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Why most of Star Wars episodes suck (Gary Kurtz inteview)

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grandjedi6 said:
Actually those are pretty accurate interpretations of a start-up company and office bureaucracy respectively :lol
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I just got a wonderful mental image of Steve Jobs Force choking Papermaster.

Puddles said:
Was anyone else made physically ill by the new song they added to the Jabba's Palace scene?

The musical number from the original edition was pretty cool, IMO. The music was somewhat eerie, and it was paced well, ending with the alien stripper getting thrown into the Rancor pit.

The replacement number was god-awful. Pretty sure any random GAFfer from a music thread could compose a better song than that, and they added the Honeycomb cereal creature as the lead singer. I'm still traumatized.
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I refuse to believe that was a serious addition. I choose to believe Lucas lost a bet.

Space A Cobra said:
Also on the subject of Jedi, is it just me or did Luke unnecessary kill a bunch of innocent party goers when he blew up Jabba's barge? Seemed like he defeated all the guards as there were no more coming after him by then. Amusing if so.
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In a Penny Arcade podcast a couple years ago, they pointed out that, according to some sectors of the Expanded Universe, Luke killed almost a million people when he blew up the first Death Star. A million people! Dude's a serial killer.
 
Puddles said:
Was anyone else made physically ill by the new song they added to the Jabba's Palace scene?

The musical number from the original edition was pretty cool, IMO. The music was somewhat eerie, and it was paced well, ending with the alien stripper getting thrown into the Rancor pit.

The replacement number was god-awful. Pretty sure any random GAFfer from a music thread could compose a better song than that, and they added the Honeycomb cereal creature as the lead singer. I'm still traumatized.
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Yeah, that is pretty much the worst part of the Special Editons.

I really dont give a shit about the changes in in the first movie and ESB SEs (in fact, ESBs SE is pretty good imo), but that musical number in Jedi is TORTURE and single handedly brings down the entire movie.
 
Puddles said:
Was anyone else made physically ill by the new song they added to the Jabba's Palace scene?

The musical number from the original edition was pretty cool, IMO. The music was somewhat eerie, and it was paced well, ending with the alien stripper getting thrown into the Rancor pit.

The replacement number was god-awful. Pretty sure any random GAFfer from a music thread could compose a better song than that, and they added the Honeycomb cereal creature as the lead singer. I'm still traumatized.
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Absolutely. People bitch about a lot of the other Special Edition stuff, but the "Jedi Rocks" song is the #1 worst addition for me. I actually like the new RotJ ending song and celebration shots. And, sorry purists, but having Hayden as Anakin in the final scene makes more cinematic sense than using Sebastian Shaw. It should be the actor the audience will identify with the character, and for anyone under 25, that's Hayden.
 
What I don't understand is what does the death of Han have to do with the toy sales if there was never going to be another movie. Wouldn't people buy more toys of Han because he die.
 
mac said:
If you grasp the meaning of this.





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Star Wars can fuck off, but if you can't figure out that a guy who was like 2 years old when that movie was made has been retroactively pasted into it you're probably a moron.
 
MattKeil said:
Absolutely. People bitch about a lot of the other Special Edition stuff, but the "Jedi Rocks" song is the #1 worst addition for me. I actually like the new RotJ ending song and celebration shots. And, sorry purists, but having Hayden as Anakin in the final scene makes more cinematic sense than using Sebastian Shaw. It should be the actor the audience will identify with the character, and for anyone under 25, that's Hayden.
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I dont mind the new ending of ROTJ (aside from the godawful reminder that Gungans exist that they added to the DVD), but sorry, adding Hayden is not only a shitty fucking decision, but it betrays the story of the very movie it takes place in.

edit: and lol at your "under 25 remark" as if none of those people saw the original star wars movies on VHS as kids many, many years before the Prequels.
 
MattKeil said:
Absolutely. People bitch about a lot of the other Special Edition stuff, but the "Jedi Rocks" song is the #1 worst addition for me. I actually like the new RotJ ending song and celebration shots. And, sorry purists, but having Hayden as Anakin in the final scene makes more cinematic sense than using Sebastian Shaw. It should be the actor the audience will identify with the character, and for anyone under 25, that's Hayden.
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But the film was made in 1983. It was made for 1983 audiences.

No one under 25 was in the audience in 1985.
 
Oozer3993 said:
In a Penny Arcade podcast a couple years ago, they pointed out that, according to some sectors of the Expanded Universe, Luke killed almost a million people when he blew up the first Death Star. A million people! Dude's a serial killer.
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Clerks says hiiiii

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6lzEhoXads



Also, Leia would be Queen of what? The Empire? The New Republic? The Rebel Alliance?

They never really explain why Leia is a Princess in ANH or ESB
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I love that conversation from Clerks, but Jeff Anderson was NOT a good actor at all when the first Clerks got made.
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I think Brian O'Halloran (Dante) was the only actual actor in that whole movie.
 
I think I'm the only person in the world who greatly prefers the Special Edition ROTJ credits to Yub Nub, which was corny as hell. :lol
 
The music and planetary celebration shots in the special edition aren't bad at all, but the DVD version putting Hayden Christensen in as Anakin's ghost instantly makes it the inferior version. Dumbest special edition change by a thousand lightyears.
 
I bet George Lucas plays with his toys like Dark Helmet in Spaceballs. A huuuuuuuge collection he spends his days alone in a room playing with.
 
a Master Ninja said:
No, I'd say that was the only good change. That "Yub Nub" song was trash.
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No it wasn't. It was very cute and nice. But it just wasn't up to the quality of John Williams (the song was made by his son).
 
subversus said:
by the way

are there any decent Star Wars comic books/other media? By decent I mean something that has an edge as people above said.
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Shadows of the Empire novel/comic books (haven't read the latter but heard good things). This is what they should have turned into a movie instead of I-III.

Also, as far as novels go, Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy though I have to say having reread it a few years ago, I'm not sure if it holds up that well.
 
Cindres said:
Balls to that. The happy ending gives me a warm cheery feeling.
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Yeah i like the version we got better. Only thing i would have liked changed in ROTJ - was having wookies instead of ewoks.
 
Throw me in the anti "yub-nub" camp. This coming from someone who saw the original in theaters. I always thought it was kind of embarrassing. I also really like the shots of a galaxy-wide celebration at the defeat of the empire. Made the victory feel more universal.

But the original Sy Snootles palace number>>>>>>the special edition number. I kind of hope that for the eventual Blu-rays that they insert the original music number with updated CGI for Sy.

You just know that George'll probably tweak the movies a bit more for the Blu-rays. Maybe add the CGI model Yoda into episode 1 to replace the completely different looking Yoda from Phantom Menace.
 
Throw me in the anti "yub-nub" camp. This coming from someone who saw the original in theaters. I always thought it was kind of embarrassing. I also really like the shots of a galaxy-wide celebration at the defeat of the empire. Made the victory feel more universal.
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This is the main reason why I don't like the celebration scenes. The alliance took one (large) battle. It was not a total victory and defeat of the Empire. Lucas apparently forgot that in ANH he put the regional Moffs in direct control of their territory, so at best the Alliance is now up against hundreds of smaller, ruthless dictators.

I was amused at how the expanded universe handled it though, detailing how the Coruscant celebration scene was the site of a massacre several minutes later.
 
Kettch said:
This is the main reason why I don't like the celebration scenes. The alliance took one (large) battle. It was not a total victory and defeat of the Empire. Lucas apparently forgot that in ANH he put the regional Moffs in direct control of their territory, so at best the Alliance is now up against hundreds of smaller, ruthless dictators.

I was amused at how the expanded universe handled it though, detailing how the Coruscant celebration scene was the site of a massacre several minutes later.
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They killed Vader and the Emperor, without the power of the dark side the Empire was now greatly weakened and people in the chain of command weren't kept in line through fear.........
 
Original ROTJ is awesome, Ewoks and all. Special edition Jedi sucks, its the worst of the SE re-releases. Jabba's seedy palace used to be awesome and then they turned it into the fucking muppet show.

One of my best friends is a HUGE star wars nerds and he's accrued a lot of the backstories and histories on the film. Lucas had no intention of ever killing any of the 3 main heroes, this was his fairy tale and it was going to have a fairy tale ending. He did originally plan for Lando to die in the Falcon as they were escaping the second death star.
 
Bootaaay said:
Fuck yes, i'd take that ending over the goddamn Ewok party any day.
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The original sounds so fucking awesome. The ending we got was... well, the ending we got. But if they had gone with the proposed ending, how much more of a classic could Star Wars have been?
 
truly101 said:
One of my best friends is a HUGE star wars nerds and he's accrued a lot of the backstories and histories on the film. Lucas had no intention of ever killing any of the 3 main heroes, this was his fairy tale and it was going to have a fairy tale ending. He did originally plan for Lando to die in the Falcon as they were escaping the second death star.
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Is it wrong that I would have more upset at the loss of the Falcon than the loss of either Lando or Solo? :lol
 
Harrison Ford did indeed lobby hard to have Han die in Jedi, and it would have been a much better choice.

The character was completely compromised by that point, and dieing to save the gang would have been his final act of redemption. Unlike Luke and Leia, there is no place for Han in a post ROTJ universe. His arc was finished.

In a true epic, characters you love die.
 
Tobor said:
Harrison Ford did indeed lobby hard to have Han die in Jedi, and it would have been a much better choice.

The character was completely compromised by that point, and dieing to save the gang would have been his final act of redemption. Unlike Luke and Leia, there is no place for Han in a post ROTJ universe. His arc was finished.

In a true epic, characters you love die.
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he did become an Ewok hugging softy 2/3rds of the way of ROTJ

the softyness of Star-Wars happens when Wicket find Leia and when Han, Luke, Chewie get captured
 
Don't worry guys, the prequel trilogy remake by Brad Bird, Chris Nolan and Alex Proyas will bring back Star Wars starting in 2014.
 
Star Wars merchandising back then was great, it was how Lucas even got to pay for his movies, so I really don't have a problem with that.

If anyone wants to change it they should've paid Lucas more money than all the merchandise earned for him. Anyone want to volunteer? :lol :lol :lol
 
DMczaf said:
Don't worry guys, the prequel trilogy remake by Brad Bird, Chris Nolan and Alex Proyas will bring back Star Wars starting in 2014.
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I assume this is after disney commandos assassinate George Lucas?
 
levious said:
it was more serious than Return of the Jedi maybe, but they were always kids' movies. Don't know why people try to trick themselves into thinking otherwise. I love the original trilogy.
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here is someone who hasn't watched the red letter media stuff
 
Bootaaay said:
Even if it's the version with original Anikin replaced by Hayden fucking Christensen at the end?
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I keep reading this with "fucking" being used as a verb, and I like it better that way.
 
I prefer the SE version of the Jedi ending, it rounded off the trilogy as a whole a lot better than the ewok dance.

...not that it matters anymore. After reading what was possibly going to go down in the OP article that didn't eventuate, I don't think I can watch it anymore. :(
 
Spire said:
Plus Boba Fett has the most retarded death one could possibly imagine until you see teddy bears destroying an imperial army with sticks and rocks.
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And BTW, according to official star wars extended universe, fett didnt die in the sarlaac.
 
I looooooooooooooove reading about alternate scenes/endings for the OT

And as for people who always come in these threads to bitch about them being 'just movies' and blah blah, I'll say that never since I saw ESB in theaters as a kid have I ever been on the edge of my seat and so engrossed with watching a movie (well there was maybe one within the last year but I can't for the life of me remember what it is). I'm talking about my dad actually having to shake me a bit and tell me to stop biting my nails during the Hoth scenes, or asking if I was alright cause of the horrified look I had when Luke is in the dark side cave etc etc. Sure I was a kid, but it's a movie I could pop into the PC right now and enjoy just as much as I did back then. <3 SW
 
Tobor said:
Harrison Ford did indeed lobby hard to have Han die in Jedi, and it would have been a much better choice.

The character was completely compromised by that point, and dieing to save the gang would have been his final act of redemption. Unlike Luke and Leia, there is no place for Han in a post ROTJ universe. His arc was finished.

In a true epic, characters you love die.
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All true things.
 
LCfiner said:
Thy wanted to kill Han Solo?

fuck those assholes.


edit: Lucas is still a hack, of course
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The only reason the best character in the whole Star Wars universe (Han Solo) was even considered a death was because of Harrison Ford. He didn't want to be a part of that shit anymore and I don't blame him.

Lucas' writing skills are career destroying.
 
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