when its the norm due to your ignorant conformity.
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Why do people think Xbone will fail? Here's several reasons why it won't.
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Nah, it's just to obvious and easy to blame Kinect for the higher price. It might not be the primary or only reason for the price in reality, but given the high price of the original Kinect, this is the chain of thought most less informed people will follow.
Fixed2BeBroken
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For the People who are saying that casuals and the non hardcore will appeal more to the Xbone than ps4
Did you ever consider the fact that same audience is very price conservative/aware so the ps4 still has a major advantage with them in that regard? And with it being lower out the gate, as consoles drop in price, ps4 should always be the more affordable option. As long as Sony responds to any price cut with the same price cut.
Remember, last gen, xbox's cheaper price was always a big factor over the ps3
Did you ever consider the fact that same audience is very price conservative/aware so the ps4 still has a major advantage with them in that regard? And with it being lower out the gate, as consoles drop in price, ps4 should always be the more affordable option. As long as Sony responds to any price cut with the same price cut.
Remember, last gen, xbox's cheaper price was always a big factor over the ps3
The only reasons to buy one are:
You are married to your gamerID / rank / whatever
You LOVE HALO more than anything else game related
You actually want Kinect
I know nothing has sold 1 copy yet, but if the early momentum is accurate, developers are going to be less keen to work with MS if the install base if lower, OR if consumers avoid the xbone versions because they actually want to own what they buy.
Unless MS gave Respawn a massive retainer fee, you have to think they are sitting there, hoping that the horse the hooked there cart to is a runner, and not a jogger.
You are married to your gamerID / rank / whatever
You LOVE HALO more than anything else game related
You actually want Kinect
I know nothing has sold 1 copy yet, but if the early momentum is accurate, developers are going to be less keen to work with MS if the install base if lower, OR if consumers avoid the xbone versions because they actually want to own what they buy.
Unless MS gave Respawn a massive retainer fee, you have to think they are sitting there, hoping that the horse the hooked there cart to is a runner, and not a jogger.
I've come to terms that Brand Loyalty means absolute shit OP. Many people jumped from the SNES to the PSX, and many people also jumped from the PS2 to the 360/Wii. Just because the 360 was a good console doesn't automatically mean that people will stick to it's successor no matter what just because of the Xbox brand name. If people jumped from two of the greatest consoles ever (SNES and PS2), then they will jump from the 360 to either PC or PS4 if they need to.
Diprosalic
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neither of these games are that big of a draw anymore. yearly CoD do their combined numbers in a day.
njean777
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I dont think it will fail, it will be like the ps3 this gen most likely. Although from speculation I see the PS4 doing better, and the xbone selling less then even the ps3 this gen. I could be all wrong though and I hope I am. I hope both consoles do good, though I do hope MS has to change their policies to move more boxes though.
Miles Quaritch
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I don't think you can argue price won't matter. The competition will be a hundred bones cheaper and will offer most of the same games.
This alone will be a huge factor in the One not selling as well as people think. Money for expensive luxury items is pretty tight and it's unlikely to get better, so if you don't have to spend an extra hundred bones on something, you likely won't.
I still have my doubts that either will sell as well as expected for the first year due to the majority of games being cross generational. There's no motivation to push people to abandon their current console to buy a a new, more expensive one to play the same games but in 1080/60.
This alone will be a huge factor in the One not selling as well as people think. Money for expensive luxury items is pretty tight and it's unlikely to get better, so if you don't have to spend an extra hundred bones on something, you likely won't.
I still have my doubts that either will sell as well as expected for the first year due to the majority of games being cross generational. There's no motivation to push people to abandon their current console to buy a a new, more expensive one to play the same games but in 1080/60.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Why did you focus group your classmates and bombard them with slides of evidence to try to change their mind
BrokenEchelon
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You've got it in reverse. The points you list are reasons why brand loyalty will diminish and reasons why they will lose marketshare. People will stick by it, there are always at least some fans of any product, but each of those smaller reasons are going to chip away at consumers who will find the PS4 to be the better alternative.
Since the players in the market haven't changed, and since the Wii U is once again the black sheep going up against the new "HD Twins", the only thing Microsoft is going to be doing this time around is losing marketshare because of a myriad of anti-consumer decisions. Military, people with poor internet connections, price point, frugal gamers/used game fans, etc.
Since the players in the market haven't changed, and since the Wii U is once again the black sheep going up against the new "HD Twins", the only thing Microsoft is going to be doing this time around is losing marketshare because of a myriad of anti-consumer decisions. Military, people with poor internet connections, price point, frugal gamers/used game fans, etc.
some of my non gamer friends who were 360 players are thinking of getting PS4 because
1) Kinect being on - NSA - PRISM situation.
2) No used games - 1) They buy used games for cheap because they play live from time to time, but they still like to buy their games used. *shrugs*
3) Can't play offline - they sometimes go to tournaments (fighting game) where you don't have it connected to online. Hence the problem.
4) The Price.
This is all according to them...
1) Kinect being on - NSA - PRISM situation.
2) No used games - 1) They buy used games for cheap because they play live from time to time, but they still like to buy their games used. *shrugs*
3) Can't play offline - they sometimes go to tournaments (fighting game) where you don't have it connected to online. Hence the problem.
4) The Price.
This is all according to them...
Shadow Moses
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say people will probably know it costs $499 BEFORE they buy it
The reasons you're describing will likely save the Xbox One from complete, abject failure. That said, I don't think the XB1-buying demographic you're alluding to is nearly big enough to beat the PS4 or even make this a close fight; it would be a bit of an upset, yeah, but that's exactly what we saw when tbe 360 cannibalized a large number of people whose main system was probably the PS2 during the previous generation.
Portugeezer
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Initially the sales will be close I think, but over time Xbone will fail (and by that I mean not sell very well compared to Xbox 360).
I don't believe any of your points.
I don't believe any of your points.
- What happened to PS2's brand loyalty? Exactly, it's a myth, probably only a few million max are loyal.
- Maybe, but why go for Xbone when you can go for PS4 with no online requirement?
- People will care about used games even if they don't buy/sell many. People like to own their games.
- Exclusive DLC? More like timed exclusive and barely means anything. Ryse is more important than exclusive DLC.
- Maybe people don't care about specs (gamers do however), but price is important, and PS4 gives you more powerful hardware for $100 cheaper, that's almost 2 games.
Brand loyalty to Microsoft? Yeah, I don't think they're loyal to Microsoft, rather loyal to their friends as you point out.
And you really underestimate how easy it is to make a new friends list on the other console. This isn't Facebook where you have a history on your profile (even then people still jump ship to G+). Anyone can easily go to PS4, especially when someone is going to be ultra pissed at Microsoft's dumb policies, there will be a friend that drags the rest of their crew to PS4.
And given that PS3's install base is great than 360's, there really is no concern about the old 'friends on 360' reasoning.
And you really underestimate how easy it is to make a new friends list on the other console. This isn't Facebook where you have a history on your profile (even then people still jump ship to G+). Anyone can easily go to PS4, especially when someone is going to be ultra pissed at Microsoft's dumb policies, there will be a friend that drags the rest of their crew to PS4.
And given that PS3's install base is great than 360's, there really is no concern about the old 'friends on 360' reasoning.
PS4 has a far greater number of potential buyers. X1 is limited to fewer countries. No one without Internet can buy it. It's base price is higher. PS4 will sell far more.
The thing is this is not a failure for Microsoft as long as they make a profit. Not a failure for the people that buy it as long as they are happy with the system.
Do you know how big of a brand Halo is these days?
A Sony monopoly of the console market is the last thing we need.
darkside31337
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Given the lack of BC its effectively a clean slate. You're no longer tied into the ecosystem when none of your content is carrying over. Your point about friends deciding where other friends go is accurate. Its why its crucial for both MS and Sony to come out strong out of the gate
Your used game comment is so off the mark. Its this so called CoD/Madden/2K crowd that cares about used games. A ton of people will chug through their Madden and 2K every year and then sell it to go buy something. None of these people want to be stuck with Madden 25 when its 2016.
The argument that the Xbox One will be perceived as more powerful because its $100 more is pretty ludicrous. Just look at the current generation and see how that worked out for the more expensive PS3.
fastford58
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1. I never owned a PS2...had og xbox then 360. Own a PS3, but very few games. Own 30+ for x360. I will not touch xbone with a 10 foot bone. I can't be the only one who is converting, brand loyalty be damned.
2. I don't think the persistent connection is a problem. The mandatory prison connection IS.
3. This argument is just bad. As evidenced by the backlash, standing applause at Sony's conference etc, used games is a pretty big fuckin' deal to a lot of people.
4. Exclusive DLC is a scourge to begin with. It's like shoveling another scoop of poo onto shit mountain.
5. If this is how consumers are basing their purchasing decisions, then they deserve to get stuck with garbage. BAAAAAAA!
People will care when the graphical difference becomes evident.
I think Xbone will fail in relation to the success of the X360. There will be decent sales in the first couple months, but I don't think there will be momentum.
"dont underestimate them!"
Where are posters like you getting the idea that Microsoft isn't going to convince uneducated to buy their wares? Microsoft is great at selling stuff. Unfortunately, its being sold dishonestly(from the ground up, no one needs a living room wonder box), which is why many people participating in gaming on both sides of the fanboy lot are buying PS4's, and media is trying to educate consumers about the horrible product Microsoft is offering this generation. Sure, Microsoft will have people buying their console with no idea what a 24 hour check is. But thats hardly a "WIN" for anyones standards, morally or just as a product/service offered.
The saddest thing about posts like this, is that they neglect the facts that microsoft themselves have already stated:
1. Limited release worldwide.
2. Limited release, stateside. (Buy a 360 if you don't have internet stupids!)
Yet, still, the flags wave. Microsoft will have a smaller pool this generation, its literally factual. I'm just hoping that people will be honestly educated about the system, at least for the premium they are paying.
As far as for gamers? Microsoft feeling the burn of this will be a good thing for all of us. Their direction is absolutely horrible for console gaming, and you know it.
Where are posters like you getting the idea that Microsoft isn't going to convince uneducated to buy their wares? Microsoft is great at selling stuff. Unfortunately, its being sold dishonestly(from the ground up, no one needs a living room wonder box), which is why many people participating in gaming on both sides of the fanboy lot are buying PS4's, and media is trying to educate consumers about the horrible product Microsoft is offering this generation. Sure, Microsoft will have people buying their console with no idea what a 24 hour check is. But thats hardly a "WIN" for anyones standards, morally or just as a product/service offered.
The saddest thing about posts like this, is that they neglect the facts that microsoft themselves have already stated:
1. Limited release worldwide.
2. Limited release, stateside. (Buy a 360 if you don't have internet stupids!)
Yet, still, the flags wave. Microsoft will have a smaller pool this generation, its literally factual. I'm just hoping that people will be honestly educated about the system, at least for the premium they are paying.
As far as for gamers? Microsoft feeling the burn of this will be a good thing for all of us. Their direction is absolutely horrible for console gaming, and you know it.
1. Brand loyalty didn't do shit for Sony moving from PS2 to PS3, and they sold many more units and were much more dominant than Microsoft were with 360.
2. True, but Microsofts own numbers point to this being, at best, about 40 to 50% of theit current install base. That's a lot of customers to lose.
3. Gamestop making billions of dollars from just used games says this is bullshit.
4. And what about those who want to play the latest DLC for Destiny etc? Exclusive DLC does not sell systems, even for CoD.
5. Failure of the PS3 at launch says you are talking out of your ass regarding, and things are much tougher for people now financially than they were then.
This thing will tank.
Brand loyalty is absolutely not in Microsoft's favor. I have 450+ 360 games and 107k gamerscore. I am jumping ship and I'm letting people know about why I'm doing it.
If MS would've taken some initiative to actually foster brand loyalty and faith in their ecosystem, things might have been different. Since their is no BC, there is absolutely NO reason for me to stick to Xbox and that includes achievements. I'm an achievement whore and that isn't stopping me. Just like Matrick said, I can still play my 450+ games on my 360 and not be subject to these new anti-consumer policies. Why not jump ship for next-Gen and keep my 360 with my current library in tact? Thanks, MS, for making the decision easy.
Brand loyalty... Pfft.
If MS would've taken some initiative to actually foster brand loyalty and faith in their ecosystem, things might have been different. Since their is no BC, there is absolutely NO reason for me to stick to Xbox and that includes achievements. I'm an achievement whore and that isn't stopping me. Just like Matrick said, I can still play my 450+ games on my 360 and not be subject to these new anti-consumer policies. Why not jump ship for next-Gen and keep my 360 with my current library in tact? Thanks, MS, for making the decision easy.
Brand loyalty... Pfft.
Even the non-gamers I talk to know its a bad deal, OP. 3 gamer friends have already traded in their 360s and all games for the PS4 preorder and games. One of them even bought his first PS3 and + with the money.
Loyalty means jack, bro. So does everything else you list. I've seen people talked out of pre-ordering at my local shop in favor of a PS4 when I went to preorder mine.
Its looking grim, I'd say. It will sell, yes. But it will be an epic failure by itself or by comparison. Nothing I have seen indicates anything else. Literally.
But if you like it and are here for brand loyalty then so be it. Whatever makes you happy.
Loyalty means jack, bro. So does everything else you list. I've seen people talked out of pre-ordering at my local shop in favor of a PS4 when I went to preorder mine.
Its looking grim, I'd say. It will sell, yes. But it will be an epic failure by itself or by comparison. Nothing I have seen indicates anything else. Literally.
But if you like it and are here for brand loyalty then so be it. Whatever makes you happy.
I don't think it will fail. As a matter of fact I hope it doesn't. I love my 360 (both of them). I just don't think they'll see the sells numbesr they could have if they hadn't implemented all these restrictions. I seriously hope they change their policies because I want to own both eventually, but until they do, I'm going PS4.
MusicGangATL
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xbox one is a console built to last longer than the 360. they will not fail. and either will the ps4
as fucked up as new policies are, it is what it is. There is definitely a bubble here and your attempt to pop it will fail though.
both consoles pre-ordered, im ready to play.
as fucked up as new policies are, it is what it is. There is definitely a bubble here and your attempt to pop it will fail though.
both consoles pre-ordered, im ready to play.
People who only play 'one or two games a year' don't have brand loyalty. Don't care about chievos. They likely have a 'games friend' who they go to recommendations, and that 'games friend' will tell them to buy a ps4, and that is where their friends will be.
And as someone who worked at a Gamestop for 5 years, let me tell you, the 'average gamer' absolutely cares about used games. In fact, I would say the hardcore were the only ones NOT buying used.
And as someone who worked at a Gamestop for 5 years, let me tell you, the 'average gamer' absolutely cares about used games. In fact, I would say the hardcore were the only ones NOT buying used.
I agree with this point, but word of mouth about MS's bad practices will negate it significantly.
This may be true, but again, word of mouth can make the always online matter to people who would normally not care about it. Also, we still don't know how many people simply cannot buy an online-only console.
This is wrong. Clearly a lot of people care about used games, otherwise Gamestop wouldn't be able to push them so much.
This could be correct, I don't have enough data to tell.
This seems like the most wrong of your points, I don't agree at all, especially the price part.
famousmortimer
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Responses in bold. tl;dr i don't agree.
Most likely this.
Relativ9
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All your points are mute when MS isn't even selling the thing in half the world. The same half that happens to house the fastest growing markets.
Also remember that console sales arent everything, the real money is in licensing. If Joe dudebro buys all his third party games for PS4 instead of Xbox One because of less restrictions, thats a big Loss for MS, just as it was for Nintendo this gen.
Also remember that console sales arent everything, the real money is in licensing. If Joe dudebro buys all his third party games for PS4 instead of Xbox One because of less restrictions, thats a big Loss for MS, just as it was for Nintendo this gen.
dgrdsv
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Only this time PS4 is cheaper, features cross-game chat and will run the same CoD with better fps. CoD fans aren't stupid. That's exactly why they've bought 360 instead of PS3 five years ago.
I agree. Many informed people will chose the PS4 for all the objective reasons. Many uninformed people will chose it for its price which is the single most important advantage the PS4 has in this respect.
The most important drivers of Xbone sales will be brand, exclusives and, maybe, controller preference, allthrough the DS4 seems to be much improved.
And in the end, many people will buy both. I wanted to preorder both, originally, now I'll skip the Xbone for the time being, just for the sake of expressing my dissapointment with their PR strategies.
Vestal
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yet there are people on this very board who are informed like myself and will get it because we just want to play the games. The exclusives they offer are currently better, the family sharing is promising and the tv options are great.
out of the last 10 years of having broadband from different providers the only time I didn't have internet was because there was no power. So always online is no problem.
WiiredShawn
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If MS markets the machine well, then regardless of its restrictive features, it will sell well during the holiday season, perhaps as well, if not better than the Wii U. It depends, too, on how close the PS4 launch is - do we have an exact date yet, outside of "Holiday 2013"? Because if the two consoles are side by side, with many of the same "big" games (like CoD) and one console is a whole $100 cheaper, that will be the real test of brand loyalty.
Portugeezer
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It's huge, but still not as big or important as it used to be.
Microsoft really need to knock it out of the park with Halo 5.
1. Brand Loyalty - Well, you can't really force them to make the jump. But look at Apple/Samsung, if you have something that's really enticing you might get a few double dippers if not fully convert at the very least
2. People who only play multiplayer won't care about "always online" - That goes without saying. Not really a reason they couldn't fail, Xbone isn't the only console that has online multiplayer
3: People won't care about used games - True, I care about renting more than used games. I'm holding out that Microsoft will come to their senses on Gamefly so I can feel okay purchasing an Xbone.
4: Exclusive DLC - People buy consoles because of DLC? News to me
5: They don't care about the specs or price - Specs, I'll give you. Price? That's complete bullshit. Don't believe it? Watch what happens if/when Xbox gets an subsidized version
2. People who only play multiplayer won't care about "always online" - That goes without saying. Not really a reason they couldn't fail, Xbone isn't the only console that has online multiplayer
3: People won't care about used games - True, I care about renting more than used games. I'm holding out that Microsoft will come to their senses on Gamefly so I can feel okay purchasing an Xbone.
4: Exclusive DLC - People buy consoles because of DLC? News to me
5: They don't care about the specs or price - Specs, I'll give you. Price? That's complete bullshit. Don't believe it? Watch what happens if/when Xbox gets an subsidized version
legacyzero
Banned
I can only be so loyal to a brand when that brand stops being loyal to ME.
Diprosalic
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it still sells well but the days of halo as a system seller are over. especially now that 343 took over, i expect a drop in sales after the turd they delivered.
h4 did around 4 millions LTD, CoD 7.5 million on launch day.
The Xbox One isn't going to be a complete failure and honestly, things could change but there are a few reasons why the Xbox isn't going to experience the same domination it had in the United States like it did last generation:
1. Release date - The 360 released an entire year before the PS3. This allowed a huge lead in install base before the PS3 even had a chance. This time around the two are being release basically at the same time.
2. Price - In the Holiday season, people are often short on money, since they are busy buying gifts and what not. Being able to buy your child a PS4 plus 2 games for $520 instead of $620 for the Xbox One will make it easy for many to decide which console to buy.
3. Policy - Microsoft's policies will cut out a segment of the market. That segment will only be able to choose PS4 or Wii U if they want to go next gen.
4. Power - Over time the Sony exclusives will begin to look better comparatively to Xbox exclusives. Side by side comparisons of 3rd party games will be much less ambiguous than the previous generation.
From a hardware perspective and policy perspective, the Xbox One is simply an inferior console. Sony offers a better product this time around and could experience domination not only in the United States, but also the rest of the world.
1. Release date - The 360 released an entire year before the PS3. This allowed a huge lead in install base before the PS3 even had a chance. This time around the two are being release basically at the same time.
2. Price - In the Holiday season, people are often short on money, since they are busy buying gifts and what not. Being able to buy your child a PS4 plus 2 games for $520 instead of $620 for the Xbox One will make it easy for many to decide which console to buy.
3. Policy - Microsoft's policies will cut out a segment of the market. That segment will only be able to choose PS4 or Wii U if they want to go next gen.
4. Power - Over time the Sony exclusives will begin to look better comparatively to Xbox exclusives. Side by side comparisons of 3rd party games will be much less ambiguous than the previous generation.
From a hardware perspective and policy perspective, the Xbox One is simply an inferior console. Sony offers a better product this time around and could experience domination not only in the United States, but also the rest of the world.
RobotMafia
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Yeah its messed up. To see that X1 thread on here with people buying it day one talking about how the DRM doesn't affect them so they dont care is gross. But I guess Forza is worth buying an over priced, anti-consumer console or something....
uncledonnie
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It will be a long time before we can make any judgment about it "failing". We know they're going to be supply constrained. They can't even manage anything close to a worldwide launch.
I would not be at all surprised if they consistently sell out well into 2014.
I would not be at all surprised if they consistently sell out well into 2014.
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