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[User 100115]

I think it's interesting that the girls who actively engage in general, non-gendered topics on the Gaming side rarely cross over to the OT. I don't see many of you in the various PS4/Xbone/tech threads.

For me, I am interested in games. Not platforms really. I could give a fuck less what platform a game is on if it's enjoyable. The in fighting in that regard annoys me, so I stay away from gaming side. I closely follow the news of stuff (and yeah, I posted in the first Xbone thread a few times this year), and I talk about platforms on my facebook, but I am super hesitant to discuss it here, where merely mentioning a preference can and will get you eaten alive by the 'other side'.

And since so many people DO know I am a woman on this board, I am sure that would be brought up in some fashion too.

In essence, I've learned my lesson other places and avoid shit that pisses me off gaming side.

 

[mollipen]

I just bought that Pac Man on PC, haven't put much into it, but dear god it is addictive.

No no no. I'm pretty sure you're talking CE DX. That's a very good game, but it's missing the pure, perfected gameplay of the original CE.

 

[Zoe]

For me, I am interested in games. Not platforms really. I could give a fuck less what platform a game is on if it's enjoyable. The in fighting in that regard annoys me, so I stay away from gaming side. I closely follow the news of stuff (and yeah, I posted in the first Xbone thread a few times this year), and I talk about platforms on my facebook, but I am super hesitant to discuss it here, where merely mentioning a preference can and will get you eaten alive by the 'other side'.

And since so many people DO know I am a woman on this board, I am sure that would be brought up in some fashion too.

In essence, I've learned my lesson other places and avoid shit that pisses me off gaming side.

Gender has absolutely nothing to do with a launch date being announced, with system specs emerging, with getting banned for being ethically challenged. I have never seen that attitude, and I'm speaking as someone who was branded as a corporate shill for many months.

 

[User 100115]

Gender has absolutely nothing to do with a launch date being announced, with system specs emerging, with getting banned for being ethically challenged. I have never seen that attitude, and I'm speaking as someone who was branded as a corporate shill for many months.

Yes, but I've had my OPINION on those things called into question because I am a woman. Hence, I avoid a lot of gaming discussion. I'm more comfortable on the OT. But, since I've been on the internet for basically ever, this is learned behavior from other places, not necessarily GAF.

 

[Log4Girlz]

No no no. I'm pretty sure you're talking CE DX. That's a very good game, but it's missing the pure, perfected gameplay of the original CE.

omg its different?

 

[Valhelm]

Is Pacman CE similar to that mutli-screen, four player Pacman game they have at arcades? Because that shit is amazing.

 

[FyreWulff]

Also, there are real games on Facebook and cell phones. Tetris is on those platforms, and I will cut you if you claim it as anything less than an all time classic.

All games are real games.

It gets tiring when people move the goalposts and declare a genre not a real game and not "hardcore" just because a significant number of women like it.

"us gamers" were the people constantly pimping DDR and bemani and then poo poo'd Rock Band and Guitar Hero as "casual shit" because now they couldn't fit the genre in their backpocket anymore since it was now popular

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Since anecdotal evidence is standard here, I'll say that I have a woman friend who doesn't really play games who has been playing the fuck out of Bioshock Infinite at my house while we drink and talk shit. Is she not a real gamer?

 

[Pau]

I think it's interesting that the girls who actively engage in general, non-gendered topics on the Gaming side rarely cross over to the OT. I don't see many of you in the various PS4/Xbone/tech threads.

Must be because we're casual gamers.

 

[Vermillion]

Since anecdotal evidence is standard here, I'll say that I have a woman friend who doesn't really play games who has been playing the fuck out of Bioshock Infinite at my house while we drink and talk shit. Is she not a real gamer?

You said she doesn't really play games, so no. I mean, she's not interested in playing much, is she? Or much else?

 

[Musha_Soturi]

Ok I've not read every single post in this thread, so don't get angsty if I repeat something already said or whatever, but this is my 2 cents.

I've seen some posters get shot down in this thread because they're basing their opinions on their own experiences, which obviously isn't representative of the wider public, and is often at odds with others experiences. But surely that's what everyone is doing? We can only have opinions based on our own experiences, so everyone's opinion should be valid and taken into consideration.

So, in my experience, I know very few girls who play games, and of those few even fewer who care enough about it to be regularly vocal, and of those few even fewer who would have actively gone on the internet and searched out a forum to discuss gaming.

Among my friends there is probably a higher percentage of girls who game, but that is to be expected, as a girl gamer myself I am more likely to be friends with people who are into similar things as me. But if I look beyond my social circle, other girls I know (girls I went to school with, girls I work with, friends of friends etc) the amount of girls who play games is a lot lower. And most of those who do game do so with their boyfriends or other friends, the number of girls who would switch on a console when home alone is teeny tiny.

But even those girls I know who do play games are not on here. In fact, as far as I am aware they are not on any forum or internet discussion, apart from facebook where they are all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers/geeks/nerds etc. I just don't think they care enough about it to join an internet forum and discuss games with a bunch of strangers. Girls would prefer to talk about things with their friends.

I was introduced to Neogaf by a male friend, and thought I would give it a go. To be fair I mostly post in OT, mainly the BritGaf OT, but we do still discuss games in there. For me personally, I would say that I am not like other girls, I am aware of this and I am fine with it, but obviously everyone has their own reason for being here. So apart from the obvious I don't think there's any other underlying reason for there not being many girls on Gaf.

 

[shanshan310]

Ok I've not read every single post in this thread, so don't get angsty if I repeat something already said or whatever, but this is my 2 cents.

I've seen some posters get shot down in this thread because they're basing their opinions on their own experiences, which obviously isn't representative of the wider public, and is often at odds with others experiences. But surely that's what everyone is doing? We can only have opinions based on our own experiences, so everyone's opinion should be valid and taken into consideration.

So, in my experience, I know very few girls who play games, and of those few even fewer who care enough about it to be regularly vocal, and of those few even fewer who would have actively gone on the internet and searched out a forum to discuss gaming.

Among my friends there is probably a higher percentage of girls who game, but that is to be expected, as a girl gamer myself I am more likely to be friends with people who are into similar things as me. But if I look beyond my social circle, other girls I know (girls I went to school with, girls I work with, friends of friends etc) the amount of girls who play games is a lot lower. And most of those who do game do so with their boyfriends or other friends, the number of girls who would switch on a console when home alone is teeny tiny.

But even those girls I know who do play games are not on here. In fact, as far as I am aware they are not on any forum or internet discussion, apart from facebook where they are all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers/geeks/nerds etc. I just don't think they care enough about it to join an internet forum and discuss games with a bunch of strangers. Girls would prefer to talk about things with their friends.

I was introduced to Neogaf by a male friend, and thought I would give it a go. To be fair I mostly post in OT, mainly the BritGaf OT, but we do still discuss games in there. For me personally, I would say that I am not like other girls, I am aware of this and I am fine with it, but obviously everyone has their own reason for being here. So apart from the obvious I don't think there's any other underlying reason for there not being many girls on Gaf.

People who game socially don't count as gamers? What? I play with my partner/ friends all the time, I don't think that negates the fact that we are gaming.

 

[Zoe]

Yes, but I've had my OPINION on those things called into question because I am a woman. Hence, I avoid a lot of gaming discussion. I'm more comfortable on the OT. But, since I've been on the internet for basically ever, this is learned behavior from other places, not necessarily GAF.

I look at the last five threads on the Gaming side that I posted in, and I simply don't see it.

That's what the Vita TV is for.

Same here--that's the beauty of it.

Specifically sources that contain scans/photos of magazines.

The exemption never expanded to include consoles.

I judge GAF on its own merits.

 

[Miss Riot]

I think that the division between "casual" and "hardcore" games is a result of the industry's sexism, not the cause of it.

completely disagree, but in the early 90s when I was learning a ton of programming and was doing some serious hardcore gaming pre internet it felt a hell of a lot more inclusive then.

 

[User 100115]

I look at the last five threads on the Gaming side that I posted in, and I simply don't see it.

I judge GAF on its own merits.

That's great! I was simply expressing stuff I'd experienced that color the way I see the world. Sorry if you thought I was saying every single girl ever experienced it too.

 

[LosDaddie]

Because it's a videogame enthusiast site. You can look for a more convoluted and exciting answer, but you're probably overthinking it. I'll take a wild guess and say that Jalopnik is probably male-dominated too.

Agreed. Well said. Just like it's no mystery why GAF leans to the Left

GAF actually has more ladies on here than I expected when I first signed up.

 

[Messofanego]

I think it's interesting that the girls who actively engage in general, non-gendered topics on the Gaming side rarely cross over to the OT. I don't see many of you in the various PS4/Xbone/tech threads.

Those threads are super boring, it's not a gender divide. Everyone's going off speculations and I'm not a programmer so I don't care about the architecture. I just mostly stick to the indie games thread, the navel gazing threads, and the threads for the types of games I'm into (stealth, first person whatever).

 

[hey_monkey]

I think that the division between "casual" and "hardcore" games is a result of the industry's sexism, not the cause of it.

You know, I don't think it's that black and white, but I don't disagree, either. Not even a little. I mean, we've seen the goalpost-moving and talked about it in here, and a lot of games now that are marked casual probably exist because of earlier titles with similar mechanisms that weren't part of a casual/hardcore discussion years ago.

There's just also this feeling that REAL gamers have something they need to protect from the unwashed masses and I just really don't get it. These days, so many people play some sort of game, so can't we all just be like FUCK YEAH GAMES? I know that's simplistic, but I'm tired of fighting for a place and all.

Since anecdotal evidence is standard here, I'll say that I have a woman friend who doesn't really play games who has been playing the fuck out of Bioshock Infinite at my house while we drink and talk shit. Is she not a real gamer?

doesn't play other games
doing it to impress you
fake gamer girl
hand-holding triple aaa title lulz
(see also re: tired -- all these kinds of responses that we hear so often when women talk about their gaming experiences)

or (radical notion): maybe she just doesn't want to buy all that junk and take the time to get into it, but when it's in front of her, she'll go FUCK YEAH GAMES. Because, without any other information, that's what I'd assume.

So that's just going to be my answer now: FUCK YEAH GAMES.

 

[hey_monkey]

Those threads are super boring, it's not a gender divide. Everyone's going off speculations and I'm not a programmer so I don't care about the architecture. I just mostly stick to the indie games thread, the navel gazing threads, and the threads for the types of games I'm into (stealth, first person whatever).

Gaming side in general bores me a little. Rapid fire responses without a lot of thought coupled with antagonism (some rowdy motherfuckers over there), lots of lines drawn in the sand, etc. Occasionally I'll get into a gaming thread and have a good time, but not often. That one has nothing to do with gender, but with the realization that I am just not that kind of forum user.

 

[User 100115]

There's just also this feeling that REAL gamers have something they need to protect from the unwashed masses and I just really don't get it. These days, so many people play some sort of game, so can't we all just be like FUCK YEAH GAMES? I know that's simplistic, but I'm tired of fighting for a place and all.

This is how I feel, 100%. About this and the 'fake geek' thing. Why do people have to meet standards to be considered something? If they enjoy a thing, for fucks sakes, LET THEM ENJOY A THING.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

This is how I feel, 100%. About this and the 'fake geek' thing. Why do people have to meet standards to be considered something? If they enjoy a thing, for fucks sakes, LET THEM ENJOY A THING.

To be perfectly fair -- and I understand "geeks" can exist for anything and I don't want to insinuate that you are singling out gaming specifically -- this seems to be a problem with enthusiasts in general. Personally, that's always something I've found unfortunate. Not that every member of every community is like that when they reach that level of passion for something, but I always think it's detrimental to getting people interested when the experts so to speak try to establish arbitrary lines in the sand in regards to what separates them from the masses. To try to put it as succinctly as possible, it's a problem of making one's interest too much a part of their identity I find.

 

[User 100115]

To be perfectly fair -- and I understand "geeks" can exist for anything and I don't want to insinuate that you are singling out gaming specifically -- this seems to be a problem with enthusiasts in general. Personally, that's always something I've found unfortunate. Not that every member of every community is like that when they reach that level of passion for something, but I always think it's detrimental to getting people interested when the experts so to speak try to establish arbitrary lines in the sand in regards to what separates them from the masses. To try to put it as succinctly as possible, it's a problem of making one's interest too much a part of their identity I find.

Yeah, I wasn't just pointing out gaming. It's always something that's annoyed me, and you might be right about it being a problem of making interests too much about who you are.

I just don't understand why keeping people out of the 'club' so to speak is something that people want to do. More people to discuss something with, more chances at finding someone with common interests, etc. Why make it so exclusive? It baffles me.

 

[Platy]

Since anecdotal evidence is standard here, I'll say that I have a woman friend who doesn't really play games who has been playing the fuck out of Bioshock Infinite at my house while we drink and talk shit. Is she not a real gamer?

I have a CIS HETERO BEARDED MALE who only bought a ps3 now (because of Dragon's Crown I must say) and spend the past 5 years only playing games when we gathered with friends to drink and play.
Because he didn't had a console till now, he always came to the meeting with all the knowledge on faqs and wikis and Build Simulators.

I also know the girliest girl who always plays candy crush and she came to the point of EDITING A WIKI about the game to FIX a topic about the mechanics of the game.
Yes, there is a Candy Crush Wiki =P

If they are not hardcore gamers, I don't know what it is =P

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Yeah, I wasn't just pointing out gaming. It's always something that's annoyed me, and you might be right about it being a problem of making interests too much about who you are.

I just don't understand why keeping people out of the 'club' so to speak is something that people want to do. More people to discuss something with, more chances at finding someone with common interests, etc. Why make it so exclusive? It baffles me.

Let me preface this by saying that I'm just kind of rambling here, but I think it becomes associated with one's identity the same way that professional credentials get associated with who you are. Many of us here either are employed with jobs that require skillsets that pay well, or are aspiring to have such a career position (obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone and I'm not saying it should). And part of having those skills and degrees/certificates/years of professional experience does to some degree necessitate differentiating oneself with people entering the field, or those just taking up studying the field. And it makes some sense here, as one's livelihood is tied to establishing that there is a difference in levels of expertise.

However, this also tends to unfortunately carry over into people's hobbies, it seems. At that point, I am in complete agreement with you that it's unfortunate.

 

[H.Protagonist]

Yeah, I wasn't just pointing out gaming. It's always something that's annoyed me, and you might be right about it being a problem of making interests too much about who you are.

I just don't understand why keeping people out of the 'club' so to speak is something that people want to do. More people to discuss something with, more chances at finding someone with common interests, etc. Why make it so exclusive? It baffles me.

It's special! You're diluting its specialness!

 

[IceCold]

This is how I feel, 100%. About this and the 'fake geek' thing. Why do people have to meet standards to be considered something? If they enjoy a thing, for fucks sakes, LET THEM ENJOY A THING.

I think the problem is the following: until recently geeks were really outsiders. You were never the cool kid for liking comics or playing D&D or video games. So geeks latched to this identity. Now that these things are more socially accepted, you have "cool" kids claiming to be geeks as well simply because they wear a batman shirt or play angry birds on their way to work. Obviously the people who were castigated for having such interests back in the day will take offense to this. Also since it is/was a very male dominated industry and many never got laid because of these hobbies, they become very defensive about women enduring "their world" too.

It's a childish thing but I get why some people feel this way.

 

[Keri]

For me, I am interested in games. Not platforms really. I could give a fuck less what platform a game is on if it's enjoyable. The in fighting in that regard annoys me, so I stay away from gaming side. I closely follow the news of stuff (and yeah, I posted in the first Xbone thread a few times this year), and I talk about platforms on my facebook, but I am super hesitant to discuss it here, where merely mentioning a preference can and will get you eaten alive by the 'other side'.

I have a similar impression and I generally avoid the Gaming side of this forums (despite liking and being interested in games). I think the problem, is that I am aware there is a hierarchy in gaming from "fake girl gamer" to "casual gamer" and "hardcore gamer." I know that I wouldn't qualify as "hardcore." I've gathered that there can be lot of hostility towards "fake gamer girls" and "casuals." I have no idea which I would be considered and I simply don't know if its worth it to try to participate in those discussions.

I think a lot of girls/women have this general impression that "gaming" is a topic that is not open or easily accessible to women, so if you want to participate you have to be prepared to go in swinging at all times.

 

[Professor Icepick]

I think the pushback against female gamers has only gotten worse due to the fact that traditional "hardcore" (i.e. male) gamers are feeling threatened by the fact that you have people like Anita Sarkeesian trying to change the entire medium from a male-dominated medium into a female-dominated one.

I mean, sure, I understand that that may not be the case and that people like Sarkeesian are pushing more towards a balanced representation of both male-directed and female-directed content in the media.

But I also think it's been disingenuous for feminists and other social justice warriors to claim that "they're not taking our games away" when they openly try to shame creators like George Kamitani and Gavin Moore into changing their creations. If "there's room in the media for all kinds of content", then why are you openly trying to destroy the visions of creators?

That right there is why the pushback against women/girl/female/whatever gamers is only getting worse. Because of this whole "your rights end where my feelings begin" Tumblr white cis hetero male scum garbage.

 

[Miss Riot]

I would respond but that was a quick banning, no need really. I can't speak for everyone but there's a place for everything.

 

[RurouniZel]

We scared most of them away.

 

[Mesoian]

Because of this whole "your rights end where my feelings begin" Tumblr white cis hetero male scum garbage..

Man, this was a decent into madness. That last sentence reads like, "purple monkey dishwasher".

So, I've been reading the last few pages and it sounds like the general consensus from the female population of the boards seem to center around the idea that, because this place, gaming side especially, is so aggressive when it comes to explaining and defending their positions regarding a subject, it makes most women not even want to bother with engaging in the conversation, especially since they can get all the info they want from reading the thread rather than being a part of it.

Is that fair to say?

 

[Kimaka]

Gaming side in general bores me a little. Rapid fire responses without a lot of thought coupled with antagonism (some rowdy motherfuckers over there), lots of lines drawn in the sand, etc. Occasionally I'll get into a gaming thread and have a good time, but not often. That one has nothing to do with gender, but with the realization that I am just not that kind of forum user.

Gaming side has been boring me too for a while now. I can't talk about the games that I am currently playing since they are old. I also can't talk much about games that I am interested in until I get more information unless I want to join the numerous posts of "OMG THAT SCREENSHOT LOOKS SO GOOD" or worry about it not being as good as the last game.

Then there are the threads that try to discuss gender, race or any other societal issue in video games and the industry. I rarely participate in those because it just turns into a repeat of the last gender/race thread. Its hard to discuss something when one side doesn't think its a problem.

 

[Zoe]

So, I've been reading the last few pages and it sounds like the general consensus from the female population of the boards seem to center around the idea that, because this place, gaming side especially, is so aggressive when it comes to explaining and defending their positions regarding a subject, it makes most women not even want to bother with engaging in the conversation, especially since they can get all the info they want from reading the thread rather than being a part of it.

Is that fair to say?

Plus most apparently don't want to talk about what the Gaming side normally talks about.

 

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girls don't have a frontlog plain and simple.

 

[BeerSnob]

girls don't have a frontlog plain and simple.

The best* ones do.




*subject to opinion.

 

[Cereza]

Why is it so important to get ALL the females to play ALL the games? Isn't videogaming supposed to be for the entertainment, music, and art value? As long as the game gets the message across, I could give a rats ass whether a gamer is male or female.

 

[User 100115]

Plus most apparently don't want to talk about what the Gaming side normally talks about.

It's cause we're not really gamers.

 

[Sai-kun]

'sup

vouching for icarus she's nice and has good taste in music!

 

[Arsenic Yellow]

Among my friends there is probably a higher percentage of girls who game, but that is to be expected, as a girl gamer myself I am more likely to be friends with people who are into similar things as me. But if I look beyond my social circle, other girls I know (girls I went to school with, girls I work with, friends of friends etc) the amount of girls who play games is a lot lower. And most of those who do game do so with their boyfriends or other friends, the number of girls who would switch on a console when home alone is teeny tiny.

But even those girls I know who do play games are not on here. In fact, as far as I am aware they are not on any forum or internet discussion, apart from facebook where they are all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers/geeks/nerds etc. I just don't think they care enough about it to join an internet forum and discuss games with a bunch of strangers. Girls would prefer to talk about things with their friends.

These bolded statements are extremely problematic. It comes off as presumptuous, I doubt you'd be saying the same thing ("all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers"} if they were males. I primarily play with my boyfriend, and even then I rarely get any time to sit down and enjoy a game. Does that make me a social gamer? Granted, I wouldn't even call myself a gamer, but thats only because I hate the term. I'm someone who enjoys video games, but certainly don't define my life by it.

 

[Musha_Soturi]

These bolded statements are extremely problematic. It comes off as presumptuous, I doubt you'd be saying the same thing ("all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers"} if they were males. I primarily play with my boyfriend, and even then I rarely get any time to sit down and enjoy a game. Does that make me a social gamer? Granted, I wouldn't even call myself a gamer, but thats only because I hate the term. I'm someone who enjoys video games, but certainly don't define my life by it.

I am purely giving my opinion based on my personal experience, as is everyone else. I'm not presuming anything, I'm commenting on what I have seen and heard myself. These are facts that I have witnessed among and beyond my social circle. I do not know a single female from real life that is on Gaf, fact.

I do not understand how one person's opinion based on factual experience can be problematic?

 

[Pau]

I am purely giving my opinion based on my personal experience, as is everyone else. I'm not presuming anything, I'm commenting on what I have seen and heard myself. These are facts that I have witnessed among and beyond my social circle. I do not know a single female from real life that is on Gaf, fact.

I do not understand how one person's opinion based on factual experience can be problematic?

I have a bunch of male friends on Facebook who are only too eager to proclaim themselves gamers and nerds and then balk at my suggestion that they join a forum like NeoGAF. I guess they're just doing it for attention and must not be real gamers.

 

[depths20XX]

Isn't this thread about why there aren't more women on this forum? Not about what makes a real "gamer" lol. I didn't see anything wrong with Musha's post.

 

[Arsenic Yellow]

I am purely giving my opinion based on my personal experience, as is everyone else. I'm not presuming anything, I'm commenting on what I have seen and heard myself. These are facts that I have witnessed among and beyond my social circle. I do not know a single female from real life that is on Gaf, fact.

I do not understand how one person's opinion based on factual experience can be problematic?

Perhaps its because through your limited experience within your social group, you are generalizing an entire group of people? Like I asked before, if these were men, would you say they are "all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers"? It comes off very negative.

 

[Pau]

Isn't this thread about why there aren't more women on this forum? Not about what makes a real "gamer" lol. I didn't see anything wrong with Musha's post.

Well, it's related because people are saying only real gamers would sign up for a forum like NeoGAF. And it's always annoying to see people pull the "Girls only do it for attention" card.

 

[Musha_Soturi]

Perhaps its because through your limited experience within your social group, you are generalizing an entire group of people? Like I asked before, if these were men, would you say they are "all too eager to proclaim themselves gamers"? It comes off very negative.

But isn't that what we all do? As I said before, we can only base our opinions on our experiences, no one can speak for an entire gender, I don't personally know every single female on the planet and therefore I cannot comment on the majority, which is why I specified that I was just giving my personal opinion based on what I have seen amongst a wide and varied selection of women that I personally know.

And if I knew any men who acted that way then I would most certainly state the same about them, but the fact is I don't.

Well, it's related because people are saying only real gamers would sign up for a forum like NeoGAF. And it's always annoying to see people pull the "Girls only do it for attention" card.

Although it may be annoying Pau, unfortunately a lot of the time it's true.

 

[Miss Riot]

Although it may be annoying Pau, unfortunately a lot of the time it's true.

I call bullshit. we're just ignored because we _arent_ trying to get attention. we don't get it.
clarification; I don't play games for attention and I'm not pining for it. I want to be judged as another person not as someone in a special group. if you are there for attention its obvious, but its the people who aren't there for attention and just want to have a good time that are fighting the feeling of being included. on top of that does it even matter? some people just want attention and can still be a gamer and be in the crew.

 

[Ikael]

Yeah, I wasn't just pointing out gaming. It's always something that's annoyed me, and you might be right about it being a problem of making interests too much about who you are.

I just don't understand why keeping people out of the 'club' so to speak is something that people want to do. More people to discuss something with, more chances at finding someone with common interests, etc. Why make it so exclusive? It baffles me.

Because MY IDENTITY and I AM DIFFERENT FROM YOU and YOU WOUDN'T UNDERSTAAND. That's what identity does to us, because this is what it aims to do with the world: drawing a line in the sand. This is "us", this is "them" and the only way to define myself is by saying on which side of the line I lay and what I am not. Identity turns you into an asshole, for it asserts your ego by the virtue of focusing into what set you appart from other fellow humans. As older identities and affiliations erode and become taboo (such as the ones based around race and religion) we humans devise new ways to keep ourselves "different" from others and building new identities, mainly restorting to culture and hobbies, wanting to believe that they are somehow less stupid than the previous ones. But they are just the same old damaging attitudes, but with a new cover of paint.

 

[Musha_Soturi]

I call bullshit. we're just ignored because we _arent_ trying to get attention. we don't get it.
clarification; I don't play games for attention and I'm not pining for it. I want to be judged as another person not as someone in a special group. if you are there for attention its obvious, but its the people who aren't there for attention and just want to have a good time that are fighting the feeling of being included. on top of that does it even matter? some people just want attention and can still be a gamer and be in the crew.

Sigh. You're calling bullshit on what exactly, that people I know don't do things for attention? Know all my friends do you? I'm not refering to all girls, or all gamers, or all gamer girls, I'm specifically talking about people I know.

 

[Miss Riot]

Sigh. You're calling bullshit on what exactly, that people I know don't do things for attention? Know all my friends do you? I'm not refering to all girls, or all gamers, or all gamer girls, I'm specifically talking about people I know.

oh. if it's only people you know then forget it.

 

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anecdotal evidence