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Why in the world are Wiis still hard to find?

ManaByte said:
This post begs the question: When will the Wii's success finally be accepted?
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I'd say every month more and more Gafer's start accepting it; hence the NPD threads now evolving from "Wii's a fad" to "3rd parties won't sell on Wii".
 
If Sony and Nintendo's position were switched people, like Rancid, would be saying "Oh, well that makes sense." How I love the hypocrisy. :lol
 
schuelma said:
I'd say every month more and more Gafer's start accepting it; hence the NPD threads now evolving from "Wii's a fad" to "3rd parties won't sell on Wii".
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What happens after June when RE4: Wii and Harry Potter and The Bigs Wii versisons sell more than their other versions?
 
Wii Sports is the main reason, but it's quite a bit more complicated than that and it's definitely not all Nintendo fanboys and casuals buying the console. We've went over this ad nauseum though.
 
What happens after June when RE4: Wii and Harry Potter and The Bigs Wii versisons sell more than their other versions?
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That's when we go to:

"3rd Parties are just making spin offs/mini-games/ports/multiplatform games for the Wii. 360/PS3 have all the good, deep, epic games with intricate gameplay and engrossing storylines that are only possible on the 360/PS3. Also, HD is superior, anyways."
 
AstroLad said:
I'm still on the fence though, the spreadsheet is proprietary objective data and I know Pachter posts here and would hate to see my patents stolen and used for profit. As it is, I just share it with close friends I can trust.
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I can't stop laughing.

Someone call for help.
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
That's when we go to:

"3rd Parties are just making spin offs/mini-games/ports/multiplatform games for the Wii. 360/PS3 have all the good, deep, epic games with intricate gameplay and engrossing storylines that are only possible on the 360/PS3. Also, HD is superior, anyways."
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And what happens when Dragon Blade comes out?
 
Fix said:
The last one being which?
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In the holidays after the $99 price drop, Nintendo usually packed in something like the Zelda disc, Metroid Prime, or Mario Kart (or was it Party?). Xbox + Halo in early 2004 was pretty popular, though a bit farther back.
 
AstroLad said:
I'm still on the fence though, the spreadsheet is proprietary objective data and I know Pachter posts here and would hate to see my patents stolen and used for profit. As it is, I just share it with close friends I can trust.

For starters here is a representation of some of the inputs:

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FlightOfHeaven said:
Trauma Center and Super Paper Mario are missing from your collection.

Not to mention Trauma Center and Excite Truck.

Yes, I said Trauma Center twice, now thrice. It deserves all the sales it can get..
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ummmm a 3rd party game, oh well i will give it a chance.
 
Jammy said:
What happens after June when RE4: Wii and Harry Potter and The Bigs Wii versisons sell more than their other versions?
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Wii owners like bad/old games? Have you played Harry Potter? I can't imagine anyone spending $50 on this game. To spend $60 (for the X360 or PS3 versions) would just be ridiculous. And though I said RE4 was the best game I had played since OoT, I have no interest in the Wii version. I have already played through this game. I would much rather have a new experience.

Like consoles past, the Wii will be great for Nintendo games and I'll have to go elsewhere for compelling 3rd party experiences. I just hope Nintendo makes more games like Mario Galaxy and less like Wii Sports. Oh, and another Pikmin would be nice.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Wii owners like bad/old games? Have you played Harry Potter? I can't imagine anyone spending $50 on this game. To spend $60 (for the X360 or PS3 versions) would just be ridiculous. And though I said RE4 was the best game I had played since OoT, I have no interest in the Wii version. I have already played through this game. I would much rather have a new experience.
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Playing with the wiimote is a new experience
 
Gigglepoo said:
Wii owners like bad/old games? Have you played Harry Potter? I can't imagine anyone spending $50 on this game. To spend $60 (for the X360 or PS3 versions) would just be ridiculous. And though I said RE4 was the best game I had played since OoT, I have no interest in the Wii version. I have already played through this game. I would much rather have a new experience.
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You're missing the point.
 
heliosRAzi said:
Playing with the wiimote is a new experience
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I hope developers don't believe this. I want a new experience, not tacked on motion controls. I'm not going to play through the same game twice because it has added motion controls, just like I wouldn't play though the same game because it has better graphics or Achievements.
 
Gigglepoo said:
I hope developers don't believe this. I want a new experience, not tacked on motion controls. I'm not going to play through the same game twice because it has added motion controls, just like I wouldn't play though the same game because it has better graphics or Achievements.
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Maybe you should actually give the game a try before saying that they're tacked on.
 
heliosRAzi said:
Maybe you should actually give the game a try before saying that they're tacked on.
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No, I haven't tried it yet. I rented Order of the Phoenix instead. But from what I've read it's the same game - same enemies and puzzle and art - with motion controls. Am I wrong?
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
In the holidays after the $99 price drop, Nintendo usually packed in something like the Zelda disc, Metroid Prime, or Mario Kart (or was it Party?). Xbox + Halo in early 2004 was pretty popular, though a bit farther back.
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Seriously? I don't remember any of these official pack-ins. Are you talking about store-specific promotions, or actual Ninty freebies?

Either way, they don't compare to a free title at launch, which is entirely uncommon. That hasn't been done in ages.
 
Gigglepoo said:
No, I haven't tried it yet. I rented Order of the Phoenix instead. But from what I've read it's the same game - same enemies and puzzle and art - with motion controls. Am I wrong?
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Yes, its a totally new Experience and how RE4 was meant to be played in the first place
 
Here's my anecdotal evidence: Between launch and last Friday I'd seen a total of two Wiis in the wild (at a Walmart in February.)

This past Friday, I saw a Wii in the wild for the second time: 2 at a Walmart. And this Monday, I saw 6 at Target.

I always check whenever I enter a store that carries games. Maybe it's meaningless, or maybe it means demand is finally catching supply.
 
Gigglepoo said:
No, I haven't tried it yet. I rented Order of the Phoenix instead. But from what I've read it's the same game - same enemies and puzzle and art - with motion controls. Am I wrong?
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Just give it a rent. That's all you have to do.
 
JDSN said:
I see Astrolad is fishing for a tag again.
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fixed.

He posted crazy stuff like this in about 5 different threads, just to get a tag. The mods know it, so he won't get one
except 'banned' if he gets too annoying.
 
Gigglepoo said:
Wii owners like bad/old games? Have you played Harry Potter? I can't imagine anyone spending $50 on this game. To spend $60 (for the X360 or PS3 versions) would just be ridiculous. And though I said RE4 was the best game I had played since OoT, I have no interest in the Wii version. I have already played through this game. I would much rather have a new experience.

Like consoles past, the Wii will be great for Nintendo games and I'll have to go elsewhere for compelling 3rd party experiences. I just hope Nintendo makes more games like Mario Galaxy and less like Wii Sports. Oh, and another Pikmin would be nice.
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That's not really the point. The point was that third parties now sell better on Wii than they do on PS3 while simultaneously making more profit on them because of the varying development costs. This along with the huge userbase is why there's even exclusive games from EA and Ubi-Soft coming. I think you'll be surprised come E3. The only third party exclusives will be the Wii ones, pretty much.

EDIT: And compelling? What's that supposed to mean? RE: UC and NiGHTS 2 are very compelling third party games just as a quick example. Unless you mean the type of compelling where you tap a button every so often to skip to the next cutscene in a drab, colorless world?
EPIC
 
Gigglepoo said:
Wii owners like bad/old games?
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I would hazard to guess that a lot of Wii owners have yet to play RE4 at all, regardless of it already being ported over to the ps2. Like me, for example :(
 
The best part about AstroLad is that people take him seriously. And the answer to the question posed by the thread is, "because people are still buying them."
 
Jammy said:
EDIT: And compelling? What's that supposed to mean? RE: UC and NiGHTS 2 are very compelling third party games just as a quick example. Unless you mean the type of compelling where you tap a button every so often to skip to the next cutscene in a drab, colorless world?
EPIC
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There aren't any 3rd party Wii games I'm looking forward to. The best 3rd party game that is currently out that I have played is Kororinpa, which I wouldn't buy. I'm sure RE4 is a great game but I simply do not play remakes. There are too many new experiences out there to replay a game I've already finished. I'm looking forward to the big Nintendo games, but there just isn't anything else that is catching my eye.

I'm going to E3 next week. I'm excited to talk to 3rd parties about their future plans. I really don't think you'll see many top tier games announced for the Wii. Remember, this was Nintendo's baby. I don't think a lot of developers even care for motion controls. You'll see the cash ins and ports since they make money, but games like Resident Evil 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4 will not be coming to the Wii.

The good thing is, you can bookmark this post and see in just one week if I'm wrong. It's pretty immidiate, eh? I don't think you'll see top tier development teams announcing exclusive games for the Wii next week.
 
Gigglepoo said:
The good thing is, you can bookmark this post and see in just one week if I'm wrong. It's pretty immidiate, eh? I don't think you'll see top tier development teams announcing exclusive games for the Wii next week.
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What the hell are games like Nights, Dewy, Zack and Wiki, Soulcalibur Legends, and MySims? They aren't blockbusters by any means, but that doesn't mean that they aren't ambitious projects.
 
Gigglepoo said:
There aren't any 3rd party Wii games I'm looking forward to. The best 3rd party game that is currently out that I have played is Kororinpa, which I wouldn't buy. I'm sure RE4 is a great game but I simply do not play remakes. There are too many new experiences out there to replay a game I've already finished. I'm looking forward to the big Nintendo games, but there just isn't anything else that is catching my eye.

I'm going to E3 next week. I'm excited to talk to 3rd parties about their future plans. I really don't think you'll see many top tier games announced for the Wii. Remember, this was Nintendo's baby. I don't think a lot of developers even care for motion controls. You'll see the cash ins and ports since they make money, but games like Resident Evil 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4 will not be coming to the Wii.

The good thing is, you can bookmark this post and see in just one week if I'm wrong. It's pretty immidiate, eh? I don't think you'll see top tier development teams announcing exclusive games for the Wii next week.
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But it's abundantly clear that you aren't willing to consider any third-party Wii games to be "top tier." How can we possibly prove you wrong on these terms?
 
Gigglepoo said:
There aren't any 3rd party Wii games I'm looking forward to. The best 3rd party game that is currently out that I have played is Kororinpa, which I wouldn't buy. I'm sure RE4 is a great game but I simply do not play remakes. There are too many new experiences out there to replay a game I've already finished. I'm looking forward to the big Nintendo games, but there just isn't anything else that is catching my eye.

I'm going to E3 next week. I'm excited to talk to 3rd parties about their future plans. I really don't think you'll see many top tier games announced for the Wii. Remember, this was Nintendo's baby. I don't think a lot of developers even care for motion controls. You'll see the cash ins and ports since they make money, but games like Resident Evil 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4 will not be coming to the Wii.

The good thing is, you can bookmark this post and see in just one week if I'm wrong. It's pretty immidiate, eh? I don't think you'll see top tier development teams announcing exclusive games for the Wii next week.
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just curious, what blog/website, magazine or developer do you work for?

never mind, found it, sorry
 
Fix said:
The last one being which?
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Well, off the top of my head:

XBox pack with JSRF and Sega GT 2002
XBox pack with Tetris Worlds and Clone Wars
XBox pack with Forza
XBox pack with Halo
GameCube pack with Zelda Collecters Edition
GameCube pack with Mario Party 7
GameCube pack with Metroid Prime
GameCube pack with Mario Sunshine
PS2 pack with GT3

etc. etc.
 
You know, the Wii supplies will be just getting into that "sometimes I see 'em in stores" range when BAM! Super Smash Bros. Brawl. After that.. well, Smash is Wii's Halo so you figure it out.
 
Solo said:
People not being able to find them baffles me. Now, perhaps I just lucked out and hit the store when a shipment came in, but back in January when I got my Wii (and demand was presumably even higher), I walked into one store, and got a Wii the first time I tried.
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Tieno said:
I've seen Wii's every time I enter a electronic or videogame store
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Where the hell do you people live?
In Southern California, from San Diego to LA County, I haven't even SEEN one since launch.
 
Okay Gigglepoo, lets count the number of Wii and PS3 third party exclusives that get announced at E3. If PS3 gets more then I hope the companies sink slowly instead of abruptly. :lol
 
Because people are fad-seeking sheep.

Can I be a mod now, or do I have to earn respect by insulting other GAFfers?
 
ummmm a 3rd party game, oh well i will give it a chance.
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No kidding, it made me realize that Nintendo really is bringing the possibility of new gameplay experiences to the table. Trauma Center is excellent, accurate, tough, has tons of re-playability, and is just a nice, polished game overall.

Hell, it's even good for parties. People love watching others try out operations and fail around and panic. Favorites seem to be From Overseas and Life or Death. (operation names in game)

Oh, and Explosive Patient.
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
No kidding, it made me realize that Nintendo really is bringing the possibility of new gameplay experiences to the table. Trauma Center is excellent, accurate, tough, has tons of re-playability, and is just a nice, polished game overall.

Hell, it's even good for parties. People love watching others try out operations and fail around and panic. Favorites seem to be From Overseas and Life or Death. (operation names in game)

Oh, and Explosive Patient.
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But it's not COMPELLING!
 
Just bought the only Wii sitting out at a Best Buy in Toronto. Wasn't looking for it, but it was the first time I'd seen one ever, so I went for it. Who'd have thought they'd get a shipment on a Tuesday.
 
Sharp said:
But it's abundantly clear that you aren't willing to consider any third-party Wii games to be "top tier." How can we possibly prove you wrong on these terms?
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That's not true at all. It's pretty clear who the top teams are at the various developers around the world. When you look at Dewy (which does look fun) vs Metal Gear Solid 4, I think it's clear which is the top team and which is a lesser team. It's the same for every company. Do you think Red Steel was made by the best people at Ubisoft?

The fact that games like Order of the Phoenix and Raving Rabbits sell so well is a bad thing for the Wii. Granted, crap sells on every system, but when your best selling 3rd party games are average at best, that encourages other developers to shovel games onto the system.

Early on in the system's life, it seems consumers are ok buying second rate games. That is why Capcom is devoting so many of their resources to Resident Evil 5 while working on a smaller Resident Evil (UC) for the Wii. It's a much smaller investment and will still sell well, so they are able to put time and money into RE5.

Jammy said:
Okay Gigglepoo, lets count the number of Wii and PS3 third party exclusives that get announced at E3. If PS3 gets more then I hope the companies sink slowly instead of abruptly. :lol
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Since next gen games are so expensive to make, the majority of these games will end up on both the X360 and PS3. Developers have to choose between the X360 and PS3 or just the Wii (or Wii and PS2/PSP). I think you'll see more PS3/X360 games announced and shown than Wii games.
 
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