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Why is NeoGaf so predominantly male?
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Horse Detective
Why the long case?
GirlGaf sounds cooler than WomanGaf to me, but whatever the actual party prefers really
Devolution
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GirlGAF is fine but plenty of people talked about on GAF are women. Females sounds really detached. Girls sounds juvenile.
Zoe
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Once again, a meaningless statistic without a breakdown compared to the kinds of games that actually generate discussion here.
GalGAF is the only other option if we want to be awesome and alliterative.
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Transhuman
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It feels pretty weird to me to refer to juveniles as "women". Female may sound weird and clinical but at least it's all inclusive, that's my internal lexicon anyway.
Trent Strong
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These stats include every possible kind of video game. The real questions are: What percentage of console gamers are female? What percentage of "hardcore" gamers are female?
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Maybe.
I think I use that term a lot for the same reason that I use "guy" a lot. It just feels weird calling someone under 30 "man" or "men". Woman is probably a different case but it sounds equally mature to me.
Devolution
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That's fair, just sayin' when someone is a grown ass woman, girl is just "wait what."
I rationally agree with you at this moment, and I don't reduce every conversation to that, nor do many. But I can assure you there are moments where I feel influenced biologically/emotionally/hormonally to completely be enthralled by the beauty of the woman phsyique, and I express that when I feel the context is right. I don't know if you've ever felt raw emotion like that, so I'm not sure how to make it more clear.
Why would I feel alienated about your second point? I see it alot, ridiculously built/handsome men on magazines, on TV, in ads, photoshoot spreads in magazines. Not every man is built like that, I'd sure like to be, I don't feel offended or insecure about it. Heck, we can even find common ground on obectifying the opposite gender, the feelings are the same, the subject matter is all that changes. I'm not going to complain about the publication of nice looking women/girls in media, I'm honest about it and prefer that to women/girls I don't find attractive in certain cases.
What's wrong with that? On the flip side I'm not going to complain about the unrealistic portrayal of men in terms of body physique and looks. Maybe I'm not sensitive to this as much as others?
freenudemacusers
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DameGaf?
PC-gaf is crying in the corner. Your questions need some refining.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
cringed reading this
To Far Away Times
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Specifically, the types of games that GAF is centered on though. My GF plays the occasional game but she wouldn't identify herself as a "gamer."
The problem is that women have been conditioned to believe that their whole worth lies in what they look like. Men haven't. That's why you might not be as sensitive to it as others.
And yeah, pretty sure a lot of us women have felt sexual urges.
Devolution
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or DollGAF.
To Far Away Times
Member
Is there a female equivalent of a fedora?
GamsGAF.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
trilby
Devolution
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Trent Strong
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PC gaf is a whole different story that I don't understand at all.
It could still be the fedora.
freenudemacusers
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lululemon
That's a good point, and it's evident to many of us that a person's worth is not determined by superficial appearances. I agree it's a grave and real problem that some women/girls take it too far and do dangerous things to achieve what they thing they "need" to look like.
Though thinking it's a good idea to at least try to look good isn't such a bad thing, to a moderate and reasonable degree of course. That applies to all genders.
I also sort of disagree on your last part, I'm not an ugly person, and not visibly "fat". I'm not well toned, don't have flawless skin, and maybe my traditional polo shirt + pants I've done for ages could do with a revamp. I do feel however my attempts at interacting with girls, and how they treat me, is impacted negatively by not being good looking and alluring. This has real consequences, I know girls who only help or want to work in an academic setting with the "good looking" guys, I duly accept that despite wanting to work with those girls for reasons other than physical appearances.
Men are just as susceptible to this as women, it doesn't mean that susceptibility is manifested as greatly I agree. I'm just not treated the same, girls don't sit super closely with me or randomly caress my hair and make conversation. It's an uphill battle for me sometimes. Now this isn't discrimination and an abuse of human rights, it's just a pain.
Finally, while some women feel compelled to do harmful things, that phenomenon is a huge problem in more important areas of impact. It's not an isolated problem and not unique to women's appearances, indoctrination and inadvertent or intentional social engineering through innocuous or blatant propaganda and ideology is a thing as well as a more pressing issue in other areas other than gender struggles.
It's hard to craft a society that accommodates those lacking strong willpower and confidence, those types of people will be swayed by anything, not just how to look.
Alligatorjandro
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where are gurl
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
who knows
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Transhuman
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Historically, are there any examples of threads about male celebrities that have dissolved into "wow, that guy is hot" comments, and if not do you think it's because they're aren't enough women to get that ball rolling?
I never said that men can't feel such pressures or aren't as susceptible, but that it could explain why you aren't as insensitive as some others who have spoken up about being bothered by it. So to dismiss it by saying:"Well, I don't feel like that so I don't see why anyone else should."isn't exactly productive to the discussion.
As far as just saying that people who are affected by these issues are weak-willed anyways, try being bullied about it by your own family to the extent where they're telling you daily that you are stupid for not wanting plastic surgery to fix how bad you look.
If you really think there being more important issues than those involving gender somehow invalidates them, then I don't know what to tell you except for: Congrats on being a guy and not being conscious about how much your gender affects your every day life.
No but really: I am so sorry that the worst your gender issues involve you not having your hair randomly caressed.
Vermillion
Banned
I don't see how you guys get so worked up on that shit.
That's true for me, too - I don't really refer to my guy friends as men. No, not yet
Are we including "games" in here?
freenudemacusers
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I'd think Uncharted would be on the list.
GillianSeed79
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That sounds fucking horrible : ( I'm sure you are beautiful no matter what your family says. I dated a girl once that was fucking obsessed with facial implants because she didn't think her face was symmetrical or something. Like she was literally obsessed with cheekbone implants. I thought she looked beautiful, but it was never good enough for her.
I get what you are saying though. For most of us guys the biggest fear is going bald before 40. Other than that, at least of those male family members that are married that I know, they don't give a fuck about their appearance once they get married. It's all about spare tires around the waist and, generally, just getting fat while their hair recedes to their back. Meanwhile, trophy wife has to keep up appearances. It's a double standard to say the least.
freenudemacusers
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I like the sound of that
It's a pain that people don't treat you this way? Do you treat people this way (and not seem creepy)?
No statements are universal, literally not everyone is weak-willed who succumbs to bullying.
Saying there are important issues related to some of your points servers only to imply that I feel this issue is overblown when you consider other issues which affect all genders. I try to endure, I endured bullying much of my early life for not being skinny, I endured it for thinking differently, and those had profound lows where I felt like shit. But it shaped me, I came out of it realizing external figurative pressures are only so influention on a personal level as one allows them to be. If you're being bullied, remember other people are too, the only serious of bullying aren't only about looks.
I don't see why you're saying my gender gives me some crazy advantage, there are strengths/weaknesses to everything. EVERYTHING is a double edged sword, there are sociological trends in history that oscillate, it's obviously stupid that we can't have equal salaries for men/women, but that stuff doesn't take into account other factors and varies by country. Women have lengthy maternity leaves that are paid in Europe, here in the US not so much. These are things that should be equalized, definitely.
Congratulating my gender as if I'm some spoiled brat who lucked out by some 50/50 biological process is such a meaningless thing to say.
Also I'm glad you got the humor about hair caressing 
I thought it would be funny myself >
I thought it would be funny myself >
Saying I'm living blissfully unaware of inequalities, gender related or not, is wrong on so many levels. I treat everyone equally, regardless of gender, in fact some guys around me say I'm a bit too chivalrous sometimes, but I open doors for everyone and let others cut in front of me in line regardless of gender so I do agree there is an issue here where people think it's weird to strive to spend lots of time interacting with both genders. I call it social immaturity on that level.
I have a little sister, a strong mother (literally having multiples blackbelts and a boss at Brazilian jujitsu, and morally as well) and I supported Hillary Clinton in the 2008 elections. Point of this being I am acutely aware by daily exposure to women and ultimately treat everyone as simply humans, if I like a human I like them, and vice versa. It plays no role in whether I support them politically or not, I wish more people were like that.
If you could see how immature my class at school is you'd cringe, there's definitely a problem with gender perception, petty things, like guys wanting to study male poets and girls fiercely doing the same for woman poets. It breeds militant mindsets, it's sad to see girls being so intensely feminist I dislike them due to their hardliner gender dogma. Extremists are never a good thing, and it sucks when they're shaped by their youth and their immature peers.
Seeing the class physically divided into half guys/ half girls voluntarily by where students want to sit is debilitating. And then I get called a white knight for trying to buck the trend...
These are real issues, but there's a practical limit to how badly they can practically damage someone's life beyond any bad thing. So when I say overblown, I don't mean they're talked about too much, I just mean it needs to be more neutral and less sensationalist.
Going to sleep now
One last thing before sleeping (seriously I'm sleeping right after this
Ok seriously that was 75% a joke, I was attempting to illustrate how basically sociology and interaction, sometimes of basically politically value ( in a social setting), can be shaped by men/woman attraction that ignores logic and critical thought.
User 100115
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That great. Really.
But not everyone does. In fact, most people don't. So yeah, women have a hard time of it simply because they are women. To keep it on topic of this thread, you will never experience the feeling of walking into say, a Magic the Gathering tourny, and having every single eye turn to you. Some are speculative. Some are glaring. All immediately treat you like a second class citizen. You are either there as arm candy, or fucked your way into the game, or don't know what you are doing and are there for the attention. There is NO WAY you are there because you love the game and are decent at it.
That's what it's like a lot of the time for women who enjoy these things.
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