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Why does Apple wait so long to introduce features present in other products?

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@stephen Colbert - agree 95%. however leaving out bluray/optical disc drive stops sharing via media and indirectly inconvieniences people to a point where they say screw it - ill just drop a dollar on this song/movie, and this one, and this one and before you know it they've bought 100+ things...

Apple is just very selective in what interests they pursue and try to be a leader in that market... they've targeted china but not india... they target music, books, games. they aren't just going to be game changing for the sake of being game changing because if it ain't broken don't fix it.

the iphone 5 reveal was kinda destroyed by all the leaks prior to the event. unfortunately people who have remarked its just like a '4' haven't taken that into account. the iphone 5 is a very sleek phone that doesn't quite show until you have one in your hand because it 'looks' more or less the same... but when you look back at the 4/4s form factor it looks incredibly stumpy. there's going to be heaps of people who will get the phone and the share price has gone up 3% since the reveal when it usually goes down after the event.
 
So what does a "modern" smartphone UI look like?

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I know most responses are going to be something along the lines of a slow stream of features is a sure way to (for apple) turn a really large profit.

Personally, though, I think that at their core Apple believes, rightly or wrongly, that they can design a far superior user experience on each feature than their competition if given enough time to research, develop, and implement. I tend to agree with their methodology, as, until recently, the glut of "features" released for Android presented such a cluster of rushed or poorly designed ideas that it made the OS neigh unusable for me.

I say "until recently" though as Google's latest release is a pretty strong competitor in terms of UX, and I feel like Apple should be thoroughly worried about it.
 
What hurdles exactly?

Getting the hardware to use it in place, getting banks and merchants to agree on some standards, public adoption (The vast majority of people don't have a clue what NFC is or why they should care).

I read earlier today that less than 2% of the merchants in the world have NFC integrated in their establishments. That's a small, but promising number. NFC in an iPhone 5S next year will make more sense, provided they system continues to progress.
 
Apple's implementation of NFC isn't ready yet.

They just purchased a company that will be integral to their payment system this year.

It's not a conspiracy or an evil plot. It will be in the iPhone when it's ready. They spent three years working on their mapping solution, for example.
 
Because they want to make those features work well instead of half-assed. Like NFC.

NFC is a global open standard - they can't produce anything that would "improve" on NFC. At best they will come up with better solutions on top of NFC.
 
People post this a lot as an example of "modern," but if that's modern, then I'd rather stay in the far more functional past.

Well, I agree. The only reason I'm still awake is to preorder my iphone 5. That said, Windows phone looks much more modern than ios.
 
Getting the hardware to use it in place, getting banks and merchants to agree on some standards, public adoption (The vast majority of people don't have a clue what NFC is or why they should care).

I read earlier today that less than 2% of the merchants in the world have NFC integrated in their establishments. That's a small, but promising number. NFC in an iPhone 5S next year will make more sense, provided they system continues to progress.
The problem isn't the tech. The problem is the business dealings. Too many people want a cut of transactions.

NFC is old hat, and were to Apple introduce something new, they'd just fuck up the adoption of NFC even further.
 
People post this a lot as an example of "modern," but if that's modern, then I'd rather stay in the far more functional past.

How is that not functional? It's look pretty streamlined to me since everything is immediately available to you.
 
The problem isn't the tech. The problem is the business dealings. Too many people want a cut of transactions.

NFC is old hat, and were to Apple introduce something new, they'd just fuck up the adoption of NFC even further.
Looks like Mastercard are rolling out their PayPass mobile thing in more countries by the end of the year. Sweet! Guess didnt need Apple to drive it after all :P
 
On paper, comparisons between Apple and <insert here> products seem rather one sided. In practice, there's only one that I can stand using, however.

Spec sheet comparisons are moot.

Because like Chuck Norris, Apple waits for the right moment to strike, rather than go in all flash and no smash.

Chuck Norris...yes.
 
Apple's implementation of NFC isn't ready yet.

They just purchased a company that will be integral to their payment system this year.

It's not a conspiracy or an evil plot. It will be in the iPhone when it's ready. They spent three years working on their mapping solution, for example.

Yikes, that's what they came up with in 3 years?
 
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I think the windows phone's home screen is very attractive. I've never actually used one though.

It is very attractive, the design aesthetic is great. However, for ease of use that's another story altogether.
 
Tobor's theory makes the most sense.

They introduced Passbook in early June, huge NFC signal.

NFC was in the EVT model (early July), two models behind the final production model.

Apple buys Authentec in late July, who was working on this:
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NFC disappears from final production model.

Fingerprint-activated NFC to come in the future?
 
Swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe.
So swiping side-to-side = great, but swiping up-and-down=bad? Or is it the fact that you have less possible tiles on the initial screen than apps on the iOS homescreen? I suppose that's a valid criticism, I just don't personally use more than 5-10 apps on a daily basis.

Are identically sized and coloured squares easier to identify
Well ideally you'd be able to differentiate by the large, high-contrast icons on them.
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Fuck, they all look the same! Which one is the phone app!?
 
So swiping side-to-side = great, but swiping up-and-down=bad? Or is it the fact that you have less possible tiles on the initial screen than apps on the iOS homescreen? I suppose that's a valid criticism, I just don't personally use more than 5-10 apps on a daily basis.

I don't like the multitasking implementation. I can get to any of the past 8 recently opened apps with 1 swipe on the iPhone.
 
Well, I agree. The only reason I'm still awake is to preorder my iphone 5. That said, Windows phone looks much more modern than ios.

What defines modern? Is modern even a compliment or a good thing?

How is that not functional? It's look pretty streamlined to me since everything is immediately available to you.

How is everything not immediately available on an iPhone, for example.

I really don't understand the point of differently sized icons or tiles. I also don't really understand the point of wanting your tiles and icons to randomly cycle through background images (pictures app, "people" app). It could get confusing.
 
I don't like the multitasking implementation. I can get to any of the past 8 recently opened apps with 1 swipe on the iPhone.
I don't disagree that iOS' multitasking implementation is better than Windows Phone's (I personally prefer Android 3.0+'s), it's just funny that you choose that after your initial description of "swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe" since multitasking is accessed through a long-press on the windows button.
 
I don't disagree that iOS' multitasking implementation is better than Windows Phone's (I personally prefer Android 3.0+'s), it's just funny that you choose that after your initial description of "swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe" since multitasking is accessed through a long-press on the windows button.

And then how many swipes to get to the 5th recently used app? With iOS, I don't need to swipe until I want my 6th most recently used app. And the second swipe is for apps 10-13.
 
Each Apple iteration sells 50+ million. Whatever they introduce becomes the de-facto standard and baseline over night.
Easier to take risks when your upper ceiling of sales is a couple of million per iteration.
 
taking my outstanding, anecdotal experience with siri aside, it is a beta service. i don't think it would really qualify.

I don't see the word beta anywhere near it, while it is a service that is constantly being updated they have marketed siri in a light that makes it seem a lot better than what it actually is.
 
These exchanges are entertaining. Cant help but be reminded about the pre multitasking days of ios.

That was when I jailbroke to enable multitasking that was not as good as the current implementation.


I don't see the word beta anywhere near it, while it is a service that is constantly being updated they have marketed siri in a light that makes it seem a lot better than what it actually is.
Nowhere near it?

http://www.apple.com/ios/siri/
 
Also NFC has more uses than payments. Currently it can be used to initiate file transfering (something iPhone needs desperatly) and for NFC tags. Also for pairing with accesories.

Truth is that they will make money anyhow so there is no need to take risks.

It baffles me that I can't do basic things like attaching a file ftom within an email or that I can't change apps for stuff like music or keyboard...
 
Does anyone here have a Wall Street Journal account?

I'm looking to buy one of these but I'm wondering which features I'd be missing out on...

Can Apple stay ahead? The iPhone 5 is missing a long list of features the other guys have.
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I can use NFC all over the place in the UK to pay for things (assuming they're below a certain cost). Most of the new chip and pin readers support it.

Don't exaggerate it mate. I can only think of a few places so far.

Department stores and supermarkets haven't taken it up (as far as I am aware) and they are going to be the turning point in all of this.

Also, isn't it only Visa only cards with the ability? Or more?

Edit* I see a few more places are rolling it out,mike the post office, but I most certainly wouldn't say it is all over the place, yet

That's what apple are doing. Waiting on things to mature so it benefits the general consumer. From a simple google search it seems that most of the people complaining that it doesn't have NFC are tech blogs so far. I have an NFC card and only used it in Mc Donald's. The Burger Kings I go to don't even have NFC yet in the UK

As for wireless charging. SMH
 
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