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Why do people want games to be bad?
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OldJadedGamer
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DangerousDave said:
Well said. After the 7th or 8th version of something (shit, even after the 3rd or 4th) I just want the developer to move on and make something new. Sometimes these devs are a victim of their own success and the publisher wont' let them move on.
Internet Celebrity said:
Now that's bizarre to me. I can't read every book I'm potentially interested in, but I don't hope some of them them turn out to be bad so I can have an excuse not to read them. I'd rather have as many of them as possible be great, so that I have more choices when I do have the time.
And that gives rise to a question that I'm curious about. Why is there such a strong strain of OCD/collector-itis amongst gamers? It seems like so many of us have this need to buy every game that's supposed to be good, even if it means we end up with a backlog a mile long and eventually end up selling half of them off on eBay unopened. Or end up wanting games to be bad so we don't 'have' to buy them. Is it just that gamers as a group have been so conditioned by marketing to 'catch 'em all' and buy everything on 'day one' that it's ingrained behavior? Or looking at the collection elements in the games themselves, is it that people who are attracted to gaming already tend to be into collecting things, and their attitudes when it comes to buying games just an outgrowth of that? I'm really wondering now.
DieNgamers
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All the strangers came today.
I don't know that anyone actively wants a game to be bad except for fanboys and idiots, but I know that I certainly sometimes ANTICIPATE a game is going to be bad. Also, because gamers get so riled up about games before they're released, and often declare their unconditional allegiance to a game pre-maturely, gamers make it REALLY tempting to poo poo on their parade.
My friend couldn't afford to buy a new game when inFamous came out. When he saw me playing it like everyday 24/7 for like 2 weeks straight he started saying the game sucked. Even though he only played the demo. He ended up playing it a week later, at which point he admitted it was good. I guess it mostly has to do with envy.
Dedication Through Light
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DeVeAn said:
Well I dont see anything wrong with being loyal.
I mean, there has to be tons of loyal Madden fans for people to notice that their are changes between each game and for them to have reached, 21 releases.
Or Sega loyals, Atlus Loyals, etc.
Arpharmd B
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I think the same thing every time someone buys a copy of Tomb Raider OP... I feel you, man, I feel you.
I really think that's probably the biggest reason why people will dislike a game. If it's just a bad game then it's easy to ignore it. Same with a game your just not that interested.Haunted said:
But when hyping a game becomes more like a shitty meme were it gets hard to avoid.
Knightfall
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Remember when Luke Smith asked David Jaffe "Did Sony send resistance to die?" That really pissed me off. I knew he was just asking it in some stupid attempt at being 'edgy'. I consider back-in-the-day Luke Smith as being the epitome of the jaded gamer. He mentioned he would play only the first chunk of most games and think "ok, I get it" then stop playing. Its that kind of attitude that makes most games suck and promotes a negative attitude. The fact is that alot of gamers on NeoGaf actually dont really like playing games that much, just look at all the threads about how person x doesnt like games anymore and then everyone replies saying they think games suck too.
MWS Natural
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I don't want any game to suck but I do hope some games don't sell well just for the lulz. I wanted KZ2 to turn out good to piss off the Xbot KZ2 haters but I wanted the game to bomb at retail so I could laugh at the Sony fanboys awaiting their latest savior :lol
Basically I got what I wanted
Basically I got what I wanted
Dedication Through Light
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Knightfall said:
Reminds me of the people who will watch the opening cutscene and then play for 5 minutes and say its a crummy game and never touch it again.
Always-honest
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a lot of games are pretty good.. it's just that i have the feeling i've been there and i've done that... it doesn't feel the slightest bit fresh most of the time. and that makes sense, cause we want more of what we like..Truant said:
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Deleted member 30609
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Yes and yes. Well said.Haunted said:
ghst said:
I assume you're talking about some kind of PSN or XBLA title given the price, but could you reveal its identity? I don't know what game you're talking about.
As for the rest of your post, you try to criticize fanboys, yet you're telling everyone else that their tastes are retarded and they should all just play the games YOU like, to hell with what they want to play :lol
What amusing hypocrisy.
TheGreatDave
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So basically; you want a DLC platform, and nothing but, in a world where way less than half the game owners are online. GH DLC couldn't even be forwards compatible until now, which it is.DangerousDave said:
Sidenote: RB requires online access for exports. Tough luck kids, you'll wait a year for new songs!
DangerousDave
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TheGreatDave said:
Rock Band also have song packs in retail. 4 of them. So you can play them standalone (just as you can do with GH Smash Hits) without needing any online connection.
But, if you have online, you can export them to add in the song library of RB. Yes, you need online, but it's quite obvious that allowing this without online will mean that you can export them in 500 consoles, if you want it (unless you require disk swap, that is even worse).
The problem of GH is not that they launch a lot of games. They may publish a game each month, if they want, with the DLC of the last month. The problem is that, without allowing any kind of export, at the end you have 300 songs... but in 5 different games. So you can't acceed the songs you want. You have to play 5 career modes with 60 songs each one.
And, of course, the DLC of GH3 ended the same day GHWT launched, so all the DLC of GH III was "lost". I bought RB, bought 100 songs in DLC, and when I bought RB2, the DLC was compatible. I exported the 75 songs of RB, and now I play RB2 with more than 300 songs. And when they launch RB3, I'll play it and I'll have like 500 songs in day 1 (and a store of probably 1000 songs more to buy).
BTW, Smash Hits launched last month (after RB2, the RB song packs, AC/DC Live, etc). What should be the cost, for Activision, of allowing the export of the songs with GHWT? Zero. Adding a code inside the box, and linking it to a "hidden" DLC that download the songs of Smash Hits as GHWT DLC. That would even increase the sells and the reviews scores!
I typically do not want games to fail, not for fanboy or console war reasons. I will admit to wanting to partake in some well deserved schadenfreude on a couple of instances. And both instances, the fanboys who were who believed these games were going to be digital Jesus and blabbed on and on about it deserved what they got.
1. When Mistwalker announced its two games for the 360, Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon, the dour elitists who hated Square ever since they left Nintendo were trumpeting how LO in particular would showcase Sakaguchi as the true master and thus stick it to Square (and Sony too, because they're to blame for everything wrong in video games). When the games released and they didn't really measure up to AAA Final Fantasy standards, the elitists snobs crawled back in their caves to gnash their teeth, I thought it was hilarious. However, I own both LO and BD and think they're pretty good games in their own right. I never expected them to be the nest FF or DQ.
2. Halo 2. Oh my good I was sick to death of hearing about how awesome Halo 2 was going to be. Thread upon thread, post upon post. I was ready for the damn thing to come out and bomb so these people would go away. Funny thing is a lot of people considered Halo 2 a huge disappointment.....and that only made them post MORE. I actually think Halo 2 is a bit better than 1. I found 1 to be kinda repetitive whereas 2 was much more varied. I already knew about Audrey 2 and there wouldn't be much fighting on Earth so those didn't affect me at all.
1. When Mistwalker announced its two games for the 360, Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon, the dour elitists who hated Square ever since they left Nintendo were trumpeting how LO in particular would showcase Sakaguchi as the true master and thus stick it to Square (and Sony too, because they're to blame for everything wrong in video games). When the games released and they didn't really measure up to AAA Final Fantasy standards, the elitists snobs crawled back in their caves to gnash their teeth, I thought it was hilarious. However, I own both LO and BD and think they're pretty good games in their own right. I never expected them to be the nest FF or DQ.
2. Halo 2. Oh my good I was sick to death of hearing about how awesome Halo 2 was going to be. Thread upon thread, post upon post. I was ready for the damn thing to come out and bomb so these people would go away. Funny thing is a lot of people considered Halo 2 a huge disappointment.....and that only made them post MORE. I actually think Halo 2 is a bit better than 1. I found 1 to be kinda repetitive whereas 2 was much more varied. I already knew about Audrey 2 and there wouldn't be much fighting on Earth so those didn't affect me at all.
What do you mean you "rest your case"? Its almost August and hundreds of games have come out this year already. Im supposed to randomly know what game you were talking about? You couldve been talking about some Dora the Explorer game for the DS for all I know.ghst said:
Pfft "rest my case".
The NERVE.
Yasae said:
I do not care whatsoever about other people's convictions, nor do I feel any desire to change them. Roasting a title is the goal in of itself. If people find stuff to agree with, that's fine... but I prefer hearty debates. Discussions are far more interesting and compelling when people are disagreeing and picking apart little inconsistencies.
So, the goal is not to change convictions but to spark debate about subjects I am passionate about.
I don't see anything wrong in a desire to have games bomb that the end user has no interest in. If a person loves RPGs and hates everything else, a world where RPGs sell and other genres fail would lead to more RPGs.
This argument extends to consoles as well. A person buys console Z instead its competitor because it offers a higher perceived value. If the competitor performs poorly, there will be more support for console Z and future generations would follow the console Z value proposition.
Basic capitalism -- let the market decide. Thumbs up.
<--- PSWii60 owner
This argument extends to consoles as well. A person buys console Z instead its competitor because it offers a higher perceived value. If the competitor performs poorly, there will be more support for console Z and future generations would follow the console Z value proposition.
Basic capitalism -- let the market decide. Thumbs up.
<--- PSWii60 owner
OldJadedGamer
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wrowa said:Because this is GAFWe don't play games, we write about them.
I'd dare to say that the vast majority of GAF... myself included post on GAF when we aren't able to play games.
I can post to GAF at work, don't think my boss would like me shooting people in Battlefield during work hours.
Stoney Mason
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sh4mike said:
What an odd and weird thought process but then people on GAF never cease to surprise me.
DangerousDave
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Stoney Mason said:
I found It very honest.
I remember a lot of core Nintendo fans wanting Wii Music to bomb, because then Miyamoto will focus in more "classic" games, PS3 fanboys wanting Star Ocean to bomb to have a chance of going multiplatform, and 360 fanboys wanting Killzone 2 to bomb to... well, just for fun
Scythian Empire
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Stoney Mason
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DangerousDave said:I found It very honest.
I remember a lot of core Nintendo fans wanting Wii Music to bomb, because then Miyamoto will focus in more "classic" games, PS3 fanboys wanting Star Ocean to bomb to have a chance of going multiplatform, and 360 fanboys wanting Killzone 2 to bomb to... well, just for fun
My personal take is I hope everything succeeds but it is what it is. Because I don't play MMORPG's but I don't wish for them to fail. Because I have a 360 I don't wish for the PS3 to fail.(Although I certainly didn't want it to do gangbusters at $599) I sort of embrace the idea that diverse markets and competition is good for everybody.
DangerousDave
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Stoney Mason said:
But note that in the examples that i said, it's hoping a game to fail in order to have a benefit (a more classic game from Miyamoto, Star Ocean for PS3, etc). Obviously, wanting a game to bomb won't give you good karma points in Fallout 3, but a lot of people think in that way (even if they don't say it), not for some "evil" reason, only by selfishness.
Stoney Mason
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DangerousDave said:
There is no guarantee you will get a more "classic game" if a certain game fails than if an MMORPG fails you will suddenly get more games in a certain genre you like. I certainly understand the concept of not buying something to make a statement which I'm fine with. I just don't think it remotely works in the sort of simple manner that people make it seem like and seem to bask in which I see all the time on GAF when certain types threaten to boycott a certain game or not.