-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Why doesn't Rockstar cheap out on tech like Bethesda?
- Thread starter Windom Earle
- Start date
alexbull_uk
Member
So the new story, side quests, graphical features, animations, objects, locations, textures, sounds, NPCs, weapon mods, workshop stuff, etc. was all started in June then?
Ok, buddy. Of course.
This thread is amazing.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Hey now, it's not just the hardcore GTA fanbase that's calling bethesda lazy.
It's a lot more people than that. :^)
Given the quality of all that stuff compared to other RPGs, you aren't exactly helping his argument.
You called bullshit on "they did the most they could with the time they had". You don't know any more than the rest of us about their schedule.
I spent money too, welcome to being a consumer. I, as a consumer, do care about deadlines, they're a business as some point they have to stop. That is how all development is.
The gif is only funny when you keep showing it, hence my comment.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Lmao this killed me
Zombie James
Banned
Rockstar's had their share of performance issues but nowhere near the level of Bethesda's problems. Rockstar's framerate problems usually come from pushing tech to the limit while Bethesda's problems come from using an antiquated shit engine they refuse to change.
It's frustrating. They're both big budget AAA developers and only one of them acts like it.
It's frustrating. They're both big budget AAA developers and only one of them acts like it.
bobawesome
Member
"DAE think Bethesda is poopy butt farts?"
What a pointless thread considering all the other Fallout 4 critique threads that say something of value.
What a pointless thread considering all the other Fallout 4 critique threads that say something of value.
Alebrije
Member
if it were a PS3 remaster I would agree...
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I'm terribly disappointed at how fallout threads turned out on gaf this month. I had no idea Bethesda had so much love. Op the title was click baiting alil but my god the posts not trying to add anything to your question is disgusting.
joecanada
Member
So was vice city. Still unmatched too
Bethesda is in a weird place, they really don't have to compete on any level to be successful in this industry, from gameplay to technical standards.
Bethesda's margins must be massive though considering their initial investment would be comparatively low.
Bethesda's margins must be massive though considering their initial investment would be comparatively low.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Different competence levels my friend
veloxStrix
Banned
This guy works in the industry, I can tell.
Windom Earle
Banned
I don't think you understand what being a consumer means. I am not a wellfare organization caring for devs with cut-throat deadlines. I am not responsible for budget cuts or misguided project management.
Feel free to disagree with me on the result though, you seem to be fine with a game performing like this.
I know a thing or two about game development, especially for that reason I will not encourage unfinished games.
alexbull_uk
Member
Right. Of all the stuff listed there, Bethesda is by far the worst of all RPG devs for all of them. Of course. That's why their games consistently review well, and sell even better. It's not because they do any of those things well. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Were you expecting the game to get universally panned or something?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Didn't expect the general consensus to be "its Bethesda so it's ok" maybe?
Edit: and lol at people saying "omg another Bethesda hate thread" yea? COD,every Ubisoft game ever gets a hate thread every year nobody complains about those
Ahh another Bethesda hate thread...WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Why do people ALWAYS assume Bethesda is like the only studio/company that upgrades their engine, people think that other studios literally remake an engine every game. I'm pretty sure that literally almost if not all studios who have their own game engine re-uses it and upgrades it all of the time. This Bethesda is lazy shit is really pissing me off now.
Why do people ALWAYS assume Bethesda is like the only studio/company that upgrades their engine, people think that other studios literally remake an engine every game. I'm pretty sure that literally almost if not all studios who have their own game engine re-uses it and upgrades it all of the time. This Bethesda is lazy shit is really pissing me off now.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Fallout has a type of object permanence that far exceeds rockstars tech in that facet. For example, let's say I kill a Deathclaw in an area, then spend 5 hours travelling and doing other shit far away from that area. I come back to the area and the deathclaws body is still there, where I left it.
In GTA, you get far away enough, go back, and it's like nothing happened.
So there's that going for Bethesdas tech.
In GTA, you get far away enough, go back, and it's like nothing happened.
So there's that going for Bethesdas tech.
If you're only interested in the end product, why make a "tech investment" topic?
Flame Lord
Member
Because it effects the end product?
Hell is he point of this post? Just ignore the thread. Jeez.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Listen to the latest Giant Bombcast. Dave Lang gives a good explanation of why.
Basically in GTA you can't pick up everything, everywhere. in Bethesda games you can, which make them nearly impossible to completely QA.
Basically in GTA you can't pick up everything, everywhere. in Bethesda games you can, which make them nearly impossible to completely QA.
Windom Earle
Banned
Completely missing the point. The guy arguing with me is trying to excuse the quality of the game with "time constraints".
I think you assume what all consumers are concerned about. I don't live in some fantasy world where companies can keep delaying work in hopes to get to some mythical polish that exists where people will stop being pissed off. I know companies have budgets, resource restraints, and deadlines. This is how life is, being a consumer doesn't give me free pass to be ignorant of these realities.
And I am fine with the result, really enjoying this game.
Coffee Dog
Banned
They sell well because they have worlds that people enjoy aimlessly wandering through, of the fantasy and post apocalyptic varieties. That has nothing to do with being a good RPG, and is why Bethesda has continually reduced the RPG elements in their games for over a decade to mass acclaim.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah.
Lang was saying how, you can't feasibly test a million different things. He was talking about test matrices and parameters for testing, but fallout games are unique in that, say taking an Abraxos junk item and stacking it with other items, you can't feasibly test every combination to make sure that the Abraxos item doesn't break the game.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Because Rockstar>Bethesda
No matter how many times people explain this, it seems to just blow over their heads.
Windom Earle
Banned
Would you apply the same apologies for other products you spend money on?
Alebrije
Member
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
"Shit tech"??? Is this what we are about now? I thought the game looked amazing...
Except on PC, where Rockstar treats its customers as afterthoughts.
What is happening here?
Soyongdori
Member
If Bethesda manages to fully QA test their games properly (I know their game's scope is way too big to do this), then their games would be a technical marvel.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
That looks like fun. But in all seriousness, launch GTA 5 wasn't great. It had its fair share of bugs and problems.
Cool... like no other game has glitches
Windom Earle
Banned
So they are a good example then, right?
You think it's not possible to make an engine that can do all this that doesn't run like complete poo?
People, this has been going on since Morrowind. Let's not pretend Bethesda is using space tech here!
Alebrije
Member
joecanada
Member
Then judge the end product, not the underlying.
I didn't. You explicitly stated you only care about end product bought with your hard-earned cash, not the underlying process and tech. But this topic is about the tech.
This ends up in a weird situation where we start talking about workflow, tech featureset, toolchain and developer issues then you go "I only care about the product bought with my hard-earned money". Blergh.
D
Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
I can't think of another AAA game that's as janky as Fallout.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
GTAV on PC really is something else. Well worth the wait.
alexbull_uk
Member
"Being a good RPG" is entirely subjective. To many people (more as they release each game) they are clearly making good RPGs. Losing those extra elements is why they now sell as much as they do.
I'm not denying the engine needs work but think of how much it would cost, how long it would take and all the man-power it would take to literally make a whole other engine. Remember they have like 110 people?
Similar threads
- Locked