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[DonasaurusRex]

because its foreshadowing a coincidence , he looks just like those mannequins when not disguised. This thread deserves a neo-gaf .gif

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

I actually had a random Terminator dream last night. It was CG Arnie from Salvation chasing me. That awful movie still haunts my dreams.

 

[Apoc29]

I don't understand why Skynet didn't just send the T-1000 back to the same point in time they sent the first Terminator. They could have worked together to kill Sarah. Plus that way Kyle and Sarah would have been trying to get away from the good version of Arnie since he looks exactly like the bad one. WOuld have been harder for him to protect her.

That's not how time travel works. They can't just say, "Oh, in retrospect, we should've sent TWO terminators..." because after the first time they failed and John Connor went on to kick their asses or something and they never sent the T800 in the first place.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

That's not how time travel works. They can't just say, "Oh, in retrospect, we should've sent TWO terminators..." because after the first time they failed and John Connor went on to kick their asses or something and they never sent the T800 in the first place.

What?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

That's not how time travel works. They can't just say, "Oh, in retrospect, we should've sent TWO terminators..." because after the first time they failed and John Connor went on to kick their asses or something and they never sent the T800 in the first place.

 

[angular graphics]

What?

I think what he means is along the lines that before Skynet lost it managed to sent two Terminators back in time, one before Connor was born and another when he was a kid.

They didn't sent one, waited to see if he accomplished his mission (if that's even possible) and then decided to send a second one at a later point in time; no. They sent two Terminators in two different points in time to make sure.

I mean I think that's what happened.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

What?

the timeline that decided to send the first T800 was altered so they couldnt sit and see what happens then react , they got changed , skynet basically had a tiered approach, if john connor and or the resistance still existed send the T800, still a resistance or john connor? send the T1000, still a resistance ? send the TX. The target changes in the 3rd one but i refuse to acknowledge that movie so ignore that. But everything they knew when they sent the 1st one is changed cause john lives, their expectation is sarah would die, but they arent watching on a monitor so they try another counter measure, especially since the humans also send someone back and foil the machines plot to stop the birth.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

I think what he means is along the lines that before Skynet lost it managed to sent two Terminators back in time, one before Connor was born and another when he was a kid.

They didn't sent one, waited to see if he accomplished his mission (if that's even possible) and then decided to send a second one at a later point of time; no. They sent two Terminators in two different points in time to make sure.

I mean I think that's what happened.

That's not what happened according to both T1 and T2. It was established in T1 that the only one Terminator was sent back and only one protector was sent back. At the start of T2 it was established the T-1000 was sent back at a later point. "As before" were Sarah's words.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

they covered that as best they could. John asks why they didn't send back a bomb. Nuke the city and then theres no movie.

Encase the bomb in a living layer of flesh

They could have easily circumvented that bay saying the time travel device decrease the half-life of nuclear material, so any attempt to send back a nuke would result in the time travel device exploding at their end rather than sending the bomb back.

 

[DeadTrees]

Ridiculous.

Wait till you think about the odds of getting into a massive highway wreck, and getting out with easy access to a tanker filled with liquid nitrogen and an active steel mill.

 

[Ostinatto]

why the doc (Dr. Emmett Brown), has to go the future to save Martin McFly, Jr.?
he could easily warned marty in 1985 (at the end of BTTF 1)

 

[Apoc29]

T1: Skynet A sends T800 to kill Sarah Connor. T800 fails.

T2: John Connor is born, Skynet B still gets created but they don't "remember" that Skynet A sent back a T800 because it happened before Skynet B was born.

I suppose the only plausible way Skynet B would "know" about that event is by getting a hold of the information Kyle told the police or Sarah told the psychiatrist and then decide to capitalize on it, but that's kind of a stretch.

 

[.GqueB.]

It was foreshadowing...

 

[Commander Jameson]

why the doc (Dr. Emmett Brown), has to go the future to save Martin McFly, Jr.?
he could easily warned marty in 1985 (at the end of BTTF 1)

I think that was to reduce the impact of any change to that specific moment. You tell Marty in 1985 about his whole life, who knows what the impact will be over 30 years... like ripples in a pond.

 

[angular graphics]

That's not what happened according to both T1 and T2. It was established in T1 that the only one Terminator was sent back and only one protector was sent back. At the start of T2 it was established the T-1000 was sent back at a later point. "As before" were Sarah's words.

I don't think so.

In T1 it's established only one Terminator and only one protector was sent back because they didn't have a sequel in mind (or didn't think how that would play out).

The movie begins

"LOS ANGELES 2029 A.D.

THE MACHINES ROSE FROM THE ASHES OF THE NUCLEAR FIRE.

THEIR WAR TO EXTERMINATE MANKIND HAS RAGED FOR DECADES,

BUT THE FINAL BATTLE WOULD NOT BE FOUGHT IN THE FUTURE.

IT WOULD BE FOUGHT HERE, IN OUR PRESENT.

TONIGHT...

LOS ANGELES 1984 1 :52a.m."

We all know this wasn't the final battle so the very premise of the movie has been retconned.

Regardless;

Why didn't the computer just kill Connor then? Why this elaborate scheme with the Terminator?

It had no choice. Their defence grid was smashed. We'd won. Taking out Connor then would make no difference. Skynet had to wipe out his entire existence.

Is that when you captured the lab complex and found... What is it called? The time displacement equipment?

That's right. The Terminator had already gone through.

Connor sent me to intercept and they blew the whole place.

Now you see, Connor sent Reese in the past and Reese believes they blew up the place, but he can't possibly know it for sure because he didn't witness it.

Now here's T2's revised premise:

VOICE (SARAH CONNOR)
Skynet, the computer which controlled the machines,
sent two terminators back through time. Their
mission: to destroy the leader of the human
Resistance... John Connor. My son.

The first terminator was programmed to strike at
me, in the year 1984... before John was born.
It failed.

The second was set to strike at John himself,
when he was still a child. As before, the
Resistance was able to send a lone warrior. A
protector for John. It was just a question of
which one of them would reach him first...

The "as before" is from Sarah's PoV who lives in the PAST compared to our PoV where we just witnessed a part of the Future War. From our Future PoV these events could take place one after another; from Sarah's PoV there had been years between the two attacks.

From Future Connor's PoV:

Skynet sends a Terminator in 80s.
Sends a Terminator in 90s.
Resistance destroys SkyNet.
They sent Reese in 80s.
They sent a reprogrammed Terminator in 90s.

From Sarah's PoV:

A Terminator comes to kill her in the 80s.
Reese comes to protect her.
.
.
.
Years later
.
.
.
A Terminator comes to kill her son in the 90s.
A reprogrammed Terminator comes to protect him.

Here is part of the T2 script that was cut because it was too expensive to film. It's pretty amazing. It's a prequel to T1.. and T2.. showing from our future PoV these events took place one after another. John did not blow Skynet to pieces after he sent Reese back in time; he also sent a reprogrammed Terminator. One after the other.

INT. CORRIDOR

This place was designed by machines for machines. The
architecture is alien, without aesthetics, without even
such human basics as doorknobs and lights. Connor leads
the team past more frozen terminator endoskeletons,
deactivated like the ones on the surface.

CONNOR (V.O.)
All these machines were controlled
by a kind of God, a low-rent self-
appointed God called Skynet. Skynet
was a supercomputer built for
strategic defense back in the
Nineties. Today we destroyed it in
its fortress in the Colorado Rockies,
and all its toys stopped...

As they continue on, they pass other teams of guerrilla
soldiers.

CONNOR (V.O.)
This place is one of Skynet's toys.
A machine built by machines.It is
like nothing which has ever existed
before... the first tactical time
weapon. Before today, no human had
seen this place, but I've been here
in my dreams many times. All my
life I've tried to imagine what it
would look like. Now I'm actually
here...


INT. TIME DISPLACEMENT CHAMBER

Vault-like doors open. Connor strides through with
authority and purpose. He is saluted smartly by everyone
he encounters, though he wears no insignia of rank.

There is a bustle of hurried activity here. The chamber
is the size of a high-school gym and consist totally of
machine surfaces. Nothing in the design makes any sense.
We can't tell what anything does. It is a technology we
cannot imagine.

CONNOR (V.O.)
Skynet, being almost infinitely
smart, was also infinitely tricky.
It knew it was losing, so it thought
of a way to rig the game...

Technicians have pulled up floor panels and tapped
directly into cabling of the machine, using portable
terminals that they have wheeled in. Many of the soldiers
in this war against machines are technical specialists...
you have to fight fire with fire.

CONNOR (V.O.)
And now, though we've won the war,
there is still one battle left to
fight. The most important one. It
will be fought in the past, almost
four decades ago... before all this
began... See, the only problem with
time travel is... it ain't over even
when it's over.

At the far end of the room, a young soldier stands
surrounded by a team of technicians. KYLE REESE. Sarah
Connor's defender, teacher, and lover in the first film.
A simple soldier who is about to walk point-blank into the
gaping maw of history. At the moment, he is the center of
activity. As he finishes stripping off his battle
uniform, the techs begin smearing his body with a
conductive so the time-field will follow his outline.

Reese looks around at all the activity. Battle and the
prospect of death have never scared him. But the
importance of what he is about to do terrifies him.

The techs move aside and suddenly John Connor is standing
beside him. Connor... their grim messiah. Their leader.
He fixes Reese with an intense gaze. There is so much he
wants to say, but cannot bring himself to. Finally Reese
speaks.

REESE
Did you know I'd be the one who
volunteered?

Connor nods.

CONNOR
I've always known. Sarah told me.

Reese nods. Suddenly understanding everything.

REESE
That's why you moved me to your
unit? Kept me so close.

Connor shrugs enigmatically.
One of the techs interrupts them

TECH
We're ready, Sergeant.

THREE ENORMOUS CHROME RINGS, one inside the other, are
suspended in a circular hole in the center of the room's
floor. John and Reese approach them.

Reese steps onto the first ring. It bobs under his
weight. We see that the rings are freely floating in a
magnetic field. Reese steps to the inner ring and looks
into the hole. A vast echoing darkness below. He looks
back at John. The messiah is waiting for him to step into
the bottomless pit.

CONNOR
Sometimes you have to put your faith
in the machine.

Reese takes a breath, then steps into open space and is
buoyed up by an unseen field of force. He floats in the
middle of the rings. The techs start the time
displacement sequence.

THE RINGS BEGIN TO MOVE, slowly rotating around each other
on different axis like some complex gyroscope.

THE FLOOR BEGINS TO SPLIT OPEN, like wedges in a pie which
begin to pull back from the center. The rings are

spinning faster now, suspended in space in the middle of
the receding floor wedges. The rings begin to descend.

JOHN AND REESE LOCK EYES as they move apart. Reese is
dropping into an unbelievably vast circular space... the
time-field generator. John watches him go, until Reese is
a tiny figure. The rings are spinning so rapidly now they
almost disappear, becoming a sphere of whirling steel.
Technicians pull John back from the edge.

LIGHTNING BEGINS TO ARC across the vast room below. A
huge charge of energy is building up. Everyone takes
cover behind blast walls they have set up. They put on
goggles like they used to do at A-bomb tests. This is
going to be big.

The chamber below has become a Hell of energy with Reese
at its center. The drone and crackle of the machines
builds to thunder, there is a BLINDING FLASH OF LIGHT!

When the glare fades the floating rings are empty. They
slow to a stop, seared and smoking. Reese is gone.

FUENTES, one of the officers, turns to Connor.

FUENTES
Now what happens to Reese? I mean,
what did happen?

Connor's gaze seems far away from this time and place.

CONNOR
He accomplishes his mission and in
doing so, he dies.

FUENTES
He is a good soldier.

Connor solemnly nods.
CONNOR
Yes... He's also my father.

FUENTES
Mother of God!

Fuentes stares at Connor in amazement. He has just been
given a glimpse into his leader's private Hell. Connor
turns from the smoking chamber. He seems suddenly ten
years old as his features drain of strength, shoulders
sagging.

Fuentes shouts an order to a waiting Sapper team.

FUENTES
Sapper team. Set your charges.
Let's blow this place back to Hell.

Connor shakes his head no. Mustering his strength.

CONNOR
Not yet. There's one more thing we
have to do.

TIGHT ON MASSIVE DOORS OF STEEL, covered with a thin sheet
of ice. Locking bolts slam back. Ice shatters like glass
as the doors begin to open. We are in--


INT. COLD STORAGE FACILITY

Connor walks into the darkness, followed by a few
technicians. They are in a vault-like cold-storage room.
Hanging in steel racks from ceiling tracks are hundreds of
what appear to be men. They are in rows of ten. Within
each row, each of the bodies are absolutely identical.

Connor signals the techs to remain by the door and walks
out among the dark bodies. They are UNACTIVATED
TERMINATORS. He stops at a row in which they are
identical to the terminator which was sent to kill Sarah
(the Arnold model).

He walks to the end of the row. There is one empty rack.

He faces the terminator in the next rack. Its eyes are
closed.

John seems distant as he studies that face.
Fuentes enters the chamber, pushing past the technicians.
Calls for his leader in the darkness.

FUENTES
John?... John?...

TIGHT ON CONNOR, his face pensive as Fuentes calls his
name. Fuentes voice slowly dissolves to ANOTHER VOICE. A
woman's. Echoing as though from a great distance...

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I don't understand why Skynet didn't just send the T-1000 back to the same point in time they sent the first Terminator. They could have worked together to kill Sarah. Plus that way Kyle and Sarah would have been trying to get away from the good version of Arnie since he looks exactly like the bad one. WOuld have been harder for him to protect her.

I've heard before (can't remember where so don't know if true) the liquid metal idea was something Cameron wanted to do in the original, but it just wasn't possible back then, especially on their budget.

Story-wise, isn't the T1000 a prototype? So, it could have simply not existed when Arnold-1 and Kyle were sent back.

I'm way more bothered by the dumb requirements for time travel.
Makes no sense whatsoever.

One of my favorite things about Cameron is that he has no problem using the "it's a movie" excuse. He comes up with good enough reasons, throws them out there, and moves on. But, he isn't afraid of doing things simply because it'd be awesome.

I remember him defending something about Aliens, and he gave his short explanation, but then summarized at the end something along the lines of "it's a movie and I thought it'd be awesome..." which is good enough reasoning for me as long as every part of your movie isn't that (Michael Bay).

There also really aren't a lot of answers in the first two Terminator movies. He stays vague enough for the viewer to come up with their own theories. Which is why you see multiple people in this thread stating their views as facts. When in reality:

Kyle Reese: You go naked. Something about the field generated by a living organism. Nothing dead will go.

Dr. Silberman: Why?

Kyle Reese: I didn't build the fucking thing!

Is all there is to it.

 

[angular graphics]

I've heard before (can't remember where so don't know if true) the liquid metal idea was something Cameron wanted to do in the original, but it just wasn't possible back then, especially on their budget.

Story-wise, isn't the T1000 a prototype? So, it could have simply not existed when Arnold-1 and Kyle were sent back.

As I've shown in my above post "Arnold-1" and the T-1000 were sent moments before Kyle.

- T1 establishes Arnold-1 was sent back in time moments before Skynet was destroyed and then Connor sent Reese.
- T2 establishes Skynet also sent T-1000. But how could Skynet sent something back in time if it was destroyed after it sent Arnold-1? Only possible explanation: it sent them one after the other and then it was destroyed.
- A scene cut from the T2 script confirms the whole thing.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Your theory might have been correct if not for one thing. Terminator 3 extablished Skynet was not destroyed in 2029 as Kyle Reese thought. In T3 it was established that the war with Skynet was still going on in 2032. It's very possible Skynet had some sort of backup system or something and were simply not totally destroyed like Kyle Reese thought when he was sent back. Based on this we can assume that the original Terminator, T-1000 and the T-X were sent back at totally different points during the war, and not simply one after the other.

 

[Oersted]

The actual question still is why they always send just one Terminator back. I know, movie reasons.

 

[SystemShock2]

T2 rewatch for the 30th time? T2 rewatch for the 30th time.

Yeah I'm watching this again tonight. I don't remember that scene.

 

[Ingueferroque]

It's supposed to be funny. It's a movie?

 

[Sub_Level]

Your theory might have been correct if not for one thing. Terminator 3

Terminator 3 does not exist >_>

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I think that was to reduce the impact of any change to that specific moment. You tell Marty in 1985 about his whole life, who knows what the impact will be over 30 years... like ripples in a pond.

Then why we got taped together warnings from Doc Brown? Doc already showed he was fluid in terms of altering the future so, why not there?

Warn Marty not to race Needles and none of that other stuff happens...unless, Doc Brown KNEW the only way to give Marty and himself a happy ending was to follow all those steps they took.

Perhaps Doc Brown took all the probable outcomes (by visiting those pasts, futures, alternate 1985s) and realized all those things HAD to happen, that way.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Your theory might have been correct if not for one thing. Terminator 3 extablished Skynet was not destroyed in 2029 as Kyle Reese thought. In T3 it was established that the war with Skynet was still going on in 2032. It's very possible Skynet had some sort of backup system or something and were simply not totally destroyed like Kyle Reese thought when he was sent back. Based on this we can assume that the original Terminator, T-1000 and the T-X were sent back at totally different points during the war, and not simply one after the other.

LOL. This T3 shit doesn't belong in any terminator discussion.

 

[sirap]

Get the fuck outta here with this T3 bullshit. *hugs dvds of T2*

 

[laesperanzapaz]

lmao it's Evilore

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Your theory might have been correct if not for one thing. Terminator 3 extablished Skynet was not destroyed in 2029 as Kyle Reese thought. In T3 it was established that the war with Skynet was still going on in 2032. It's very possible Skynet had some sort of backup system or something and were simply not totally destroyed like Kyle Reese thought when he was sent back. Based on this we can assume that the original Terminator, T-1000 and the T-X were sent back at totally different points during the war, and not simply one after the other.

for the last time T3 does not count

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Dat T3 hate. To be fair it is justified. Still better than Salvation though.

 

[Jinroh]

What's interesting is that by the end of the movie, the T-1000 was already starting to decay, we see that in the director's cut edition or whatever else it is called.

He analysed too many things, accumulated too many informations in its memory and was starting to bug. When he holds a pipe its hands take its color, when it takes Sarah's shape he kinda fuses with the ground, etc.

That's kinda funny, basically by the end of the movie if Connor and the other had just run away as they did before it wouldn't have been able to chase after them and would have probably died of "natural" cause.

 

[sirap]

Dat T3 hate. To be fair it is justified. Still better than Salvation though.

The only good things about T3 where inflatable boobs and Arnold spazing out. Salvation? I don't even know what that is..

 

[Valtýr]

What's interesting is that by the end of the movie, the T-1000 was already starting to decay, we see that in the director's cut edition or whatever else it is called.

He analysed too many things, accumulated too many informations in its memory and was starting to bug. When he holds a pipe its hands take its color, when it takes Sarah's shape he kinda fuses with the ground, etc.

That's kinda funny, basically by the end of the movie if Connor and the other had just run away as they did before it wouldn't have been able to chase after them and would have probably died of "natural" cause.

I thought that was just because they were in a really warm location and it was causing the liquid metal to warp and stuff?

 

[Hurley]

What's interesting is that by the end of the movie, the T-1000 was already starting to decay, we see that in the director's cut edition or whatever else it is called.

He analysed too many things, accumulated too many informations in its memory and was starting to bug. When he holds a pipe its hands take its color, when it takes Sarah's shape he kinda fuses with the ground, etc.

I thought that was just because of the extreme heat. If they had been anywhere else I doubt he would start to decay.

 

[Commander Jameson]

I thought he was glitching because of all the damage he had taken, not just the prior cold freeze/warm-up bit.

 

[Sub_Level]

From google:

On the Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition DVD there is a featurette called "More Than Meets The Eye" in which director James Cameron explains why the T-1000 glitch scenes were created and why they were absent from the theatrical version of the film:

"The glitching was meant to give some tiny ray of hope that it was possible to destroy this thing, it was possible to affect it in some way. They freeze it, they shatter it, and it reforms and comes after them again, but he's not working quite as well as he used to. I went for the linear thrust and took it out as a kind of embellishment that we didn't really need at that point."

 

[ryutaro's mama]

The liquid nitrogen fusing with him started fucking him up at the end.

Also, to be fair, the T-1000 was an advanced prototype.

A prototype that may not have even been fully stress tested.

 

[TheKaeptain]

There is no T3 or whatever that Salvation thing is.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

There is no T3 or whatever that Salvation thing is.

Or Terminator 3D: Battle Across Time

 

[Hot Coldman]

let's ask Sculli

oh wait, lol

 

[Hurley]

A prototype that may not have even been fully stress tested.

Fuck sakes Skynet, sort your QA out.

 

[Sub_Level]

Or Terminator 3D: Battle Across Time

Whoah now. T3D was dumb but it was a fun experience.

"ITS DAH T-1000000!"

 

[sirap]

Whoah now. T3D was dumb but it was a fun experience.

"ITS DAH T-1000000!"

Blew my mind when I was 10.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Fuck sakes Skynet, sort your QA out.

You have to make a decision in a nanosecond to send 2 terminators to 1984 and 1994 as those pesky humans are breaking down your front door.

"I have a Terminator that can morph into anyone? Fuck it, we won't be able to use it once they smash our grid completely. Smoke em if you got em."

SkyNet was just being systematic.

Whoah now. T3D was dumb but it was a fun experience.

"ITS DAH T-1000000!"

Not canon and didn't age well.

At all.

 

[strobogo]

I love T1/T2 and tolerate T3, but the Terminator timeline and their use of time travel has literally given me a headache before.

 

[Dark Octave]

There's nothing stupider than post #2 quoting the OP in its entirety.

lol Right?

He was correct though.

 

[VisceralBowl]

Not canon

I have been watching these movies for a long time now, and all I have to say is "how do you know what is really canon?" Canon does NOT matter when you have alternate timelines and time travel. Everything is canon, just because something is not canon in one timeline does not mean it is in another.

 

[lethial]

Why does anything happen in movies

 

[zoukka]

It's a gag meant to lighten the mood for a second.

 

[CREMSteve]

This is a ridiculous thread. My fault for entering, I suppose.

 

[JB1981]

It's a little humor. Nothing more.

Seriously. Is the OP serious or is this a joke ?

 

[weekend_warrior]

In the film Terminator 2: Judgement Day by James Cameron a liquid metal robot assassin - the most advanced of its kind - stops just momentarily to look at an inanimate mannequin in a mall:

Why does he do this? Even though you don't ever see his "view", one would assume he would have all the latest software for detection and threat assessment of targets and this was clearly neither a target or a threat so why pause? Why is he not furrowing his liquid metal brow at the standing mannequin behind him who - if he was a threat, has already got the jump on him? Or every inanimate object for that matter? Ridiculous.

As an aside - why do the liquid metal terminators in 2 and 3 come through naked? I remember some spiel about the time displacement only allowing live things to go through, so yeah Arnie and Kyle Reese go through naked as they have live flesh - but a T1000 is all liquid metal. Surely they could have approximated 20th century clothes in the future to send them through in a less overtly suspicious manner? Again, ridiculous.