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Why does the PS3 and 360 output similar graphics?

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saladine1

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This is in no way meant to start a childish 'war' of some kind, but instead is a legit query I need clarified.

I remember a time.. long, long ago, where the PS3 was touted to be a powerhouse of some sort, generating '1000fps' at '3080p', producing graphics to rival Pixar and to render time and space in 4D and all it's glory.

Exaggeration on my part indeed, but after all this time, why are the 'hardcore' consoles so similar in the output of graphics?

Is it a case of 3rd party developers not upsetting another console maker thus creating similar productions?

Is the hardware used on each console equally similar?

Or was it just another hyped up promise that fell through?

Questions, questions......I need answers!
 
1) ps3 hardware complexity
2) multiplatformism

but you can say what you want, there is no game on 360 comes even close the Uncharted.
 
saladine1 said:
I remember a time.. long, long ago, where the PS3 was touted be a powerhouse of some sort, generating '1000fps' at '3080p', producing graphics to rival Pixar and to render time and space in 4D and all it's glory.
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Pre-release hype, nothing more. Sony's speciality.
 
carlosp said:
but you can say what you want, there is no game on 360 comes even close the Uncharted.
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Riiiight :lol

Love how you lock it down as fact too. What's up with people thinking they write reality around here? It's fucked up.
 
saladine1 said:
This is in no way meant to start a childish 'war' of some kind, but instead is a legit query I need clarified.

I remember a time.. long, long ago, where the PS3 was touted be a powerhouse of some sort, generating '1000fps' at '3080p', producing graphics to rival Pixar and to render time and space in 4D and all it's glory.
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No way to start a war and you post this comment? Where do you read this shit? Ps3 is a powerfull console but don't confuse the promotion with the real performance...
 
saladine1 said:
This is in no way meant to start a childish 'war' of some kind, but instead is a legit query I need clarified.

I remember a time.. long, long ago, where the PS3 was touted to be a powerhouse of some sort, generating '1000fps' at '3080p', producing graphics to rival Pixar and to render time and space in 4D and all it's glory.

Exaggeration on my part indeed, but after all this time, why are the 'hardcore' consoles so similar in the output of graphics?

Is it a case of 3rd party developers not upsetting another console maker thus creating similar productions?

Is the hardware used on each console equally similar?

Or was it just another hyped up promise that fell through?

Questions, questions......I need answers!
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Yeah right.

I'm sure you didn't mean to start a childish war with this incredibly childish topic that surely could have no good come from it.
 
Psychotext said:
Pre-release hype, nothing more. Sony's speciality.
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The PS3 situation was the only time they actually mislead people, though. All of their other tech demos for previous consoles were actually running on the real hardware and were all matched by real software. Only with PS3 did they actually pull out a bunch of CG trailers.
 
multiplatform development, simple.

but .. if you take the best examples of each genre on each platform .. you can see some obvious differences imo.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Riiiight :lol

Love how you lock it down as fact too. What's up with people thinking they write reality around here? It's fucked up.
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To him it is fact.

The game to him is the prettiest game that is fact, but it's not fact that it's the prettiest game. But to him it is prettiest game, but not to him it isn't the not prettiest game fact of game pretty him it is.
 
WrikaWrek said:
Riiiight :lol

Love how you lock it down as fact too. What's up with people thinking they write reality around here? It's fucked up.
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Probably he exagerates but how many games has the graphic comparable of uncharted? Not many...
 
Private Hoffman said:
Yeah right.

I'm sure you didn't mean to start a childish war with this incredibly childish topic that surely could have no good come from it.
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Its not a childish topic, it just leads to a childish discussion like this.
 
Private Hoffman said:
Yeah right.

I'm sure you didn't mean to start a childish war with this incredibly childish topic that surely could have no good come from it.
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What makes it childish?
I asked a sincere question, embellished with exaggeration to hit home a point.
If people respond with childish comments and answers then that's their prerogative, not mine.
 
okrim said:
Probably he exagerates but how many games has the graphic comparable of uncharted? Not many...
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Uhm, what's the value of his statement then? There are none but some 360 games that look better than Uncharted? I don't see how this relates to the topic. Maybe he should post in an Uncharted-praise-thread instead then?

And @Carlo: Viva Pinata 1&2, Banjo (yeah not released yet, but almost ^^), Gears of War... Uncharted doesn't look any better than the top of the 360.
 
carlosp said:
1) ps3 hardware complexity
2) multiplatformism

but you can say what you want, there is no game on 360 comes even close the Uncharted.
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Gears of War comes close I'd say (I prefer Uncharted's look more though). Assassin's Creed looks even better.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
To him it is fact.

The game to him is the prettiest game that is fact, but it's not fact that it's the prettiest game. But to him it is prettiest game, but not to him it isn't the not prettiest game fact of game pretty him it is.
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haha great answer.

Well what is actually a fact? Lets say fact is equal to knowledge. Now what is knowledge? Plato says knowledge is a justified opinion. now how can i justify my opinion that uncharted is the prettiest game? Well I have eyes which make me able to see and I see that uncharted is the prettiest game. For that reason my opinion is justified by the fact that I am able to see uncharted and recognition its beauteousness. So i have an opionion and this opinion is justified by my ability to see. Since both premise for knowledge are true, it can be considered as knowledge and like we said before, knowledge is equal to fact.

:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
carlosp said:
haha great answer.

Well what is actually a fact? Lets say fact is equal to knowledge. Now what is knowledge? Plato says knowledge is a justified opinion. now how can i justify my opinion that uncharted is the prettiest game? Well I have eyes which make me able to see and I see that uncharted is the prettiest game. For that reason my opinion is justified by the fact that I am able to see uncharted and recognition its beauteousness. So i have an opionion and this opinion is justified by my ability to see. Since both premise for knowledge are true, it can be considered as knowledge and like we said before, knowledge is equal to fact.

:lol :lol :lol :lol
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I disagree with your initial premise and thus your entire argument collapses.

Man, I could really go for a BBQ pork sandwich. :(
 
carlosp said:
1) ps3 hardware complexity
2) multiplatformism

but you can say what you want, there is no game on 360 comes even close the Uncharted.
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If you'd have said Wipeout HD, then we might have been in agreement.

However, really it comes down to the developer too. If ND had made Uncharted for the ground-up for 360, who knows how it would've turned out, eh? SCE have first-class devs when it comes to the technical stuff. They had to have - they used to have to program for the PS2.
 
If you take the best parts in the market at the time to make the best graphical performance (to within reasonable financial expenditure), and your competitor does the same thing, it's a sure-fire conclusion that the output is going to be similar. That's exactly why the 360 and PS3 looks largely the same.

As for X game on V console looking better than Y game on Z console, that's an entirely subjective debate and one that doesn't really add to the question of why the two consoles have similar outputs for the most part.
 
Truant said:
Uncharted looks good. Gears looks good. Crysis looks good. A lot of games look good.
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This. Honestly, as much as I like Uncharted, the fanboyism for it on this board is really annoying at times. Quit derailing threads.
 
tirant said:
There are differences:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=246129
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Zing!

Reality is, 360 has a better graphics card and superior RAM setup. PS3 is a floating point beast. 360 has more available RAM too.

PS3 games to work really well need to be built at an extremely low leve. In part this is l due to worse tools than on 360. In part it's because the CPU is unlike anything on the market, so "old ways" just don't work. The output is PS3 exclusives are much harder to make, but end up looking amazing if given the TLC they need.

360 games on the other hand work very well using conventional techniques. There's no equivalent of an Insomniac working on 360 pushing it at a low level, which means the games lack the visual finesse you tend to see on something like Uncharted. Rare are the closest to date, but they haven't put out anything super amazing to date.

In my mind, Assassin's Creed is still the best looking game this gen. An amazing feat, and I hope the engine is going to get a bit more use.

That's the way I see it, at least.
 
I personally don't think Uncharted is the best looking game(MGS4 for me). It is up there though but if you going to :lol at the assertion that it is the best, shouldn't you give an example of a game that is better looking.
 
Tormentoso said:
I also remember the xbox been 300 million polygons.:lol
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i remember the robot CG (raven i think) one before and one after (real time) big diff
cant find pics
 
gtj1092 said:
I personally don't think Uncharted is the best looking game(MGS4 for me). It is up there though but if you going to :lol at the assertion that it is the best, shouldn't you give an example of a game that is better looking.
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I do think MGS4 looks as good(although lacking in texture quality in comparison to Uncharted). But one thing to note is that Nate is composed of 30k polygons and MGS4 models of 5-10k. Amazing what good art can do and something those Japanese developers have always had an edge in imo.
 
PARANO1A said:
Zing!

Reality is, 360 has a better graphics card and superior RAM setup. PS3 is a floating point beast. 360 has more available RAM too.

PS3 games to work really well need to be built at an extremely low leve. In part this is l due to worse tools than on 360. In part it's because the CPU is unlike anything on the market, so "old ways" just don't work. The output is PS3 exclusives are much harder to make, but end up looking amazing if given the TLC they need.

360 games on the other hand work very well using conventional techniques. There's no equivalent of an Insomniac working on 360 pushing it at a low level, which means the games lack the visual finesse you tend to see on something like Uncharted. Rare are the closest to date, but they haven't put out anything super amazing to date.

In my mind, Assassin's Creed is still the best looking game this gen. An amazing feat, and I hope the engine is going to get a bit more use.

That's the way I see it, at least.
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In reality Uncharted is the best looking console game to date,(my opinion many consider it a fact) But i think Kilzone 2 will be the king once it comes out.

In reality multiplatform games hardly show what a console is capable off,always exlcusive content is what does the trick,but you have to wonder how much better is the xbox 360 GPU or if it really is,and if the 10 extra MB of ram the 360 has are really helping.

Since the xbox 360 is already showing 3rd generation games than don't surpase a 1st to 2nd gen PS3 game like Uncharted.And while i thin AC is a great looking game,for me is not actually the best looking one.
 
Yoshi said:
And @Carlo: Viva Pinata 1&2, Banjo (yeah not released yet, but almost ^^), Gears of War... Uncharted doesn't look any better than the top of the 360.
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uh?! 360 fanboy? probably the new gow will be better (in one year the tecnologies grows, is normal, ) but don't joke uncharted are one of the best graphic and viva pinata or the first gow aren't better.
 
tirant said:
There are differences:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=246129
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Yes, there are:

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Sonys hype machine at work

Remember the "emotion engine" crap before PS2? The PS3 Cell-hype was as much bullshit

The machines are comparable in strength with the 360 having a more modern/faster GPU and more available RAM and PS3 more CPU power (floating point calulations) when used correctly.

I believe they are within 10% of each other overall
 
Graf Nudu said:
Yes, there are:

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Well done using a PC shot for your PS3 shot, there's not a single console game with the IQ that those early Mirrors Edge shots have, they were all from the PC build no matter what they were labeled as.
 
brain_stew said:
Well done using a PC shot for your PS3 shot, there's not a single console game with the IQ that those early Mirrors Edge shots have, they were all from the PC build no matter what they were labeled as.
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Sure about that? Game has been demoed entirely on the PS3 and there were clearly jaggies in the released screenshots so they weren't high res bullshots.
 
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