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Why does the T1000 acknowledge the mannequin?

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T1000 looked like a fucking dork.

Especially when that goober was running near the end. I seriously can't believe they went from something as terrifying as evil Arnold to that dork.

you shut it. How would you like one to just morph out of the guy standing next to you in line at Zayre's?

you would't, thats how.
 
It's an even bigger problem when fans keep demanding "the" answer from the creator. The need for a canon answer that some people feel is a bigger problem because it makes creators feel like if they don't completely explain every nuance then they're facing 50 years of nerds asking for a canon answer like poor Ridley Scott did and George Lucas. These poor bastards were hounded their whole lives for leaving something ambiguous.

Feel free to interpret things but badgering fucking Chris Nolan every time the opportunity presents so that he'll explain the "real" end of Inception is fucking bullshit.

Inception's a great example. The original Total Recall as well, where Paul Verhoeven has refused to endorse a position on whether
it was all in Quaid's lobotomised mind
or not but still gets asked to make a definitive ruling on it, 23 years later.

I was sad when Blade Runner's Final Cut seemed to make that movie's long-running question clear, because I liked it better when it was open to interpretation. Apparently Ridley got sick of that question too.

it's also prevalent in videogames. fans whining and then we get mgs4.

Yep.

An example that I like is the 'I Know You' missions in Red Dead Redemption. One of my favourite parts of one of my favourite games, really beautifully done, and it doesn't feel the need to sit down and tell you what it represents. And yet the Internet is full of people asking for someone to explain it to them, or applying their high school English lessons to come up with the explanation that so-and-so is God/Satan or some other half-baked analogy that cheapens it. It's ambiguous, metaphysical, and fun to think about. Leave it at that.

Dare I say it? Mass Effect 3 as well. I mean the ending was bad, don't get me wrong, but most of the problems addressed in the DLC weren't the issue.
 
T1000 looked like a fucking dork.

Especially when that goober was running near the end. I seriously can't believe they went from something as terrifying as evil Arnold to that dork.

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It's an even bigger problem when fans keep demanding "the" answer from the creator. The need for a canon answer that some people feel is a bigger problem because it makes creators feel like if they don't completely explain every nuance then they're facing 50 years of nerds asking for a canon answer like poor Ridley Scott did and George Lucas. These poor bastards were hounded their whole lives for leaving something ambiguous.

Feel free to interpret things but badgering fucking Chris Nolan every time the opportunity presents so that he'll explain the "real" end of Inception is fucking bullshit.

Nerds ruin everything.
 
I don't understand why Skynet didn't just send the T-1000 back to the same point in time they sent the first Terminator. They could have worked together to kill Sarah. Plus that way Kyle and Sarah would have been trying to get away from the good version of Arnie since he looks exactly like the bad one. WOuld have been harder for him to protect her.

And this is why sequels to time travel stories are usually stupid.
 
I don't understand why Skynet didn't just send the T-1000 back to the same point in time they sent the first Terminator. They could have worked together to kill Sarah. Plus that way Kyle and Sarah would have been trying to get away from the good version of Arnie since he looks exactly like the bad one. WOuld have been harder for him to protect her.

Somehow I missed this.

If we are splitting hairs on what a self aware supercomputer would have done, why didn't Skynet send 5 or 6 T-800s back to 1984, just to make sure it succeeded?

There are somethings you have to just give to the flick.

Otherwise, it quickly goes nowhere.
 
You guys aren't thinking fourth-dimensionally. John Connor lives in the same city as Cyberdyne Systems. Do you see the issue with sending a nuke back?

Hey, if blowing yourself up is the only way to fix the problem then why the fuck not?
 
I know I'm not the only person who saw it as an amusing moment that briefly broke the fourth wall between audience and Robert Patrick. He should have raised an eyebrow when looking at it.
 
I've heard before (can't remember where so don't know if true) the liquid metal idea was something Cameron wanted to do in the original, but it just wasn't possible back then, especially on their budget.

Story-wise, isn't the T1000 a prototype? So, it could have simply not existed when Arnold-1 and Kyle were sent back.



One of my favorite things about Cameron is that he has no problem using the "it's a movie" excuse. He comes up with good enough reasons, throws them out there, and moves on. But, he isn't afraid of doing things simply because it'd be awesome.

I remember him defending something about Aliens, and he gave his short explanation, but then summarized at the end something along the lines of "it's a movie and I thought it'd be awesome..." which is good enough reasoning for me as long as every part of your movie isn't that (Michael Bay).

There also really aren't a lot of answers in the first two Terminator movies. He stays vague enough for the viewer to come up with their own theories. Which is why you see multiple people in this thread stating their views as facts. When in reality:



Is all there is to it.

Beautiful post.
 
T1000 looked like a fucking dork.

Especially when that goober was running near the end. I seriously can't believe they went from something as terrifying as evil Arnold to that dork.


That's how he was supposed to look.

According to the movie's universe, the very first terminators (the prototypes you might say) were huge, much bigger than Arnie. Of course they couldn't infiltrate humans for shit and they could be easily recognized & taken out from a distance, before becoming a threat to anyone.

So Skynet put in place a development plan for terminators that allowed them to become progressively smaller, lighter & appear as non-threatening as possible to humans, while at the same time improving their technology (look at the progress from T800 -> T1000 -> TX etc.)
 
That's how he was supposed to look.

According to the movie's universe, the very first terminators (the prototypes you might say) were huge, much bigger than Arnie. Of course they couldn't infiltrate humans for shit and they could be easily recognized & taken out from a distance, before becoming a threat to anyone.

So Skynet put in place a development plan for terminators that allowed them to become progressively smaller, lighter & appear as non-threatening as possible to humans, while at the same time improving their technology (look at the progress from T800 -> T1000 -> TX etc.)

TX was a downgrade IMO.
 
Thank you for your sane response. Any analysis further than that with regard to this scene is cringe worthy.

Some people ruin movies for themselves by over analysing things, instead of just enjoying the movie.

That.. that isn't a thing. You just do not wish to hear them talk about it. they didn't ruin the movie for any one, its their prerogative to look at it that way if they wish.
 
In the film Terminator 2: Judgement Day by James Cameron a liquid metal robot assassin - the most advanced of its kind - stops just momentarily to look at an inanimate mannequin in a mall:

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Why does he do this? Even though you don't ever see his "view", one would assume he would have all the latest software for detection and threat assessment of targets and this was clearly neither a target or a threat so why pause? Why is he not furrowing his liquid metal brow at the standing mannequin behind him who - if he was a threat, has already got the jump on him? Or every inanimate object for that matter? Ridiculous.

As an aside - why do the liquid metal terminators in 2 and 3 come through naked? I remember some spiel about the time displacement only allowing live things to go through, so yeah Arnie and Kyle Reese go through naked as they have live flesh - but a T1000 is all liquid metal. Surely they could have approximated 20th century clothes in the future to send them through in a less overtly suspicious manner? Again, ridiculous.
Because he is a gay robot?
 
A better question would be:

Why does the T-101 need a HUD display?

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The HUD information is generated by the optics feeding into the terminator's brain, which then routes the information back on a HUD feeding into the brain... Wut?
 
What I'd like to know is how they came up with the technology for the T1000, but go back to a robot form with the TX or whatever she is.
 
What I'd like to know is how they came up with the technology for the T1000, but go back to a robot form with the TX or whatever she is.

because the t1000 was vulnerable to extreme temperatures. a frozen TX would not become a solid unmovable block, a melting TX would not be reduced to a puddle of uselessness. the robotic skeleton could be used to get the terminator out of situations that would have crippled a T1000 unit.
 
A better question would be:

Why does the T-101 need a HUD display?

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The HUD information is generated by the optics feeding into the terminator's brain, which then routes the information back on a HUD feeding into the brain... Wut?

And why doesn't the terminator just create a massive bomb and when he gets within 300 yards of his victim he blows it up?
 
because the t1000 was vulnerable to extreme temperatures. a frozen TX would not become a solid unmovable block, a melting TX would not be reduced to a puddle of uselessness. the robotic skeleton could be used to get the terminator out of situations that would have crippled a T1000 unit.

Oh I get how it's probably better to go with a proper robot or cyborg, but how the fuck did they go from robot with flesh like skin, to a SHAPESHIFTING LIQUID METAL THING in maybe the same time frame with John Conner still alive? Unless there was a massive time frame between the T800 and T1000?

Eh, I'm probably thinking about it too much at this point.
 
Oh I get how it's probably better to go with a proper robot or cyborg, but how the fuck did they go from robot with flesh like skin, to a SHAPESHIFTING LIQUID METAL THING in maybe the same time frame with John Conner still alive? Unless there was a massive time frame between the T800 and T1000?

Eh, I'm probably thinking about it too much at this point.

T1000 was a prototype, the T800 was repurposed by John to protect himself right?
 
Ok something else I have to ask now:

Why does little boy Kal-l (Superman) uses his mom's laundry as a cape and runs around like a "Superhero" in his yard: When he never finds out about his true identity and costume until way later in his adult life? Is he mimicking a roman warrior or something with a red cape? A'la Leonidas? "Ridiculous I tell ya! Just Ridiculous!"
 
Ok something else I have to ask now:

Why does little boy Kal-l (Superman) uses his mom's laundry as a cape and runs around like a "Superhero" in his yard: When he never finds out about his true identity and costume until way later in his adult life? Is he mimicking a roman warrior or something with a red cape? A'la Leonidas? "Ridiculous I tell ya! Just Ridiculous!"

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Ok something else I have to ask now:

Why does little boy Kal-l (Superman) uses his mom's laundry as a cape and runs around like a "Superhero" in his yard: When he never finds out about his true identity and costume until way later in his adult life? Is he mimicking a roman warrior or something with a red cape? A'la Leonidas? "Ridiculous I tell ya! Just Ridiculous!"
So they can put it in a trailer and have Kevin Costner talk in old-timey fables of the greatness of the American spirit.

You'll also notice they go to length to explain his suit is a kryptonian armour and yet there are no capes or coloured logos on Krypton. So it can't even be a genetic Kryptonian thing.
 
As for why not send back 50 terminators to kill Sarah Conner... wouldn't Skynet be smart enough to realize meddling with the past is dangerous? If an army of killer robots suddenly appears in America, the government notices, the pentagon analyzes the units, and maybe finds links to this prototype "Skynet" technology they're working on. Math is done, bricks are shat, and the plug is pulled on Skynet before it ever comes online.

Sending back one terminator disguised as a human could keep things undercover.
 
As for why not send back 50 terminators to kill Sarah Conner... wouldn't Skynet be smart enough to realize meddling with the past is dangerous? If an army of killer robots suddenly appears in America, the government notices, the pentagon analyzes the units, and maybe finds links to this prototype "Skynet" technology they're working on. Math is done, bricks are shat, and the plug is pulled on Skynet before it ever comes online.

Sending back one terminator disguised as a human could keep things undercover.

You think the goverment would let a weapon like a Terminator just slip by? Skynet was an inevitability.
 
And why doesn't the terminator just create a massive bomb and when he gets within 300 yards of his victim he blows it up?

They literally address that extremely specifically in the movie lol

John Connor: Why doesnt it become a bomb or something to get me?


The Terminator: It cant form complex machines, guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts, it doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.


John Connor: Like what?


The Terminator: Knives and stabbing weapons.
 
They literally address that extremely specifically in the movie lol

John Connor: Why doesnt it become a bomb or something to get me?


The Terminator: It cant form complex machines, guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts, it doesn't work that way, but it can form solid metal shapes.


John Connor: Like what?


The Terminator: Knives and stabbing weapons.

Its not like he couldn't build a bomb. Hes a living computer. I bet he could do it.
 
Its not like he couldn't build a bomb. Hes a living computer. I bet he could do it.

There was really very little time and opportunity. Terminator 2 took place over the course of 3 nights and 2 days. The only time a bomb plant might've been effective would've been if John took the bait and went to his foster parent's home. At the point, yeah, an ambush of some kind would have been par for the course. Otherwise, the T1000 doesn't get to the mental hospital until shortly before Arnold does. And of course he doesn't get to Cyberdyne until after Arnold does.
 
A better question would be:

Why does the T-101 need a HUD display?

The HUD information is generated by the optics feeding into the terminator's brain, which then routes the information back on a HUD feeding into the brain... Wut?

In one of the commentaries Cameron says as much. I think it's in the first movie when you see the Terminator trying to decide how to respond to the person knocking on his door. Don't remember what he says, but he does acknowledge that the idea of a HUD doesn't really make sense.

Luckily, again, he is a director who doesn't care about everything making logical sense and will do things simply because he thinks it'd be cool in a movie.

why didn't terminator go further back in time and kill Sarah Connors ancestors in a time when they don't have guns?

Too hard to find records of them. They know so little about Sarah Connor that the first Terminator simply decides to kill every one in the fucking phonebook.

Further back you go, the harder it would be.

Also, supposedly this is exactly the plot of the next Terminator movie...

Why didn't Skynet send like 50 Terminators back in time instead of just 2?

They were under attack. Who knows how the time displacement shit works. If they could, you would assume they would have. Same with the resitance only sending back Kyle.
 
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