OldJadedGamer
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Yeah, cause I thought for a second it was a multiplayer game and it isn't. He did say "identical" though regardless of reason.
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Why is XBL still the superior online service...
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Yeah, cause I thought for a second it was a multiplayer game and it isn't. He did say "identical" though regardless of reason.
polyh3dron
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Microsoft already had XBL going last gen and was able to use that as a foundation for what they would implement in this gen, and therefore they designed their console from the ground up with most of the major features already in mind. PSN however is largely tacked on and it suffers as a result. All of the cross-game stuff that was in XBL from the start had to be retrofitted onto a console that wasn't initially made with it in mind.
That is why XBL is still the superior online service. If Sony gets their shit together and improves PSN service on the PS4 from the get go they could do just as well.
That is why XBL is still the superior online service. If Sony gets their shit together and improves PSN service on the PS4 from the get go they could do just as well.
Kazuma Kiryu
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568.1 million software sales is bad?
You don't know what you're talking about. Netflix on PS3 has been superior ever since it was available without a disc. 1080p, 5.1, subtitles, and no cover charge.
I actually did a pretty extensive test comparing the download speeds. Xbox live has never, ever given me the download speed I can get on my PC. It wasn't even faster than the 1.5MB/s I was getting on my PS3. Speeds were the same. My internet connection allows me downloads at about 12.5MB/s. Is that proof that XBL has crappy download speeds?
Baconsammy
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It's proof yours does. It's not remotely close to the number of people online expressing issues with PSN speeds though is it? I wouldn't have suggested that PSN speeds were a bigger problem than just for me if I wasn't also aware of the sheer numbers of people with the same problem as me.
Of course I know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the interface, not the capabilities. I despise the Netflix interface on XBL and PSN. And love the one on Apple TV. No cover charge.
perception. When I got my current internet connection and wasn't getting full speed downloads, I checked the internet and many people report about it. Maybe it's just some countries that don't get great speeds? Could be a reason why you don't stumble across complaints.
Baconsammy
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perception. When I got my current internet connection and wasn't getting full speed downloads, I checked the internet and many people report about it. Maybe it's just some countries that don't get great speeds? Could be a reason why you don't stumble across complaints.
The issues I'm referring to vary across country, within the same country, wired, wireless, router, no router, and across numerous ISPs. The only thing we all seem to have in common is we're using PSN. I've done the research in my effort to improve my PSN speeds. If you do the same with XBL and also find a huge pattern, let me know.
OldJadedGamer
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Regarding slow PSN speeds, here was the last GAF thread on it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462975
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462975
Pachterballs
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Id say its not.
The last online only game I bought for it... was p2p? (gears3). There's no value proposition for me if they don't have servers and I'm paying them for a service that's free on PC+PS3.
The only thing I can say is; get those gold 12 year passes on sale.
The last online only game I bought for it... was p2p? (gears3). There's no value proposition for me if they don't have servers and I'm paying them for a service that's free on PC+PS3.
The only thing I can say is; get those gold 12 year passes on sale.
@bold: this is why I have XBL and I imagine it's the reason many others do too. That really has nothing to do with quality of online service though... they just had the userbase from the earlier launch and previous most popular FPS. PSN was unproven and the PS3 wasn't even an option when I got my 360.
Now, the XBL doesn't seem to improve at all even with the increased subscription fee and ad-vomit all over the dashboard. PSN is way better than where it started without mandatory fees.
We have cross game invites btw.
How big is the patch for that game? Because I'll find a game I haven't played for awhile and see if it updates at the same rate if that makes you happy.
I thought, given we are in a topic about online, that it would be understood I was talking about online.
If it was an issue for a significant amount of players there would be a study. Sounds like it's a problem on your end.
Baconsammy
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Yeah, that must be it.
Gears 3 has dedicated servers.
If it happened to any significant amount of people some major site would have covered it. They have pages about minor graphical differences, it's safe to say they'd front page shocking news about dogshit PSN download speeds.
Only if you buy the DLC though right?
OldJadedGamer
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So I can be in Hot Shots Golf and you can be in Uncharted 3 and I can send you an invite to my game and you'll automatically be transferred to my online lobby to play a round of golf with me? No, you can't. With PSN you never know what you are going to get. It's a gamble with each game on what is going to be supported. With XBL, it's a standard that all games support. Just like knowing I can automute everyone that isn't on my friends list. I don't have to worry if a game supports it or not. I know that a game released yesterday or a game released in 2005 will have that option.
I have no clue, it's not a PSN speed issue... it's a game patching issue and again just goes back to what I have been saying you roll the dice with each game you buy for the system and how it will react. Every patch on 360 since 2005 takes seconds.
That's why I edited it out. He quoted me before the edit.
What? Uh, since when?
You seem to place an awful amount of importance to something you see less than 1% of the time when you use Netflix. As long as you can get to the content that you need without much effort, the interface has done its job. I certainly don't subscribe to Netflix for the interface, but for the CONTENT.
And the PS3 interface works just fine, any reasonable person would think the same.
I can invite cross game which you said was unavailable, lol. So if I invite someone to play Trials Evolution with me who is playing Halo 3, they will warp to my lobby without having to sit through the startup of the game or anything like that? Damn, I need that update.
If it's not about PSN and the service provided by Sony then it's irrelevant to the discussion. They don't have control over everything.
@bold: Takes seconds to what?
I wasn't sure that's why I was asking.
I think you can get better speed with your X360. Not sure about your PS3 (looks like everyone problem: 10% of speed or something).
Funny me and soul calibur friends haven't been updating at all in seconds. I've seen it for other games and while it smooth for some that's just a bit of hyperbole. Not everything is perfect with xbl or close to it. Console gaming period needs to make huge strides especially services that ask me to pay with meager benefits compared to what I get for free with psn or pc.
Well no. Epic have forked out for them since their ability to net code properly is clearly shit.
All the better for it. Gears 3 online is fucking awesome.
I agree, much better than Gears 2 host-shotgun-dogshit.
Baconsammy
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Most "reasonable" people come up with their own criteria, and don't use those of other people when deciding what they do and don't like.
OldJadedGamer
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My example was two Sony published titles. They have total control over their own titles. Seconds to patch 360 games. A minute in an extreme condition. A far cry from 5 hours to patch with some Sony first party games.
R_thanatos
Member
Funny you know how to use google ..i guess those people could use it too to know what to do to correctly connect their consoles to the net ..
A quick google search and you'll have everything you need to reach NAT 2 on PS3 and download/play properly ...
i can google Xbox live speed issues and find the very same thing ...
This is nothing but perspective ..Many games have huge patches now Both on XBL or PSN for every publisher
If you compare third party multiplatform titles the size of game patching isn't that different and the time to download it the same..
I can take for reference , 2 games i've tried , street fighter arcade edition & nfs hot pursuit..
THE SAME
If it's a specific problem a game is facing it really has nothing to do with PSN. I'm not even sure it does have update problems and I don't feel like spending money to test it.
After someone suggested it takes 15 minutes to install a 2gb download, I really don't trust any times you guys give.
Baconsammy
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"Correctly connect their consoles to the net". Or rather than use Google, you could plug in your console, take an ethernet cable and connect it to your switch/router/hub and connect. You know, like nearly every single other device on the planet does it. You do need Google though when you've connected correctly and download speeds suck. That's when you find worthless suggestions about NAT 2 etc that do nothing to increase the speeds due to the issue being on Sony's end, not ours. Could be an issue that there's a lack of servers compared to the number XBL has. Don't know. All I know is I wish I had better speeds.
Yeah, you can Google XBL speed issues. You'll find some too. You wont find nearly the same number of people with problems as exist on PSN. Not even close.
of all the game you could've picked you chose the one with dedicated servers.
OldJadedGamer
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It has to do with the PSN patching process which is what was originally being discussed. Again, don't take my word for it. Ask any HSG owner.
I don't agree I use both crookedthumbs on psn drunkentriggaz on live. I pay for live I don't have to cheaper isn't better. Your comment about more players without the paywall is laughable. PSN is the system with games constantly getting there online shut down. I can still play PD0 and COD2 online today. and COD 2 still has enough players to get a game.
Then you mention a bunch of f2p games that aren't on the PS3???? Dude you are reaching.
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The One and Done
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I don't agree with the OP
R_thanatos
Member
First i didn't imply that you need google to do that ..i just said that the information is there in case you don't get it ...
How many users are behind a ISP on his own network or a specific equipement and you need a correct config to do the trick ? Many ... It's easy to blame Sony or PSn or the console when between their servers and your console there are plenty of other factors that affect each network ( XBL or PSN ) differently.
As for the number of issues on the net , fell free to count , you'll waste your time , the fact is that the issue is also present , and many are aware of it ... In a earlier work , i met many customers unable to play/download properly on XBL and i just told them 1 bit of info and they were fine .. i guess they should have gone your route and accusing whoever of being the culprit because they didn't bother to look for clues by themselves ... that's how many are these days ..they want everything without even bothering to look if they can find/learn by themselves..
Now back on topic ..Even if the number of occurences of the problem is less than on PSN ( something that you can't prove either ) , the fact is that the problem exist.. i guess even with people affected you'll continue your way saying that X is superior to Y for that specific reason , when your argument can go both ways ... what a logic.
If the patching process was to blame wouldn't it be the same experience for all patched games?
Baconsammy
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Basic logic would then indicate the problem would be universal in any home that had a PS3 experiencing speed problems. The fact of the matter is that it's more prevalent with PS3s than with 360s. Just one of my numerous reasons why I still prefer XBL vastly over PSN. I use both, but the OP asked for a preference. I gave it. Give yours and move on.
R_thanatos
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NO basic network logic doesn't work like that ... For internet , especially with ADSL technology ( commonly used i guess ) , each home has is own set of problems that can affect your view of online services differently ..
This is especially true when you look at available speed and ping. In a single neighbourhood, there are several things affecting everyone , different ways ...
I love how you decided that it's a problem more common to ps3 than the 360 when you can't prove that ...
This is because only a small amount of games have this issue ..
You can add eye of judgement to the list ... patching is horrible ,slow and clunky ( you can have for 18 hours ) but is an exception..again not the rule
This patching system has been abandonned since ages ...
I can't believe you are still fighting this battle. It's so common that PS3 dl slower. I've had both systems relatively since launch had a apartment and two homes PS3 has always been vastly slower. And any one I know say the same I"ve even heard it on ign's fanboy PS3 podcast beyond about them complaining about slow PSN. It's a given as far as I'm concerned XBL you have to pay PSN is slower. So go can compare from those starting points.
BruiserBear
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You've had "less issues" on PSN? Let's hear about your Xbox Live "issues".
Baconsammy
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Except it is proven, unless of course XBL users are wallowing in silence about terrible speeds, which no intelligent person would ever suggest because people with issues love to state those issues.
Guys it's on a podcast that PSN is slower, wrap it up, nothing left to see here.
R_thanatos
Member
Allow me to laugh just a moment ..
It's proven .... People in this discution have been asking for your proof yet i've seen nothing
Where is the "proof" ?
No i mean really ... i'm serious , where is it ?
DangerousDave
Member
I think all we can agree in one thing.
XBL has the best paid console online.
PSN has the best free console online.
XBL has the best paid console online.
PSN has the best free console online.
OldJadedGamer
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Agree. I said before, all PSN faults are forgiven because of the cost of entry. If they charge next gen there will be no excuses though.
Baconsammy
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You mean proof other than the thousands of google entries that pop up or the thread here at our very own GAF? Not sure why I've engaged with someone so long who seemingly enjoys to argue like an infant, but that ends now. If you want to take a more mature approach to discussing this, I'll gladly continue, otherwise good riddance. There's better ways to have a discussion with people than the approach you've taken, even when you disagree wholeheartedly with their side.
Truth. If I had to pay for PSN, I'd be pissed. But its pricepoint softens all the issues I have, so Sony has more leeway with me to suck (like going down for a couple months last year). Whereas if Microsoft screws up, I, and I assume many others, will go ballistic.
DangerousDave
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Yep. I only play a few times online. I prefer the campaign than the multiplayer, always. So, for me, XBL give me less, because I don't pay Live, and I have a lot of options (that are not even related with online) blocked, that I can enjoy on PSN.
But for other people, that play often online, the cost of entry is cheap (not the official, but if you look for internet) enought to have the full package if you are really going to use it. And I can accept than, specially on US, where there are more services than in my country, the gold package is better than PSN free offer. Still not worthy for me.
But, if PSN start being charged for online, even if it's a couple of dollars each month, I won't pay it, even if this blocks me half the features.
and a million other people complained through out the net but lets ignore those.
That's not proof just a really good case to be made. Proof would be a benchmark as one could easily do with all the variable involved. Show me a benchmark showing that wireless or ethernet that a PS3 cannot match or be within 15% of the total of an xbox 360 throughput and I might shut up.
For someone talking about infancy you do it well and could end it with real facts instead of useless forum conjecture that only contains zealotry. Neither side has proven their case yet if one side wanted too they could do it like the pc boys do it and benchmark. There is nothing to stop various people here packet sniffing and making real tests besides people who don't want to eat crow or look stupid. I'm not believer in either side but if I was I'd have something to bring to the table.
R_thanatos
Member
Nice one ..google entires exist for both problems
Thread on Gaf is just one of those entries ..as i said PSn being slower than Xbl is not a general fact and plenty of people have even speed on both services .
You're the one ignoring everything that has been said that might prove you wrong
No proof given , let's move on then ... i guess asking for at least 1 link was too much
Let's ignore people that complain about Xbl speed too then /Sarcasm..