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Why Men Aren’t Really Men Anymore

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What makes a male a "man" is really much more personal than the article would lead you to believe. It's not some stereotypical cookie-cutter situation.
 
Just do you. Forget about what it means to be anything besides yourself. Guy like me can have a weekend full of getting greased up with a bevy of likeminded individuals, let loose, and see what your soul truly is. Why not me? Take a step. Be a star.
 
Mudkips said:
Education? Education from kindergarten through college has bent over backwards to cater to girls, leaving boys by the wayside. Where I work, female students outnumber male students 3:2. If it were reversed, it would be seen as a problem that everyone needs to address in order to help female students. Dropout rates at the high school level reflect similar patterns.
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I perhaps didn't notice this at my school, but how is education catered to girls?
 
Plywood said:
But what makes men, men? What is a man?
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Well if you have male gonads and you've developed secondary sex characteristics (body hair/facial hair/enlarged vocal cords/other pubertal processes) that biologically identify you as adult, developmentally speaking, you're biologically a man, no?
 
CornBurrito said:
I perhaps didn't notice this at my school, but how is education catered to girls?
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Why does education need to cater to any particular gender? there's nothing that is taught in education that requires catering to the illusion of gender roles.
 
Karkador said:
In case you need the whole picture, here's the companion piece:

Why Women Aren't Really Women Anymore
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I'm a busy non-man, he should just write a combination piece called Everyone Sucks, And Only I Can See It.

Mudkips said:
It the annual "Where have all the real men gone?" article.
The answer is always the same. Western society has increasingly demonized male roles and traits over the past few decades, so many men wisely reject them and the burdens that come with them.

Marriage? Outside of taxes and health care, marriage is pretty much pointless. Most end in divorce and the family courts are disgustingly unfair to men. Men who get married are suckers waiting to happen, and men who don't get married are "afraid of commitment". Women who get married have achieved a major life accomplishment, women who don't get married are strong and independent.

Kids? Fathers aren't exactly respected like they used to be. Mothers are the most respected (and marketed to) group in the world, but fathers are often seen as little more than sperm and money donors. Fathers that do care about kids (their own or others) and try to take an active part in their lives will instantly be suspected of being a pedophile.

Work? A man who chooses to be a stay-at-home dad or a house husband is a laughing stock. Want to be a nurse or a teacher? Good luck, and even if you do land the job, have fun trying to get ahead, dealing with the mockery, etc. Yet a man who expects his wife to stay home to handle the kids or the household is seen as oppressive or insecure, and is still expected to handle an equal share of the family/household duties despite working 9-5 8-5 plus a commute.

Education? Education from kindergarten through college has bent over backwards to cater to girls, leaving boys by the wayside. Where I work, female students outnumber male students 3:2. If it were reversed, it would be seen as a problem that everyone needs to address in order to help female students. Dropout rates at the high school level reflect similar patterns.

You can't cry about the lack of "real men" among young males after spending a generation hating them for acting like men and insisting they "get in touch with their feminine side". Some people want males to "man up" or "take it like a man". Why should they?
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I don't even know where to begin. This is even more misogynist than anything Elite Daily could come up with.
 
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The next article we read form him will be about "Men try to hard to act masculine"
 
Why are nerds so infatuated with the 50s and shit like facial hair? The guy who wrote the article sounds like a chump.
 
Lafiel said:
Why does education need to cater to any particular gender? there's nothing that is taught in education that requires catering to the illusion of gender roles.
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Shop class
 
The Lamp said:
Well if you have male gonads and you've developed secondary sex characteristics (body hair/facial hair/enlarged vocal cords/other pubertal processes) that biologically identify you as adult, developmentally speaking, you're biologically a man, no?
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Yeah, if you like football.
 
What makes a man is his genetic makeup. The type of man looked for in this article seems to be the essential womanizer and materialist. In other words, a lame James Bond. This article is sexist, and screams beta. Less serious note, I've been drinking black coffee since I was a child. (No joke, I really have. I am right now, actually. It's delicious)
 
Mudkips said:
Western society has increasingly demonized male roles and traits over the past few decades, so many men wisely reject them and the burdens that come with them.
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Probably more like western society is expanding the variety of male roles and traits, but there is still a strong contigency if people resisting it, who erroneously think the world should be narrow and that saying new roles are okay means we're discarding the old ones.

Marriage? Outside of taxes and health care, marriage is pretty much pointless. Most end in divorce and the family courts are disgustingly unfair to men.
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We've had these discussions in other threads, and it is a fair point, but it's something that can also be attributed to society's narrow view of gender roles (both genders are at fault)

Men who get married are suckers waiting to happen, and men who don't get married are "afraid of commitment". Women who get married have achieved a major life accomplishment, women who don't get married are strong and independent.
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I would say this is probably the case for a lot of men, too (or easily could be). The problem is perception and messages that keep getting put out there- and still, somehow, the people on gaming side seem to not at all understand how a simple message (and the repetition of said message) can be so harmful and limiting.


Kids? Fathers aren't exactly respected like they used to be. Mothers are the most respected (and marketed to) group in the world, but fathers are often seen as little more than sperm and money donors. Fathers that do care about kids (their own or others) and try to take an active part in their lives will instantly be suspected of being a pedophile.
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Err, I think you've overstepped sound reasoning here. Being an active and caring father does not instantly put suspicion on you of being a pedophile, not sure what would make you say that.

Work? A man who chooses to be a stay-at-home dad or a house husband is a laughing stock.
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A stay-at-home anyone (male or female) is considered to be an odd thing in today's society/economy.
 
Absolute drivel. Every generation since antiquity has said shit like this about their own generation or the one after them. Let's just get it all out of the way:

The children don't have any respect for their elders and traditions
The men are getting less manly
The world is going to hell in a hand-basket
 
Frost_Ace said:
Couldn't resist :p
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The moment I saw that question I knew this would happen, took a lot longer than I thought it would.

But yeah, I get both sides of this very often. Older people tend to say that I'm one of these stupid elites because I wear dress jackets casually and act somewhat civil towards them, while younger people tend to say I'm not a man because I play videogames and watch anime. It's too subjective to really mean anything.
 
Mudkips said:
It the annual "Where have all the real men gone?" article.
The answer is always the same. Western society has increasingly demonized male roles and traits over the past few decades, so many men wisely reject them and the burdens that come with them.

Marriage? Outside of taxes and health care, marriage is pretty much pointless. Most end in divorce and the family courts are disgustingly unfair to men. Men who get married are suckers waiting to happen, and men who don't get married are "afraid of commitment". Women who get married have achieved a major life accomplishment, women who don't get married are strong and independent.

Kids? Fathers aren't exactly respected like they used to be. Mothers are the most respected (and marketed to) group in the world, but fathers are often seen as little more than sperm and money donors. Fathers that do care about kids (their own or others) and try to take an active part in their lives will instantly be suspected of being a pedophile.

Work? A man who chooses to be a stay-at-home dad or a house husband is a laughing stock. Want to be a nurse or a teacher? Good luck, and even if you do land the job, have fun trying to get ahead, dealing with the mockery, etc. Yet a man who expects his wife to stay home to handle the kids or the household is seen as oppressive or insecure, and is still expected to handle an equal share of the family/household duties despite working 9-5 8-5 plus a commute.

Education? Education from kindergarten through college has bent over backwards to cater to girls, leaving boys by the wayside. Where I work, female students outnumber male students 3:2. If it were reversed, it would be seen as a problem that everyone needs to address in order to help female students. Dropout rates at the high school level reflect similar patterns.

You can't cry about the lack of "real men" among young males after spending a generation hating them for acting like men and insisting they "get in touch with their feminine side". Some people want males to "man up" or "take it like a man". Why should they?
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At least Bulbo has the good taste to mock his own caveman opinions.
 
CornBurrito said:
I don't think it does. I am asking Mudkips how (current) education is geared towards girls.
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this is actually a known thing.

Are today's classrooms biased against boys? From the NEA.

the short story is that girls and boys mature at different rates, and young boys respond to a more competitive, hands on learning environment than girls do. Boys also benefit from male role models within the classroom, and male primary school teachers are as rare as unicorns.
 
RDreamer said:
I never got the big hoopla over being a "man" or being a "woman." Just be whoever the fuck you are.
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People who feel insecure about who they are as humans need a placard to rally behind to feel like they matter. This is just the same weak tribalism.

Manmademan said:
this is actually a known thing.

Are today's classrooms biased against boys? From the NEA.

the short story is that girls and boys mature at different rates, and young boys respond to a more competitive, hands on learning environment than girls do. Boys also benefit from male role models within the classroom, and male primary school teachers are as rare as unicorns.
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That's disingenuous. Just because our education system is failing boys in different ways does not at all mean it's geared toward girls.
 
KieferCrimson said:
A girl in my Facebook feed posts incessantly about "real men" and how, basically, they must put up with her bullshit and incredibly weird standards in order to be considered for a date.

The fact that she posts that shit everyday, no one comments on it, except desperate 'u so pretty grl" guys and how she posts that more often on weekends, makes it more fun.

Can't delete her because she's a coworked and need to share info with her, I'm aware I can use the inbox just fine, but it's always fun to see it.
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You can unfollow people on Facebook so that you can ignore the posts, if that matters at all.

Anyway, yeah this guy is full of absolute crap.
 
Mudkips said:
It the annual "Where have all the real men gone?" article.
The answer is always the same. Western society has increasingly demonized male roles and traits over the past few decades, so many men wisely reject them and the burdens that come with them.
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Damn son. That's salty.

Mudkips said:
Marriage? Outside of taxes and health care, marriage is pretty much pointless. Most end in divorce and the family courts are disgustingly unfair to men. Men who get married are suckers waiting to happen, and men who don't get married are "afraid of commitment". Women who get married have achieved a major life accomplishment, women who don't get married are strong and independent.
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Wow. I'm a sucker then. Maybe my marriage will end in divorce one day, but I wouldn't trade the time I had with my wife for anything else in the world.

Mudkips said:
Kids? Fathers aren't exactly respected like they used to be. Mothers are the most respected (and marketed to) group in the world, but fathers are often seen as little more than sperm and money donors. Fathers that do care about kids (their own or others) and try to take an active part in their lives will instantly be suspected of being a pedophile.
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Nope. Not in my experience. Believe it or not, a guy with a kid is respected and people will look to ya if they need help.

Mudkips said:
Work? A man who chooses to be a stay-at-home dad or a house husband is a laughing stock. Want to be a nurse or a teacher? Good luck, and even if you do land the job, have fun trying to get ahead, dealing with the mockery, etc. Yet a man who expects his wife to stay home to handle the kids or the household is seen as oppressive or insecure, and is still expected to handle an equal share of the family/household duties despite working 9-5 8-5 plus a commute.
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I've yet to see someone laugh at my decision to stay home and raise my son. I doubt I'd have a standing offer to come back to my old job if I were being laughed at behind my back.

Mudkips said:
Education? Education from kindergarten through college has bent over backwards to cater to girls, leaving boys by the wayside. Where I work, female students outnumber male students 3:2. If it were reversed, it would be seen as a problem that everyone needs to address in order to help female students. Dropout rates at the high school level reflect similar patterns.
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When education becomes a choice it's no longer a matter of gender.

Mudkips said:
You can't cry about the lack of "real men" among young males after spending a generation hating them for acting like men and insisting they "get in touch with their feminine side". Some people want males to "man up" or "take it like a man". Why should they?
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It's up to each person to define what they believe is a proper 'Man' or 'Woman', but don't let the haters define ya.
 
Mudkips said:
It the annual "Where have all the real men gone?" article.
The answer is always the same. Western society has increasingly demonized male roles and traits over the past few decades, so many men wisely reject them and the burdens that come with them.

Marriage? Outside of taxes and health care, marriage is pretty much pointless. Most end in divorce and the family courts are disgustingly unfair to men. Men who get married are suckers waiting to happen, and men who don't get married are "afraid of commitment". Women who get married have achieved a major life accomplishment, women who don't get married are strong and independent.

Kids? Fathers aren't exactly respected like they used to be. Mothers are the most respected (and marketed to) group in the world, but fathers are often seen as little more than sperm and money donors. Fathers that do care about kids (their own or others) and try to take an active part in their lives will instantly be suspected of being a pedophile.

Work? A man who chooses to be a stay-at-home dad or a house husband is a laughing stock. Want to be a nurse or a teacher? Good luck, and even if you do land the job, have fun trying to get ahead, dealing with the mockery, etc. Yet a man who expects his wife to stay home to handle the kids or the household is seen as oppressive or insecure, and is still expected to handle an equal share of the family/household duties despite working 9-5 8-5 plus a commute.

Education? Education from kindergarten through college has bent over backwards to cater to girls, leaving boys by the wayside. Where I work, female students outnumber male students 3:2. If it were reversed, it would be seen as a problem that everyone needs to address in order to help female students. Dropout rates at the high school level reflect similar patterns.

You can't cry about the lack of "real men" among young males after spending a generation hating them for acting like men and insisting they "get in touch with their feminine side". Some people want males to "man up" or "take it like a man". Why should they?
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I don't agree with everything here. But the gist is that expanding of male roles has not been something that society has praised generally. Men who choose singlehood are thought as lonely freaks.
 
Kano on the Phone said:
That's disingenuous. Just because our education system is failing boys in different ways does not at all mean it's geared toward girls.
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Did you read any of the articles? The Atlantic Article posted before mine is excellent, and most certainly DOES make a good case that current primary education is geared towards women.
 
Manmademan said:
Did you read any of the articles? The Atlantic Article posted before mine is excellent, and most certainly DOES make a good case that current primary education is geared towards women.
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Good post.

I wish we can have these discussion without people getting so defensive about this stuff.

Saying education is geared toward girls is not an attack on women or girls. It's actually an indictment on the original feminist notions that the sexes are not different in terms of psychological makeup, and that the only things that differentiates the genders is there sex organs.
 
Manmademan said:
Did you read any of the articles? The Atlantic Article posted before mine is excellent, and most certainly DOES make a good case that current primary education is geared towards women.
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I read and replied to your article. If the other one is better than you should have posted that one because the one you posted was weak. The other one still doesn't make a good case.

entrement said:
Good post.

I wish we can have these discussion without people getting so defensive about this stuff.

Saying education is geared toward girls is not an attack on women or girls.
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Who's getting defensive? SImply dismissing a disagreement as being defensive doesn't speak much for your argument. I'm open to hearing whatever point you have to make if you have a valid one.
 
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