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Wow, my mind am asplode from that! Amazing logic, that is. Almost made me forget that quality visuals aren't actually based on the quality of the visuals.
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Why why why isn't there a Super Mario RPG 2??
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BooJoh said:
SMW looks better than SMRPG.
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A Link to the Past said:
****, Super Mario Bros. looks better than SMRPG.
You know, that's EXACLY what I think about Paper Mario. It looks like a nerdy kid found a book about DirectX ("omg i can twist and turn those polygon bitches"), threw a texture onto a polygon, and showed his friends who were thusly amazed at his amazing programming skills. That even allowed him to get away with the fact that the art looks like it was drawn by a retard.Dragona Akehi said:
WHAT COLORS?! Look at the screen. Who gives a gahdamn shit if it's dithered. It's not nearly as bad as you want to make it out to be.
A hint to amir0x: I wasn't posting those screenshots for graphic value. But since you saw it that shallowly, you thought I was anyway and decided to respond with a Paper Mario picture.
The fact of the matter is thus: the sprites in Paper Mario are very bland. They don't have richness of "TEXTURE" or any of that. What I am saying is that they have usually only one color to them instead of a texture (say, jeany texture to Mario's overalls).
I mean anyone can come up with that style, seriously. The fact is, is that the style is presented to you in a high-resolution state, making you ogle over it.
But all of this fighting over Paper Mario vs. Super Mario RPG is offtopic and isn't what was I getting as in the OP: Why isn't there another Super Mario RPG?
Doesn't anyone here think that it's possible for SE and Nintendo to make another?
(and another mod comes to join amir0x's aid; seriously, what is up with all the Paper Mario favoritism?)
The soundtrack in SMRPG was done by Koji Kondo, Nobuo Uematsu, and another composer (one of the ones in CT, I think).
What the hell are you smoking? Paper Mario looks like it belongs? Have you not seen how utterly retarded Bowser stomps around with his hands out in front of him like he's saying "GIMME A HUG"?? Frequently in Paper Mario I'd wonder what the eff Bowser was doing standing there before he spoke staring off into space in certain scenes, with his hands stretched out. He always looked like a T-Rex instead of "King of the Koopas".
Let alone other atrocities to character design (DOTS for EYES)
The fact of the matter is thus: the sprites in Paper Mario are very bland. They don't have richness of "TEXTURE" or any of that. What I am saying is that they have usually only one color to them instead of a texture (say, jeany texture to Mario's overalls).
I mean anyone can come up with that style, seriously. The fact is, is that the style is presented to you in a high-resolution state, making you ogle over it.
But all of this fighting over Paper Mario vs. Super Mario RPG is offtopic and isn't what was I getting as in the OP: Why isn't there another Super Mario RPG?
Doesn't anyone here think that it's possible for SE and Nintendo to make another?
(and another mod comes to join amir0x's aid; seriously, what is up with all the Paper Mario favoritism?)
The soundtrack in SMRPG was done by Koji Kondo, Nobuo Uematsu, and another composer (one of the ones in CT, I think).
Dragona Akehi said:
What the hell are you smoking? Paper Mario looks like it belongs? Have you not seen how utterly retarded Bowser stomps around with his hands out in front of him like he's saying "GIMME A HUG"?? Frequently in Paper Mario I'd wonder what the eff Bowser was doing standing there before he spoke staring off into space in certain scenes, with his hands stretched out. He always looked like a T-Rex instead of "King of the Koopas".
Let alone other atrocities to character design (DOTS for EYES)
Apples and oranges. If prerendered CG doesn't strike you as attractive, that's your opinion and you have the right to think so. Heck, I don't even care much for prerendered backgrounds. But Mario RPG pulled it off quite well in my opinion. It doesn't have amazing graphics by today's standards, but I think they suit the game quite well.A Link to the Past said:
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Maxrpg said:
It's on-topic - the reason there's no SMRPG2 is because Nintendo realizes that IS and AD do a better Mario RPG than SE.
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Maxrpg said:
Because Paper Mario is superior in every possible manner? Because SMRPG even at its initial release was a big stinking pile of poop compared to everything else released at the time? Because Lufia II beats it with both hands behind its back and one leg cut off?
SMRPG is terrible, generic and looked horrible. God forbid I start talking about the gameplay. Its highlight is the song Battle with Smithy.
Jesus christ, this is like bizarro world of bad taste. i've never seen such viewpoints in my life. once again reaffirming that there's always someone who shares any given opinion.
i'm again, just curious, but what makes it feel more like an 'RPG'? Again, i'm wishing to try to understand the alternative viewpoints here, but... are 'how much of an RPG you are' defined by party size and whether/not you can participate in the battle with timed moves? Is 'more like an RPG' some set standard SquareEnix has made up, or what?
BooJoh said:
i'm again, just curious, but what makes it feel more like an 'RPG'? Again, i'm wishing to try to understand the alternative viewpoints here, but... are 'how much of an RPG you are' defined by party size and whether/not you can participate in the battle with timed moves? Is 'more like an RPG' some set standard SquareEnix has made up, or what?
If you honestly want to understand, I don't see how it can be so hard to. What it comes down to is timing-based reaction gameplay (Paper Mario) where even your standard attacks and everything else requires some sort of minigame to execute properly, versus what I call more "traditional" RPG gameplay, where you have the occasional timing based event, but the outcome of your battles is far more affected by the strategies you choose to use in battle.Amir0x said:
Thinking vs Reacting.
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Maxrpg said:
Only had? Badges replaced equipment and added a Helluva lot more depth. Equipment did little other than increase attack or defense.
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loosus said:
Wow, we've hit konex level.
BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES! THERE BE SOME BAD TASTE ON YONDER FRONT!
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loosus said:Bonus points: do you like a disproportionate amount of Working Designs-released games?
That question had better be sarcastic.
A Link to the Past said:
You mean Paper Mario took what SMRPG had as "accessories" and did away with everything else. It simplified the game for people who had never played an RPG. In this way it made it feel like you were playing a kid's version of an RPG. The smaller HP, the kiddy graphics, the easy customization... come on dude, don't tell me it wasn't made simple.
amir0x: There are certain factors that make a game more of an RPG than Paper Mario, and Equipment is 1, Character Depth of extra characters being second. IIRC, Super Mario RPG had WAAAY more character depth of its other characters than Paper Mario ever had. You knew a quick backstory, then they joined you on your journey, for no real reason except to help you.
Geno joined your party because he wanted to save Star Road, Mallow to find his parents, Bowser to save his Castle, Peach to save the Kingdom.
They all had -motives- to join the party. Something which Paper Mario lacks.
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Ancestor said:
You know what would be the best thing ever? Paper Mario DS. Paper Mario love ON THE GO.
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Maxrpg said:
That's idiot logic, Max. You might as well have said because they're essentially accessories, they can only replace accessories. I can't believe you're actually claiming that equipment is more complicated than badges. Yeah, I always have that problem with whether or not I want to increase damage by equipping a better weapon or continue using the inferior weapon I am using.
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Amir0x said:
Think about it. Fixed camera angle so no 3D looking like ass (or at the very least, very much minimized). The sprite-polys would be crisp clear and zoom in nicely, thanks to the hardware in the DS (2D stuff), and YOU COULD TAKE IT ANYWHERE.
Zomg. I think I just had an epiphany. We need Fire Emblem DS too. ALL 2D ALL THE TIME.
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Dragona Akehi said:
I HAD THAT IDEA FIRST!
Remember that
At a certain point in the game, the weapons even out; it's at this point one would have to choose which weapon would be the easiest to do the second attack with.
It's more complicated because you have to worry about upgrading multiple pieces of armor, so you get more excited when you get a certain piece you're looking for, etc.
In Paper Mario, all you have to do is get a badge. And you can only wear so many based on your BP.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm saying Paper Mario simplified what SMRPG had.
It's more complicated because you have to worry about upgrading multiple pieces of armor, so you get more excited when you get a certain piece you're looking for, etc.
In Paper Mario, all you have to do is get a badge. And you can only wear so many based on your BP.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, I'm saying Paper Mario simplified what SMRPG had.
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Maxrpg said:
Saying Paper Mario is simplified is like saying black is in fact white.
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JavyOO7 said:
Needs to be 2D over anything else. Mmm. I can't wait for the animations.
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Maxrpg said:
No, it didn't.
Increase defense
Increase offense
Increase HP (IIRC)
Become resistant to poison
Become resistant to scarecrow (a rare status effect)
Jump on spikes
Increase speed
Vs.
Increase HP
Increase FP
Quick Change
Jump on spikes
Jump on fire
Jump on ice
Jump on poison
And the dozens of moves that badges can give you.
The only thing they do is standard RPG increases. Paper Mario gives you FAR more customization, and often, the most useful badges are the ones with the most BP required.
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ALTTP: Don't forget you only have a limited amount of BP at any given time (even if you only level up BP)! That makes the decisions much more difficult. Equipment? PAH.
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JavyOO7 said:
But isn't multiplayer in FE lame?
Make AWDS2 with 8P online (and not teams, I wanna see eight players with eight bases).
Dragona Akehi said:
Are you honestly saying that badges are complicated? You pick the ones you need for the situation. It's not that complicated. In fact a lot of the badges are gag badges (sound badges). If you're fighting enemies who are susceptible to Hammer attacks, equip Hammer badges etc.
In fact, as long as you get the timing right, the game is simple to the end.
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Maxrpg said:
Well, let's see:
SMRPG's equipment system involves no factors other than "should I increase defense or be stupid and not?".
Paper Mario's involves the limited BP as a factor.
Any number of factors > the zero factors involved.
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Amir0x said:poor reso, N64 era hardware, no thanks. I like Paper Mario 64 and respect it (and it's one of the best looking N64 games, no doubt), but Paper Mario Wii or Paper Mario for DS2 with competent 3D hardware ftw
But DS needs more RPGs, and Paper Mario could make good use of the touch screen, dual screen and microphone (and not just use them, make good use of them).
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Amir0x said:poor reso, N64 era hardware, no thanks. I like Paper Mario 64 and respect it (and it's one of the best looking N64 games, no doubt), but Paper Mario Wii or Paper Mario for DS2 with competent 3D hardware ftw
It'd be the best looking DS game, much like the original Paper Mario. In fact, thanks to the DS hardware specializing what it does, it would look much closer to the GameCube version than you'd like to think.
Since Wii nor a mythical "DS2" are out yet, I want DS.
Psst...
WE CANNOT SHOW WEAKNESS IN FRONT OF THE INFIDELS!!!!11oneone
Dragona Akehi said:It'd be the best looking DS game, much like the original Paper Mario. In fact, thanks to the DS hardware specializing what it does, it would look much closer to the GameCube version than you'd like to think.
Since Wii nor a mythical "DS2" are out yet, I want DS.
Psst...WE CANNOT SHOW WEAKNESS IN FRONT OF THE INFIDELS!!!!11oneone
you are right, i would gladly accept Paper Mario on DS *sniff*
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Amir0x said:no pleaase you're killing me. i don't want to get into a side debate, but less touch screen gimickry and more Paper Mario awesome for great competent 3D merged with incredible 2D sprites PLZ
Wii would probably have more Wiimote gimmickry than touch screen gimmickry
A Link to the Past said:
Right. You had to choose certain accessories to fight the right enemies or you were screwed in SMRPG. The limit of only ONE accessory was a factor in SMRPG, so your limit factor in Paper Mario is moot.
Anyway, debating over an old RPG vs. an RPG of a entirely different series is getting old, imo. The fact that I'm still the only one posting in defense of this great game is testament to the fact that people are easily swayed by "TEH PAPER GFX".
It doesn't matter - the point of the discussion was to determine if another SMRPG could happen, and yes it could - if Nintendo decided to collaborate again on an RPG (which doesn't seem out of the ballpark); they could definitely make another RPG.
Plus, with the coming of Super Paper Mario, don't you think they're going to make a new RPG series with the Wii/DS? I mean, why not make another Paper Mario RPG as the last hurrah for the GCN?
Paper Mario was made for N64 because of the technology. I fully expect an entirely new Mario RPG to come out on the Wii based on THAT technology. It's only a fair assumption.
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Maxrpg said:
Fixed.
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Amir0x said:
And I just think the whole game's concept lends itself very well to the DS hardware. It's paper based, and the pen goes with paper perfectly in the real world, why not make it work the same way in a Paper Mario game?
Maxrpg said:
it seems you've made a really terrible case for people loving Paper Mario solely for the graphics. In fact, putting aside your argument for Super Mario RPG, I think we can unanimously say you have failed to prove your point about people liking Paper Mario for PAPER GFX.