-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Why is no one complaining about MS being "anti-consumer"?
- Thread starter pixelation
- Start date
Laptop1991
Gold Member
Likewise, those 3 things are irrelevant to me as a PC gamer, and they wouldn't make me a PC gamer either.
Knightime_X
Member
Codes 208
Member
Sony generally pays for early access (like cod a month early or exclusive dlc/modes for a whole year *cough* cod/destiny *cough*) which ironically MS used to do last gen, and it sucked back then too honestly.
ms generally continues to support the platforms of their acquisitions. (Like Minecraft games/content still coming to other platforms) and even then you'll still generally see their content at least on pc (even on steam these days) whereas Sony buys generally for keeps.
ms generally continues to support the platforms of their acquisitions. (Like Minecraft games/content still coming to other platforms) and even then you'll still generally see their content at least on pc (even on steam these days) whereas Sony buys generally for keeps.
Last edited:
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You're right, it's different. MS just paid billions to take entire studios and ALL their output away from millions of gamers. Not to give anything new to anyone (Xbox would have gotten those games anyway), only to take it away. And people are celebrating it.
The hypocrisy in this place blows my mind.
Last edited:
I hope those games keep coming to steam and other PC stores and don't get locked into Microsoft's DRM app store box.
That won't happen. Ms is putting all their games on steam now and they are a success. They can keep both revenue streams.
Bumblebeetuna
Banned
The fact that you made this thread with that silly avatar just makes the situation all the more hilarious.
Also, I don't think anyone cared about Sony buying exclusive rights to Deathloop or Final Fantasy 52 for a period of time. What rubs people the wrong way was shit like Destiny, Ubisoft titles, and now Avengers. That's scumbag territory. That's anti consumer, on Sony and whichever publisher they are engaging with and agrees to that nonsense.
What MS did is no different than Sony buying Insomniac. Or like... almost all of their other big studios? I've seen a lot of talk about Microsoft needing to "buy" talent. Naughty Dog, GG, Sucker Punch, MM, Bend. Like half of their studios were bought.
Also, I don't think anyone cared about Sony buying exclusive rights to Deathloop or Final Fantasy 52 for a period of time. What rubs people the wrong way was shit like Destiny, Ubisoft titles, and now Avengers. That's scumbag territory. That's anti consumer, on Sony and whichever publisher they are engaging with and agrees to that nonsense.
What MS did is no different than Sony buying Insomniac. Or like... almost all of their other big studios? I've seen a lot of talk about Microsoft needing to "buy" talent. Naughty Dog, GG, Sucker Punch, MM, Bend. Like half of their studios were bought.
Journey
Banned
The true hypocrisy is that Sony acquired studios long before Microsoft
Do you complain about Uncharted no being on Xbox? I mean was it fair for Sony to acquire Naughty Dog and make their games exclusive to PlayStation and not even on PC?
Do you complain about Ghost to Tsushima only releasing on Playstation? Sony acquired Sucker Punch who are also responsible for the Infamous series.
Should we cry about Days gone? no, it's an exclusive because Sony acquired Bend Studio
Little Big Planet is cute, Dreams is cool, why not on Xbox? because Sony acquired Media Molecule
What about Killzone? why doesn't Killzone come to PC or Xbox? why doesn't Horizon Zero Dawn come to Xbox? oh oh, let me answer that, Sony acquired Guerilla Games
PlayStation would have got those games anyway, Sony purchased the Studios to take the games away from PC and Xbox.
Can you spell hypocrisy?
Last edited:
RavenSan
Off-Site Inflammatory Member
That's fine, they're not for everyone, but it's a bit unfair to say "They don't support PC gaming" when in reality, you just don't find it compelling in the ways that they DO.
This is so delusional. What MS did is actually worse. They removed an entire platform from being able to play Zenimax games anymore. Timed exclusives are just that, timed. Other platform will eventually be able to play the game.
Anybody defending and saying there's a difference between what Sony and MS are doing are playing major mental gymnastics.
ZZZZ
Member
Sony was negotiating a deal to make Starfield timed exclusive, to fuck PC/Xbox gamers one more time.
Last edited:
Laptop1991
Gold Member
i don't know if you were gaming back in 2005, but PC gamers started getting bad ports Saints Row 2 Gta4 etc and quite a few since and had to wait for games to be released after the consoles or not get them at all, EAX got cancelled because of Vista and even the dlc to skyrim, we were behind xbox, not to mention the paid mods introduction that did cause problems at the Nexus, even the price doubling when the Xbox one was released, and that is Microsoft, who saw the PC as a competitor and still want to control it,
So i won't be changing my opinion until i see MS do what they say and not just say it.
I consider myself a Sony fan, but I disagree with OP. How is Microsoft being anti-consumer with the Bethesda acquisition? Some of new Bethesda games will release on the PS5, they said it will be decided on a case-by-case basis. If this was Sony buying Bethesda, I am pretty sure they would stop releasing their games on any platform other than PS5.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Holy shit are you serious?
Sony could literally get away with anything this gen and Microsoft got flack for everything.
What cave have you been living in the last 7 years?
vpance
Member
People also forget they're denying (potentially) a larger user base in PlayStation owners, and far more gamers are affected.
Alebrije
Member
This is consoles war again....it never changes. its like PS2 days only difference is that MS instean of buying exclusives buys studios.
MS does not want to develop games they want to control how you get them. That is where the money is. Gamepass is thier new console not the Series X.
So I imagine this will happen :
SONY : Fallout 5 should also come to PS5.
MS : Do you want that game on PS5? Sure just put God of War on Gamepass and we have a deal.
MS does not want to develop games they want to control how you get them. That is where the money is. Gamepass is thier new console not the Series X.
So I imagine this will happen :
SONY : Fallout 5 should also come to PS5.
MS : Do you want that game on PS5? Sure just put God of War on Gamepass and we have a deal.
Last edited:
RoadHazard
Gold Member
All of the franchises you mention were created by Sony (by studios already owned by them), and have never been on other platforms. Nothing was taken away from anyone. That's obviously different than buying up publishers to take away some of the most popular existing 3rd party franchises from millions of gamers.
Last edited:
Another dumb post with mental gymnastics who doesn't get the point.
None of those games were multiplatform. In fact, those games didn't exist until AFTER Sony bought those studios.
MS bought a company who has huge well known AAA games that's available on ALL PLATFORMS. Now those games won't be available anymore on PlayStation consoles. They removed 100 million people from buying games that sold millions on PS consoles. That's the most anti consumer thing ever. Phil Spencer talk of not liking exclusive deals and gamers not being able to play was always bullshit. Just like most of the post in this thread now defending this practice.
Last edited:
ZZZZ
Member
hm..what? How does PC gamers getting bad ports from Saints row and GTA 4 Microsoft's fault?
The paid mods fiasco on Skyrim was Bethesda's idea, the backlash was too big and it never got any traction.
They are bringing their games day 1 to PC on gamepass, in the future you won't even need a PC because they will bring it to your phones through Xcloud.
Sometimes i don't understand SonyGAF.
If Playstation buys a studio, that game will not come out in any other platform, you have to buy a plastation.
If Microsoft buys a studio, you can play those games on your PC, sometimes they will port it to the switch (Ori), and in the future they will make these games available to your Phones.
How is that the same thing?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sony was negotiating a deal to make Starfield timed exclusive, to fuck PC/Xbox gamers one more time.
I'm not a fan of that either, but buying timed exclusivity for a single game is rather different than buying up an entire publisher and making all of their games permanently exclusive (if that's what will happen).
What MS has done here is far more negative for far more gamers than anything Sony has ever done. And you guys are celebrating it. The ultimate fanboyism.
Last edited:
MilkyJoe
Member
Like how Sony have done in the past?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I could understand your fear is Sony bought something and was playing somewhere else. But Microsoft doesn't use to be a bitch like Sony and cut other people off.
Theres a huge difference. Sony would first party everything, Microsoft probably still sell on your blue platform. Just like at Minecraft and Minecraft dungeons.
ZZZZ
Member
I already answered, those games will come out on PC and Phones (in the future with Xcloud), it's not the same as Sony acquiring a studio and forcing you to buy a playstation just to play their games.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
We'll see. Most people seem to think that won't be the case.
I don't have a gaming PC, and I won't play AAA games on a fucking phone lol.
Last edited:
Genx3
Member
MS will be developing those games now.
That's why they bought those studios.
Or do you think Sony is not developing any of ND's, Insomniac's, Guerilla's games?
Just because MS bought Zenimax doesn't mean they are all of a suddenly abandoning the rest of their 16 studios.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
If it was the case then PS5 wouldn't get Minecraft dungeons.
But hey, would be nice for Microsoft to have some exclusives right?
Tbh I would think they'd go exclusive. A buyout on Bethesda for 7.5 billion would only make sense if they first party it, otherwise there were no reason from a business point.
It will take ages to earn those billions back from game sales alone, so would just have been a waste of money.
ZZZZ
Member
That's the thing though, you have options, and PC's and Phones have other uses besides playing games.
Sony doesn't give you that option, they just force you to buy the console.
Kagey K
Banned
I've been told repeatedly here that people will go where the games they want to play are, or did that suddenly change now?
If they really want to play those games they have multiple options on where they can go to play them.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
the irony is Microsoft is just doing what Sony are doing
phil_t98
#SonyToo
you mean when Sony bought the studios they own? like will we ever get to play sunset overdrive sequel on xbox?
Kerotan
Member
And Sony are doing what MS started doing during the 360 years. Funny how people forgot MS are the original aggressors between Sony and MS.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
and Sony doing what Sony did during the Saturn years remember buying the studio that made wipeout in Liverpool so their games were exclusive, also making sure that the tomb raider sequels were on PS and not any other console
Last edited:
Journey
Banned
There was a point in time where the studios were creating games that became PlayStation only after the purchase, you're just salty about the timing.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Insomniac has basically been a Sony exclusive studio for years, and SO was a failure and would never get a sequel anyway.
Last edited:
Journey
Banned
phil_t98
#SonyToo
erm no they haven't they have been their own studio. they could choose to put games where they wanted and now they can't
manfestival
Member
Imagine being this salty over exclusives lol. Been a hardcore PC gamer for over 20 years and it seems like you people never learn. Salty tears over exclusives never end.
Journey
Banned
LIES!
Convenient to contort the truth to push your point, but any games that are currently in production or already out will remain on ALL platforms. Future games developed under Xbox Game Studios will be released accordingly. EXACTLY the same way Sony did it.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You know what I mean. I think most would agree that the Insomniac acquisition was very natural due to their relationship with Sony. MS buying Zenimax was not.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Do you know the difference between a game and a FRANCHISE? It's NOT the same.
splattered
Member
I don't know what you guys are complaining about, it just means more gamers now need to go out and buy an Xbox to play these games. Just like Xbox owners may one day have to go out and buy Playstations to play the Final Fantasy series. This kind of stuff happens.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
end of the day it doesn't matter if the studio has a good relationship or not it still the same thing.
Forsythia
Member
I thought most people agreed that first party exclusives are fine. Well, Bethesda is first party now. Or paying for the development of a game (example: Bloodborne). That's fine. It's different than moneyhatting third party games and content for timed exclusivity.
At least with MS you're not locked into a console. You can play the games on PC or use xCloud.
At least with MS you're not locked into a console. You can play the games on PC or use xCloud.
martino
Member
Sony also locked spiderman license to themselves , it was third party for a long time before that.
in the end what matter is not who has the ip...it's options and conditions you give to consumer to get access to it.
and also option like cross play counts too in some cases.
yep people forget being good with consumer is just that, freedom and options to do things....
And by that definition MS is also anti consumer, it's just that in current situation they are a lot less than Sony on a lot of things (because they are in seduction mode)
Last edited: