Bry0
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What I have seen that isn't necessarily disc rot with DVDs is that due to manufacturing variance, sometimes the layers just start to seperate which can make discs not read correctly. I had one game do that.
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Why Don’t You Just Get a PC?
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rofif
Banned
yeah it can happen though I've never seen that.
One can think that maybe digital was more future proof all along... I have doubts all the time but I am still physical at heart.
just found Dark Souls 2 new and sealed today !
Guilty_AI
Member
From what i know SSDs are more prone to failure than HDDs. They overheat very easily which can damage them overtime, not to mention the limited number of read and writes caused by NAND wear.
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Quartermuncher
Member
I work in IT, and the mere idea of sitting at a desk to play ANY game automatically feels like work to me. A high end gaming PC is nothing more than a fancy workstation to me.
rofif
Banned
SSDs like to run a bit hot but don't get very hot if you are not constantly writting. Limited TBW is true but it's so much. I've had my ssds for years and I have just tiny degree of TBW used up.
I once did a test on my corsair mp510 drives by running cpu stress test, gpu stress test and then copying/writing huge amount.
The ssd started very well but quickly got VERY hot in 80-90c and dropped dead after getting slower and slower and slower.
Of course all fine after restart but that's interesting how speed was clearly degrading with temp
Gorgon
Member
That wear due to writes is severely exagerated in the media. You'd have to be constantly writing to the SSD non-stop 24/7 for several years before it showed any meaningful degradation. It's not remotely the real usage scenario for 99.9% of computers used for work, let alone console gaming usage. Also, you'll be doing far more reading than writing, which is not where the "problem" lies.
Guilty_AI
Member
I read a lot of people who work with video editing in Macs mentioning problems with their SSDs after a few years. Depends on the use really, but i imagine games count up to that, especially with modern file sizes or the fact write-wear can also come from memory management or even the application itself, not just the user installing stuff.
Gorgon
Member
Possibly, given that video editing is probably quite heavy on the writes. But it still takes years of constant work-horse use to get those problems. You're right that using the HDD/SSD for memory menagement is a thing, including gaming, but I don't think it's anywhere near as heavy as the specific work scenario you mentioned. My experience so far after using Macs for 10 years is that I had no issues whatsoever even though I used them for work and leasure on a daily basis.
Anyway, I think the fear of SSD wear is exagerated outside of specific work settings. But we'll see after 7-8 years of this generation of console (and PC) gaming what the situation is.
R6Rider
Gold Member
I actually went through some issues with Assault on Dark Athena last year.Yep, I know this issue all too well.
The last time I brought up the fact that hundreds of PC games feature workarounds and fixes that have to be performed to even get the goddamn things to run, I was told I didn't know how to maintain a gaming PC by one of GAF's resident "smart" guys.
Nevermind the fact that there is such overwhelming evidence that these problems exist, as evident by the Steam forums and the PC Gaming Wiki.
Here's one of my favorites: Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena.
Things to note from the screenshot below:
- "the last several days of trying to find a solution"
- The fact the thread is 5 pages.
- The fact you have to download the GOG version from some random file sharing service.
- The first response...from someone who is likely bandwidth-challenged.
Want to really trigger GAF? Tell the butthurt PC Gaming ManBabies that their hobby ain't what it used to be.
This year my biggest annoyance has been getting Summoner to play properly at higher resolutions.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
idk why people keep saying this when you can plug your PC into a TV and play it just like you would a console lol.
I got a 200 FT HDMI 2.1 cord that I use when I want to switch from playing on my PC monitor to my 4k TV.
DownTheRabbitHole
Neo Member
Because they know no better, I use to be like them making all these stupid excuses to love substandard gaming. PC gaming is like owning an Android phone and a console is like own a Apple phone.
Chronicle
Member
I would love to. However, the ease of use and affordability of a console is just better for me.
The problem with PC is the cost. I usually buy the best. I generally find investing in quality gets you a way better and longer (in terms of years) experience. I used to sell high end tvs. Man, I've owned some awesome big screens. I spent a lot of cash and didn't regret it. If I start this with a PC I'd be flat broke. I'd have a really high end PC for about 2-3 grand. I just can't afford that on my budget. If I could I tell you I would.
The problem with PC is the cost. I usually buy the best. I generally find investing in quality gets you a way better and longer (in terms of years) experience. I used to sell high end tvs. Man, I've owned some awesome big screens. I spent a lot of cash and didn't regret it. If I start this with a PC I'd be flat broke. I'd have a really high end PC for about 2-3 grand. I just can't afford that on my budget. If I could I tell you I would.
Bry0
Member
https://www.pcworld.com/article/106...s-are-now-more-reliable-than-hard-drives.html
Not a chance. Even anecdotally I've never had an ssd fail. Hdds I've had plenty fail. Mechanical drives have many more ways in which it can die on you. The biggest advantage an hdd has is data persistence when powered off for a long period of time, outside of that it is a worse technology in basically every way imo.
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unlurkified
Member
-Too lazy to do troubleshooting.
-Terrible/broken PC ports seem way too common recently.
-I prefer using a controller even when there's the option for mnk.
-Steam big picture mode navigation just isn't as nice as the console's dashboards in my experience. (Far prefer to play on a TV).
-The increased performance just doesn't seem worth the 3X+ cost of a console. Ultimately just can't justify that kind of a purchase with kids, especially cuz I know I'll want to spend $3K+.
Though, I am not happy that the consoles already seem to be hitting their limit and I may change my tune come 2025 if there're no pro versions.
-Terrible/broken PC ports seem way too common recently.
-I prefer using a controller even when there's the option for mnk.
-Steam big picture mode navigation just isn't as nice as the console's dashboards in my experience. (Far prefer to play on a TV).
-The increased performance just doesn't seem worth the 3X+ cost of a console. Ultimately just can't justify that kind of a purchase with kids, especially cuz I know I'll want to spend $3K+.
Though, I am not happy that the consoles already seem to be hitting their limit and I may change my tune come 2025 if there're no pro versions.
small_law
Member
The biggest advantage of the console is that you turn it on and go. Convenience is its biggest strength. There's a lot to be said for that.
I started building PCs 6 years ago and there is a definitely learning curve in figuring it all out, not only the parts to get and how all of them work, but also how to configure things on the software end, especially if you get into overclocking, etc. I made every mistake you can possibly make. You have to pick a target resolution and frame rate and build to it factoring in graphics settings.
So there's a lot to be said for plugging in a PS5 and turning it on.
I started building PCs 6 years ago and there is a definitely learning curve in figuring it all out, not only the parts to get and how all of them work, but also how to configure things on the software end, especially if you get into overclocking, etc. I made every mistake you can possibly make. You have to pick a target resolution and frame rate and build to it factoring in graphics settings.
So there's a lot to be said for plugging in a PS5 and turning it on.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
i can understand the desk thing i guess (does sitting at a table in a restaurant also give you flashbacks?), but a high end gaming pc should feel special (like your personal weekend car vs the family car).
pressing the power button on a finely crafted gaming pc... hearing the big ass fans gently whirl up, booting into a super clean install of windows (extra points if you found the special version that disables all telemetry and stuff), seeing the monitoring software display low temps and tight voltages...
and if it's connected to a big tv (as it should be)... turning on the surround sound processor and hearing all the other equipment click on due to 12v triggers... turning on the giant tv and switching to the "good" input... mmm youre about to eat a good ass meal.
small_law
Member
I have never had an SSD fail either and at this point I've had plenty of them. NVMe SSDs do run hot, but even a cheap heat sink will solve that issue.
SSD failure was a much more of a concern 10 years ago when storage controllers were garbage and trim or it's equivalent wasn't widely adopted. Remember stuff like write leveling and garbage collection and all that? Nobody really worries about that anymore.
Quartermuncher
Member
It's also the atmosphere of it all. The instant I have to think about reinstalling drivers or troubleshooting anything to play a game would make me jump out of a window. I'm a simple man, I like my games...working.
I have this for the most part. My home theater was meant to compliment the gaming end, to which a PS5 is the heart of.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Same. I pretty much just use my gaming PC to do my bills now. I was already thinking about never building a gaming PC again and just getting a gaming laptop instead. Now I'm thinking about just getting a handheld like the Ally or SteamDeck and never getting a gaming pc/laptop ever again.
I'm so backed up in ps5/psvr2/switch that i haven't bothered with anything PC related for awhile.
MidGenRefresh
Banned
The new version of Steam Big Picture (= Steam Deck OS) is amazing and easily the best gaming centric UI at the moment.
Guilty_AI
Member
I mean, anecdotally speaking i haven't had a single PC HDD fail in all my life, but my very first nvme ssd broke within 2 months of use. When i went online looking for troubleshooting to confirm it wasn't just some other issue, i've crossed with no shortage of people who've had all sorts of similar problems with SSDs. Higher rate of fabrication defects, wear depending on use, heat issues, etc. All recent too.
Mechanical drives theoretically have more points of failure but a lot of them are related to physical mishandling, and i'm not the kind of person who just drops electronics in the floor frequently.
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I don't understand gore people say pc is complicated. This isn't back in the days of Windows 98. Everything is plug n play these days. Download steam, plug in a controller of your choosing and you are pretty much good to go. The games themselves even auto sets the graphics settings to match your pc set up.
Mobilemofo
Member
Yeah, Mods are the shit.
yamaci17
Member
also the ability to set antideadzones for any game out there is a great boon
but sad that u have to reinstall all ur drivers before u play a game
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cramoss
Member
It's okayish, not really that great tbh. Way better than the old big picture mode though.
MidGenRefresh
Banned
He? Okay, what are your ideas how it can be substantially improved? What features other game centric UIs have that Steam Deck OS could benefit from?
charles8771
Member
PC gamers could played games at 60fps like 13 years ago.
However their PCs were more expensive than Xbox 360
However their PCs were more expensive than Xbox 360
Lunarorbit
Banned
Price is a big obstacle. I don't need a pc as almost all of computer needs are met by a smart phone. Buying and updating a pc just to game cares zero appeal to me.
Dealing with driver issues and the mess that can happen as usually games can't be optimized for one sku of computer.
Dealing with driver issues and the mess that can happen as usually games can't be optimized for one sku of computer.
PontificationEngine
Member
Mind is blown. Don't think I can go back.All right, 4070 is on the way. As someone has never played on a PC before, this should be interesting
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Already have it?
I'm so used to 120 fps G-sync now, i can rarely bother to open up the switch anymore with these low res shit at 30 fps (ish) games.
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PontificationEngine
Member
Got the parts through Amazon and did the build this week. I didn't go all out with the parts but can still run path traced Cyberpunk with healthy gpu temps. Pretty wild.
Ivory Samoan
Member
4070 will destroy a Series X.
Calverz
Member
Kataploom
Gold Member
I do the same, but I just plug the PC to my TV. I didn't have the funds before but right now I'm about a second one so I can have both: TV and personal work PC away from each other