Laptop1991
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As a PC gamer, some of their videos have proved useful to me, RDR 2 for starters and The Control one, you never know what kind of port the PC is going to get, so DF videos have helped me at times.
You can't be serious right now? Are you going to actually deny the existence of the infamous and utterly pathetic Xbox Discord Group? Are you going to deny the amount of discord chat leaks and screenshots and whistleblowers and posts and banned members with multiple alts?
As far as DF goes, they have been infiltrated with something known as bias and for a journalist like DF, that shit will destroy a significant part of their credibility when it comes to reporting objective analysis.
That was probably because it came on the heels of the last gen where DF blew a losd over 360 having 10 more Ps than ps3 pretty consistently.Why do people no longer care when Sony no longer has the most powerful console? Do we remember the PS4 v One comparisons non stop getting spammed here at the time? No? Okay.
Are you planning something special for Command & Conquer Remastered?I don't post often on forums these days (anywhere) but I did want to say thank you for the mostly kind words. Obviously this stuff isn't for everyone but it's something I'm passionate about and love producing videos on. That's really all it is. I'm happy at least some other people enjoy it enough that I can do it. Especially the retro videos.
I don't want to tell people what to buy or not - I mostly focus on what I find interesting or important in a game. Not everyone is going to care or agree and that's OK. I just love games and I love talking about them.
I don't post often on forums these days (anywhere) but I did want to say thank you for the mostly kind words. Obviously this stuff isn't for everyone but it's something I'm passionate about and love producing videos on. That's really all it is. I'm happy at least some other people enjoy it enough that I can do it. Especially the retro videos.
I don't want to tell people what to buy or not - I mostly focus on what I find interesting or important in a game. Not everyone is going to care or agree and that's OK. I just love games and I love talking about them.
You can't be serious right now? Are you going to actually deny the existence of the infamous and utterly pathetic Xbox Discord Group? Are you going to deny the amount of discord chat leaks and screenshots and whistleblowers and posts and banned members with multiple alts?
As far as DF goes, they have been infiltrated with something known as bias and for a journalist like DF, that shit will destroy a significant part of their credibility when it comes to reporting objective analysis.
Because they're good at what they do
what the hell is thread, we found a reason to dislike DF now???????
I think we've spent too much time inside, people are getting way too twitchy around here
Because they're good at what they do
what the hell is thread, we found a reason to dislike DF now???????
I think we've spent too much time inside, people are getting way too twitchy around here
Get rid of the Alex guy and they can claim non biased.
Because there hasn't been any credible evidence of them being biased for one. So it's not surprising that people are dumbfounded that people are implying as such.Opinions?! On a forum?! WHAT????!!!!!!!!!
Translation: "I'm butthurt because they're not fellating my chunk of plastic and silicon of choice."Honestly, that's sort of what inspired this thread...it was the Phil Spencer tweet about them doing "good work." What work, exactly? They're foot fetish guys, but instead of the feet, it's checkerboard rendering and SSAO.
Translation: "I'm butthurt because they're not fellating my chunk of plastic and silicon of choice."
NeoGAF's still NeoGAF. Shocking.
Because people literally can't tell if one version of a game looks better than another without it. Seriously. It's dumb.
A ton of people can play half a game and think it looks fine, then see a DF video that says it has resolution or framerate issues, then they suddenly can't play the game anymore.
And, of course, console war ammo.
Digital Foundry is great. I have realized that those who don't like them tend to be people who didn't agree with them when saying one version is better than the other version because it simply didn't line up with their personal preference.
But where are they? Playing those games they love?
No. They're here. Desperately trying to push a narrative that no one notices the differences.
Ion Fury comes to mind. The reeraaa authoritarian's recently berated poor John over analysing the game. If DF didn't carry the clout they have, they'd have been cancelled over it by now. It's clearly wrong, but once the mob gets a target, no holds barred.I remember a specific instance when Eurogamer proper was going on about how sexist and embarrassing Dead or Alive is while Digital Foundry was measuring the frame rate for all the titty fighting action.
I wonder if they would ever refuse to do a technical review of a game because Eurogamer deemed the game too offensive.
Obviously they did a video on Dead or Alive because it's a mainstream title despite Eurogamer's objection to its content, so there is an implicit understanding that their readers are interested in such an embarrassing game. Does that make their readers embarrassing?
I remember a specific instance when Eurogamer proper was going on about how sexist and embarrassing Dead or Alive is while Digital Foundry was measuring the frame rate for all the titty fighting action.
I wonder if they would ever refuse to do a technical review of a game because Eurogamer deemed the game too offensive.
Obviously they did a video on Dead or Alive because it's a mainstream title despite Eurogamer's objection to its content, so there is an implicit understanding that their readers are interested in such an embarrassing game. Does that make their readers embarrassing?
Is there a worse argument than this? "You are wrong because you are here posting instead of playing games right now." How does that same logic not apply to your own argument?
But they make very different content from DF. DF is more about technical analysis videos about video games, their pc centric cpu/gpu reviews are not what DF is about. They still have those kinds of videos but it's not what DF is about. DF is about 3A games and techical reviews/analysis of those game. That's their core content. And gamers nexus is much more pc components focused.I'll say this: Richard Leadbetter is to my mind, one of the very few Journalists in the industry to have had a career long enough to say he's seen and done it all - I would take anything he says over some of the crap other outlets put out.
That being said, some of the DF output can be and is behind the curve of other outlets, especially in the aping of sites like Gamers Nexus, or Hardware Unboxed, which do far better analysis, and in the DF Retro stuff until very recently has lagged far behind ohter YT'ers and podcasts in terms of content - that's not to knock anyone, but let's be honest, every man and his dog is doing let's builds using crappy old tech found on ebay at the moment, it's practically a bloody meme.
I always tell people, tech channels are about a standard and consistency, you can't measure different games with different sticks based on who the developer is. What's good for the goose is good for the gander....
There's no need to go into specifics on various forms of bias in DF's videos over the years, mistakes made that favor XBOX are pretty consistent, for example, saying the grass was better in Grid on XBOX, when anybody watching saw that was not so, or saying SSAO on XBOX One was better than HBAO on PS4. Or the time in the PS3 days when the PS3 version which looked better than 360 was flipped over and represented as 360 screens.
In truth, no one wants DF to go under, people want DF to do better, cut out the bias and the obvious "mistakes", stop pandering to console wars for hits. Go deeper into the technicals, have a keener eye for details.....TBH, if I just want hard stats, there is no better source right now than VGtech, their data is more accurate and covers a larger sample of gameplay. DF interjects opinion most times rather than facts into the discussion and as have been said before, even misinterprets the objective data you can clearly see on the screen when they talk. Was it a mistake that a DF staff member did not know that Sea of Thieves was 900p on XBONES, too many of these mistakes are XBOX favored. Including apologetic analyses when they are dealing with weaker hardware in XBONES and Switch.
So we went from "games are a world away on 360 at +40P", to 900p vs 1080p is negligible this gen. We went from "does resolution really matter" articles to when XBONEX arrived, they proceeded to "Full Phat 4K gloating", we didn't get FULL HD gloating on PS4 in 2013 did we, all we got was an article on if resolution really matters. We went from the smoother FPS in Witcher 3 or AC unity on XBONES being the holy grail to countless games on PS4-PRO having higher framerates over XBONEX, less tearing as being called about par, or where they favored the XBOX versions with worse framerate on account of a higher resolution, but if an XBONES game has a 1 FPS frame advantage over PS4, even with lower rez in 2013 it was a conclusive win for XBONES, it would be repeated ad infinitum as a definitive and smoother way to play throughout the article. FYI, DF agreed heavily with Phil when he said "framerate is king" early on in the parite era, when XBOX had a few titles that had a better framerate. Then for the majority of titles where PS4 led on resolution+framerate+effects. It was all about "it looks good on all consoles, the experience is the same", basically apologetic analyses.....
Thing is, you don't go from being a 60fps junkie to being so apologetic for a platform that you tell me "Ryse was smooth and it never fell into the teens" when your own video showed otherwise. Tom Morgan had a aneurysm when a bloater fight fell to 50fps in TLOUR, but he is fine with XBONEX games with lower than low settings still falling below 30fps with tearing, you see, consistency in how you judge these titles is what matters......If DF always favored resolution, I'd be fine, if they always favored framerate I'd be fine, if resolution+effects+better framerates was always a world away and not negligible differences I'd be fine, but clearly that isn't so.
So it will be interesting what type of faceoffs we get next gen, personally I think DF had more formidable competition last gen in Lens of Truth. Not taking anything from NXgamer and Vgtech as I find their work superior, but lens of truth had much more of a presence against DF beyond the better analysis. NX and Vg does better work, but their presence/reach is not as good as Lens....Yet it cannot be understated the good work they are doing. Just look at how accurate, consistent and expanded Vgtech's pixel counting and frame data is. Also look at the last analysis done by both DF and NXgamer on LOU2. Whilst Leadbetter and company spent time taking digs at Vita, or saying LOU2's IQ is not as good without any comparison or reference points in that video. NX gave us a screen by screen breakdown of the improvements on LOU2's first trailer vs the final game, which is a marked improvement. These are the ATD details that you want in an analysis. People see what you are saying, without uttering things which nobody can corroborate "through visual form" in your video, less time on useless jokes on Vita or PS3's version of Bayonetta and more visual cues that explains what you are saying about the game in question. You watch these videos back to back and clearly, you will learn so much more from NX's video. These are the little things that needs to be improved, but more so the blatant bias and lack of a specific and consistent measuring stick for all faceoffs....
I always tell people, tech channels are about a standard and consistency, you can't measure different games with different sticks based on who the developer is. What's good for the goose is good for the gander....
There's no need to go into specifics on various forms of bias in DF's videos over the years, mistakes made that favor XBOX are pretty consistent, for example, saying the grass was better in Grid on XBOX, when anybody watching saw that was not so, or saying SSAO on XBOX One was better than HBAO on PS4. Or the time in the PS3 days when the PS3 version which looked better than 360 was flipped over and represented as 360 screens.
In truth, no one wants DF to go under, people want DF to do better, cut out the bias and the obvious "mistakes", stop pandering to console wars for hits. Go deeper into the technicals, have a keener eye for details.....TBH, if I just want hard stats, there is no better source right now than VGtech, their data is more accurate and covers a larger sample of gameplay. DF interjects opinion most times rather than facts into the discussion and as have been said before, even misinterprets the objective data you can clearly see on the screen when they talk. Was it a mistake that a DF staff member did not know that Sea of Thieves was 900p on XBONES, too many of these mistakes are XBOX favored. Including apologetic analyses when they are dealing with weaker hardware in XBONES and Switch.
So we went from "games are a world away on 360 at +40P", to 900p vs 1080p is negligible this gen. We went from "does resolution really matter" articles to when XBONEX arrived, they proceeded to "Full Phat 4K gloating", we didn't get FULL HD gloating on PS4 in 2013 did we, all we got was an article on if resolution really matters. We went from the smoother FPS in Witcher 3 or AC unity on XBONES being the holy grail to countless games on PS4-PRO having higher framerates over XBONEX, less tearing as being called about par, or where they favored the XBOX versions with worse framerate on account of a higher resolution, but if an XBONES game has a 1 FPS frame advantage over PS4, even with lower rez in 2013 it was a conclusive win for XBONES, it would be repeated ad infinitum as a definitive and smoother way to play throughout the article. FYI, DF agreed heavily with Phil when he said "framerate is king" early on in the parite era, when XBOX had a few titles that had a better framerate. Then for the majority of titles where PS4 led on resolution+framerate+effects. It was all about "it looks good on all consoles, the experience is the same", basically apologetic analyses.....
Thing is, you don't go from being a 60fps junkie to being so apologetic for a platform that you tell me "Ryse was smooth and it never fell into the teens" when your own video showed otherwise. Tom Morgan had a aneurysm when a bloater fight fell to 50fps in TLOUR, but he is fine with XBONEX games with lower than low settings still falling below 30fps with tearing, you see, consistency in how you judge these titles is what matters......If DF always favored resolution, I'd be fine, if they always favored framerate I'd be fine, if resolution+effects+better framerates was always a world away and not negligible differences I'd be fine, but clearly that isn't so.
So it will be interesting what type of faceoffs we get next gen, personally I think DF had more formidable competition last gen in Lens of Truth. Not taking anything from NXgamer and Vgtech as I find their work superior, but lens of truth had much more of a presence against DF beyond the better analysis. NX and Vg does better work, but their presence/reach is not as good as Lens....Yet it cannot be understated the good work they are doing. Just look at how accurate, consistent and expanded Vgtech's pixel counting and frame data is. Also look at the last analysis done by both DF and NXgamer on LOU2. Whilst Leadbetter and company spent time taking digs at Vita, or saying LOU2's IQ is not as good without any comparison or reference points in that video. NX gave us a screen by screen breakdown of the improvements on LOU2's first trailer vs the final game, which is a marked improvement. These are the ATD details that you want in an analysis. People see what you are saying, without uttering things which nobody can corroborate "through visual form" in your video, less time on useless jokes on Vita or PS3's version of Bayonetta and more visual cues that explains what you are saying about the game in question. You watch these videos back to back and clearly, you will learn so much more from NX's video. These are the little things that needs to be improved, but more so the blatant bias and lack of a specific and consistent measuring stick for all faceoffs....
I remember that. They were gushing over the engine and the retro style. You would never think the game had a controversy.Ion Fury comes to mind. The reeraaa authoritarian's recently berated poor John over analysing the game. If DF didn't carry the clout they have, they'd have been cancelled over it by now. It's clearly wrong, but once the mob gets a target, no holds barred.
I agree. Also love their retro stuff too!DF have been a breath of fresh air. Great to see mature, technical, well informed gaming content be so successful.
The question I've always had over DF being unbiased is who would Xbox (in the 360 era) have contracted to check the parity clauses they got publisher to sign? (presumably Ubisoft with AC were one of them) And then why wasn't there a public argument between DF and that contracted company about difference of opinions?
Is it plausible that DF were the company contracted to check the parity clause? Did xbox have a contract with another company that did that type of work to do the job, instead?
If it was DFs job; even if the PS3 version of games were better, so long as they said it was worse or the same they'd have no issue with their contract. I would assume.