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Why is no one complaining about MS being "anti-consumer"?
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HoodWinked
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Street Fighter V is still not on any xbox console while Rise of Tomb Raider has since been released on everything.
I just remember the mental gymnastics thread when Tomb raider was announced it was an embarrassment then and it's just repulsive and smoothbrained in hindsight
I just remember the mental gymnastics thread when Tomb raider was announced it was an embarrassment then and it's just repulsive and smoothbrained in hindsight
The Hamburglar
Banned
Because the Xboys are very vocal and can't see past their hardons on the recent purchase.
The reality is sony bought studios like naughty dog etc when there was literally one console on the market ps1/2 and have been making their own exclusives for a long time.
They've done some scummy things with the destiny stuff and timed exclusives.
Nothing compares to the tomb raider sequel being paid not to release on another platform.
Ms got 7 billion to spend why not actually hire competent people to make a good halo or some new original ips like Sony's studios do?
Nah just buy a whole publisher to make their Ips exclusives.
Phil and Xbox have cancelled many games this gen.
Doesn't matter to me much as well mainly game on pc but that 7 billion would be great to see some new games and ips not denying people games.
Xbox division makes what in profit per year? ( not revenue). Would take 5+ of profit just to cover the cost of that 7 billion
Dodkrake
Banned
Just fyi
What were all the timed exclusives on 360? - Xbox 360
For Xbox 360 on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "What were all the timed exclusives on 360?".
gamefaqs.gamespot.com
Both have done it, stop crying like a little kid.
Also, just FYI, I'm against timed exclusives from any company. Exclusives? Totally on board. Timed? Bullshit.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
Holly shit this left a dent for certain individuals from an elite blue camp..full recovery for them it's not in the cards or in foreseeable future...and Beyond 
The amount of Walmart salt and open threads up in this bish is incredible.
The amount of Walmart salt and open threads up in this bish is incredible.
Your going back how many years lol. Sony was trying to money hat every single zenimax game. So the whole xbox gamers would of gotten them anyways don't work because it could be years before they might get to play them. Sony had 2 locked up and number 3 on the way before Microsoft closed the deal. Sony has gone way over the top on money hats they earned this.Just fyi
What were all the timed exclusives on 360? - Xbox 360
For Xbox 360 on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "What were all the timed exclusives on 360?".gamefaqs.gamespot.com
Both have done it, stop crying like a little kid.
Also, just FYI, I'm against timed exclusives from any company. Exclusives? Totally on board. Timed? Bullshit.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
LarknThe4th
Member
Because one company have decided to charge us €80 going forward for their games and the other is giving me everything they have ever made or will ever make for €10 a month......
How is this hard to understand?
How is this hard to understand?
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Shmunter
Member
PlayStation will also get the PSVR versionsNot just one console. It will be on everything except Playstation.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
and playstation games are slowly coming to pc as well.
Chan
Member
I highlighted your delusion.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
they said they will honour the currant contracts and that's only reguarding 2 games
Bryank75
Banned
Whew... veeeeeeery slowly. One game. In the entire generation from their first party. I'd hardly even call it a trend.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
It's not anti-me. I want to game on PC where I can upgrade as I see fit and have access to games without needing to turn on another system. Sony should put all games on PC and let me chose how I want to play them. I am never going to buy 3rd party games on their system so why sell me subsidized HW that I waste 500 on and they waste 100 on when selling me games is what they are after?
LarknThe4th
Member
Oh so you think Gamepass is going away, if Gamepass fails Microsft are leaving the videogame business period
Now perhaps they will double or even triple the price over the next ten years but that ain't happening anytime soon so why should I care?
Anyway, any comment on the actual content of my post, ya know the insane value proposition of Gamepass?
Inxes
Member
But you go from 4 potential platforms (Switch, PS5, SeX, PC) to (SeX, PC). How is that not anti-consumer? lol
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Just before every new generation launch. Its okay we will get over it soon.
Snakeeyes646
Member
Last few days have been quality HAHAHA
Dodkrake
Banned
Just gonna say: rise of the tomb raider, Xbox One.
Chan
Member
Very good value. I ordered a Series S for exactly that reason - gamepass.
Netflix have raised their prices by a good amount in rather short periods.
Value is still good, but it shrinks...
Dibils2k
Member
Netflix was the only viable streaming service for years. They were market leaders and the alternatives were miles behind. They also completely pivoted their strategy from having instant access to loads of great films to making originals.
Gamepass needs scale to work, and you don't get scale by upping the price unfairly. You have to make sure the value is there longterm, or you don't reach the 60m subscribers or whatever you need to actually pay for everything directly through Gamepass.
Zenimax wasn't doing great though. All those single player games like Dishonored 2, Wolfenstein, Prey and etc just weren't selling that well. The only successful singleplayer games were Doom. Fallout 4 fell behind with open world games when Unisoft has added RPG elements to their games as well as Witcher 3 being way better. Fallout 76 was a complete flop and no signs of next Elder Scrolls and no idea if Bethesda gas caught up with the industry as we ain't seen anything with Elder Scrolls 6. The honest trusty is some of these developers like Tango Gameworld and Arcane would have been shuttered after their next game flops commercially so Microsoft buying them is the best thing for both parties. What Sony does its way more anti consumer just paying devs to keep their games off other platforms. Microsoft ate a publisher but they will be keeping their offices lights on and be able to make games.
Iced Arcade
Member
Lol really? Where were you start of this gen
martino
Member
so Sony is excused because they do it when they are dominant and third pary do exclusives (money-hatted ?) for them...so they only have to be dominant , get exclusive from the situation (or because of money-hatting) and they get a free pass when they end buying the studio when they are sure they are safe acquisitions... your excuse is not that well thought.
in current case , ether you don't think with reality and all context in mind or you just want an ultra dominant sony generation again (can it be to excuse future acquisitions ?)
let's remember current MS context :
- they have a huge mind-share disadvantage
- they are content short at begin of the gen
- Sony is content starving them even more locking important third party games as much as possible
- they have already build studio from stratch for this gen (but this things they take time)
How can they send a strong signal to Sony and mass public ?
also let's be clar being pro consumer never is not about doing things without hurting competition fanbase
it's about adapting as much as possible to consumer segmentations with options and prices
for example, Sony could be near as much as consumer friendly if they wanted by expanding ps now to other platform and releasing games there day one.
it's not impossible they will have to go there if ms plan is a success (but that remain to be seen)
in conclusion if ms can be enough relevant on the market sony will become more consumer friendly
at the same time ,ms must not become too powerfull
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LarknThe4th
Member
I am wary of price rises, but again as a consumer I can cancel if I ever feel like the price isnt justified, for now I'm holding onto my One X and wont be going into the next gen hardware market just yet, but their commitment to Gamepass has pushed me to re sub to the service
midasmulligan
Member
What?
JCK75
Member
I would guess for the same reason nobody said anything when Sony purchased Guerilla Games, Naughty Dog and Insomniac..
When you have the chance to bring on major studios you do it because it's smart..
Can you please stop trying to make Microsoft a badguy and just deal with the fact you're too emotionally wrapped up in Playstation vs Xbox and can't handle that Xbox has games you want to play now. IDAG because I'll get both.
When you have the chance to bring on major studios you do it because it's smart..
Can you please stop trying to make Microsoft a badguy and just deal with the fact you're too emotionally wrapped up in Playstation vs Xbox and can't handle that Xbox has games you want to play now. IDAG because I'll get both.
Dodkrake
Banned
Do I need a drawing?
Exclusives developed by the company are ok, totally cool. Last of Us, Uncharted, Forza, Gears, etc.
Timed-exclusives or buying studios just to get the exclusives? not cool, but the first is way worse
The Alien
Banned
Sony: confirms cost of 1st party exclusives increase to $70.
Microsoft: confirms games by newly acquired studios will drop into GamePass day and date. (GamePass already being the value in gaming.
OP Hot Take: Microsoft anti-consumer.
Me: LOL
Craig: There is no need to be upset.
Microsoft: confirms games by newly acquired studios will drop into GamePass day and date. (GamePass already being the value in gaming.
OP Hot Take: Microsoft anti-consumer.
Me: LOL
Craig: There is no need to be upset.
Blood Borne
Member
They're not anti consumer, if anything, MS is pro consumer.
Amazing how this acquisition is making everyone lose their shit. Don't worry guys, everything will be alright.
Amazing how this acquisition is making everyone lose their shit. Don't worry guys, everything will be alright.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
it's a start and remember Sony is anti consumer to when they start deals to keep street fighter off other platforms amongst other things, ala spiderman from the avengers game
Genx3
Member
for eternity
Rice (..)
Quantum Broken (...)
Tom Braider (12 months)
Cuckhead (12 months)
Dori and the Wiff of 343
.. among others.
MS/XB saved Titan Fall from being cancelled by funding it when EA was going to cancel the game.
That is nothing like what Sony did with Street Fighter a game that was always available on every console ever, paid to keep off of other consoles permanently.
Cup Head is again another game Xbox funded.
Ori is an XB 1st party game fully funded and IP owned by MS/XB.
Quantum Break again is another 1st party game developed by a 3rd party dev.
The only one that fits your agenda was Tomb Raider a game that would have happened without MS's involvement.
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Derktron
Banned
Don't you mean why isn't Sony getting any criticism over the things they are doing? Like for example, lying about making those PS5 games ONLY for PS5 then making a 360 turn and add two games to PS4 and somehow the fanboys are celebrating that yet when Xbox did the same they got criticized to hell because of it. How does that fit into that narrative of yours?
genesisblock
Member
At this point my only concern is their games are cross-genn or not. MS forcing Bethesda to work on the Series S knowing the botchwork they've done for the PS3 only raises concerns from me.
MiguelItUp
Member
Because they're not? They're a functioning company. But I've yet to see them do anything that deserves such a label, that's ridiculous.
Hell, Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo don't deserve such a label.
Hell, Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo don't deserve such a label.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Genx3
Member
for eternity
Rice (..)
Quantum Broken (...)
Tom Braider (12 months)
Cuckhead (12 months)
Dori and the Wiff of 343
.. among others.
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Ok .. here we go
Morrowing, Shemue 2, Ninja Gaiden, GTA4 dlc, PanzerDragon, Phantasy Star Online, Sega GT, Black Stone Magic & Steel, Riddick, Crazy Taxi 3, Dino Crisis 3, Doom 3 and so forth..
Ninja Gaiden was funded by MS. Same with Riddick a game that couldn't run properly on PS2 anyway due to the graphical effects. Sega was purposely avoiding releasing games on Play Station until Sony opened the wallet and bought a VF exclusive.
At the time Marrowind would have never released on any console if it weren't for MS convincing the dev to put it on Xbox then funding it.
Also GTA4 was funded by a Loan that MS gave to Take2/RockStar. That is how 360 got DLC timed exclusivity.
Basically at the time Take 2 couldn't afford to fund the game on their own. MS made an investment but at least the game launched day and date with PS3 and 360. No funny deals like Sony likes to make.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
I really don't understand why game talk is as political as politics sometimes. it's seriously matters who wins an election because that's four years of that person running everything at least. But how much does it really matter which console is winning? You really can't afford to buy both? Like I'm trying to imagine a world where Trump and Biden are both president and you purchase into one of them being president and get their policies but if you like some abiding policies you could just spend a little more money and get them. and I'm picturing in that world people are still having these dumb arguments even though they can do whatever they want. The reason console wars matter is because of the average normie who's only going to buy one or the other but why are video game enthusiasts who join places like neogaf so upset? If you really care this much about gaming you can certainly save up the money to buy both consoles. If you're going to tell me you have a family and you work too many hours to focus on two consoles or whatever the hell else then guess what this shouldn't matter to you. Either this s*** matters to you and you're going to get the console that can play the game that matters to you or it doesn't and you need to admit it and stop crying.
kuncol02
Banned
Morrowind, Riddick, Doom 3 and many other would never work on PS2.for eternity
Rice (..)
Quantum Broken (...)
Tom Braider (12 months)
Cuckhead (12 months)
Dori and the Wiff of 343
.. among others.
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Ok .. here we go
Morrowing, Shemue 2, Ninja Gaiden, GTA4 dlc, PanzerDragon, Phantasy Star Online, Sega GT, Black Stone Magic & Steel, Riddick, Crazy Taxi 3, Dino Crisis 3, Doom 3 and so forth..
massivekettle
Member
Xboys? How old are you?
ToxicPhantom
Member
So you are saying that MS doesnt charge 70$ / game?
IMO game pass is epicly anti-consumer, it is disguised to be "OMG incredible value!", but in reality it is fuck you! to people whom buy their games physical / digital and want to own them.
a) not all games come to GP = now you pay expensive subscription + 70$ for some games
b) MS states that games are worth of 0.1 - few dollars, because they can give them out in GP, but also asking full price from people without GP
c) so it is "get our subscription service or get fucked"
They should drop physical/digital prices to 10-20$ on launch, to make it fair.
All access for 24 months costs 815€ here, which is 953$
for same money you can get series x 509€, 2 years of gold (im assuming it is the same as ps+) for 90-100€ and have 200-220€ left for games that you can OWN.
For 7 year gen GP will cost 815€ + 5x 12.99€ (on sale now) = 815+779,4 = 1594€ = 1863$, then add lets say 10 games that dont come to gp = max 700$
And after that you dont own any games.
So how is paying 1863 - 2500$ so pro-consumer, when it leaves only the old console to you, and maybe those 10 games you bought?
for that gamer could build big library of physical/digital games, specially if they are smart and buy used / from sales.
For reference
my cost of ps4 + 7 years ~399€ console, 7x35€ ps+, 80-100 physical games average 20€, ps4 pro 499€, some digital games 100-150€
around 3200€, but I have also sold old ps4 when trading to pro + sold / traded games for around 1000-1500e = 1700-2200€, and I still own 50-60 physical games including some special editions that would still sell for 300-500€ each.
Add to that all ps+ games, so hundreds of games in the library for price of ps+, kind of what game pass offers without new games. (all dont have years of ps+, i know)
So in the end I have maybe paid little more, but own games and could sell them to be under the price of 7 years of game pass.
My point is, that in the long run GP isnt "incredible value" compared to smart way of buying physical games
And it is kind of "fuck you" to xbox gamers whom like physicals
People whom look monthly payments, like "oh this car is only 200$ month, cheap" are silly, always look what the total cost is and compare that to other options.
Not everyone needs that warm and fuzzy feeling of owning and hugging a physical game. Yes, while there is still a need for physical games, it is not at the same level as it was 8 years ago. So lets get over that everyone wants to OWN the title. I was a physical disc guy at one point and now 95% of my games are digital and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Even though All Access is not for me, I can see where someone that CAN'T drop $500 plus games and accessories, this can be a very viable option. This is no different when people purchase their phone on that 24-month plan from a carrier. Yes, NOT that different.
Your casual consumer is NOT going to do all that breakdown math you did to question themselves, "is this worth it? Will I pay more in the long run? Let me pull out my notebook and do all the calculations." That's ridiculous when they're trying to get something for themselves or their kids now.
Consumers will see All Access and say, "wait, for $25-35/per month, I get this new console, plus I or my kids can play online, and this Game Pass service which is like Netflix…I can have access to all this games? SIGN ME UP!" Compare the monthly cost to what they would have pull to pay in full upfront, yes, that's a great option for your normal, non-Neogaf consumer. If you don't see that, then that's your problem.
Again, I agree, All Access is not for everyone, but it's a great option for many others, whether you agree with the busines practice or not.
As for Game Pass for me, it has been FANTASTIC! I've played a number of games that I would never played because I would have told myself, "that game is not the full price they're asking for." I still buy physical games, but I buy them cheap when they go on sale. There has been so many games that I've had on my wish list and then guess what? It landed in game pass. Time to take it off my wish list and actually play it and it saved me the cost of the game.
So is there value in Game Pass, you damn right there is. Do I feel like I was told "fuck you", as you put it? Absolutely fucking not! Why would I?
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
Did Microsoft use some of that money to buy up some iq points from you people as well? The fuck are half the responses in here haha
ToxicPhantom
Member
Free in the sense they Game Pass users dont have to fork additional money to get a title. I understand what you're saying, but I also understand when people say "free," because I catch myself saying it also.
Hey hey hey, so about that team analogy. If my teams does shit, I stick with my team no matter what, but that's just me.
Laptop1991
Gold Member
Well i've always been a PC gamer, so i certainly don't trust and believe anything Microsoft say, they have never supported PC gaming ever since they got into the console business, so i'll wait and see how good MS are at their word, and i won't be paying for game pass to use their not so great Xbox pc client either, they need to prove they actually support both Xbox and PC and not just want money by trying to control it, which they have tried to do in the past.
RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
So is this a question on what you hypothetically think MS is going to do with Bethesda?
They haven't done anything yet. What's to criticize? There's no guarantee they won't allow Bethesda games to go to PS5.
Personally, I think they'll have them all Gamepass day one, for purchase on PS5. Drives people towards GP / Xbox ecosystem since "free*" -- while still getting a cut and not alienating the Sony crowd.
Nice pearl clutching though.
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Don't support PC gaming?
Crossplay, Play Anywhere, and GamePass Ultimate beg to differ.
They haven't done anything yet. What's to criticize? There's no guarantee they won't allow Bethesda games to go to PS5.
Personally, I think they'll have them all Gamepass day one, for purchase on PS5. Drives people towards GP / Xbox ecosystem since "free*" -- while still getting a cut and not alienating the Sony crowd.
Nice pearl clutching though.
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Don't support PC gaming?
Crossplay, Play Anywhere, and GamePass Ultimate beg to differ.
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