Wafflecakes
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Freedom and choice is overrated when you can have orgasms instead!
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Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism (NY Times)
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Freedom and choice is overrated when you can have orgasms instead!
What the hell is up with all the posters in here insinuating that people in East fucking Germany had better living standards than in a modern western society and that East Germany wasn't a horrible dictatorship that completely crippled its people?
Fuck outta here with that delusional history revisionism
Fuck outta here with that delusional history revisionism
fabricated backlash
Member
Or being able to receive benefits without having to have direct connections to party officials, or bribe someone.
These studies were mostly conducted on the socialist elites. People whose life experiences are in no way representative of the population at large. After the absolute failure of the DDR, many of those people tried and still try to manufacture a narrative of this glorious fairytale state, and it is abhorrent to see so many people fall for it.
Neverforget
Member
1450 is your wife salary but you as an unemployed with two kids surely your family also have government help (CAF, allocation logements, chômage... Etc), you also don't pay taxes with your situation too right?
If you are not aware of these government bodies, you should definitely check them out, you may get 1000 or so per month.
This, it's barely been 20 years an people already forgot it seems.
tkscz
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cromofo
Member
There are quite a few self-declared communists on this board. It would be funny if it weren't sad.
evil solrac v3.0
Member
I call complete and utter bullshit on this. Ain't nobody fucking if you have to worry about were your next meal is coming from or even if you had any toilet paper. If East Germany was so great then why were all those people so eager to escape?
Yeah. I wasn't complaining about lack of money at all, we have what we need to live. It's not really the point. It's the difference between surviving and living. We made choices in order to surviving but with benefits (taking care of our children ourselves), i am pretty sure a lot of couples who work both haven't a more enjoyable life at all.
For transparency, we have 120/month of prime d'activité, 180 of APL, 180 of PAJE and another 155 of allocations familiales,we don't pay any impôt sur le revenu. So 635/month of subsidies counting for everything we have rights. That's a lot but that's not even remotely covering the cost of life here in France.
If anything, it covers what our children cost. And that's very great.
My point is: there's a lot to gain by having lower expectancies in life. We don't have much. And my wife has a pretty shit job. But we are not sad. A lot of people around us are in worse situations.
Problem is, we are an anomaly in this world. People kills their lives by going after money in hope of a better tomorrow. But that's not happening.
And orgams suffer, indeed.
travisbickle
Member
Don't worry people, nobody's going to take away your capitalism.
It's just an interesting study that shows the role of women in a society affects their sex lives. If it makes you feel any better, if you were born in the 80/90s, the study suggests your mum wasn't as horny as the female comrades from the glorious red states.
It's just an interesting study that shows the role of women in a society affects their sex lives. If it makes you feel any better, if you were born in the 80/90s, the study suggests your mum wasn't as horny as the female comrades from the glorious red states.
The latter.
SuperBanana
Banned
Maybe you should talk to someone who lived under communist rule and you'll have a very clear idea.
Theodoricos
Member
I'd happily take freedom of speech and other basic human freedoms over better sex, thank you very much. Not having to stay in queues for hours for the bare necessities is also a big plus.
Same for you.
Smh
Don't be a revisionist. Western Germany had a much more male dominated society.
Glorifying communism is just as bad as glorifying communism.
Ps communism != socialism. It's entirely possible to have a socialist capitalist state. Many EU countries today are close.
Beyond the clickbaitey headline there is some cool info in the article
SuperBanana
Banned
I have. I traveled across almost every ex-soviet state last year. The stories they tell are bleak and horrific.
Maybe you should ? Tons of people around here always complain how they have to work like slaves and have it worse because at least back then "they were sure they'd always have the necessities". How much of that is just nostalgia and how much is just whining for the sake of it i don't know, but the sentiment is definitely widespread.
EDIT: for clarification, this is about ukrainians and russian women that come work here as caretakers and as a social worker i deal with them pretty regularly. There's a LOT of the "good old times", and how much of that is propaganda is not easy to say. Everyone however hate how they have it now, regardless of wheter they had it worse or better before.
SuperBanana
Banned
They really didn't though. From many different countries and many different people they all same similar things. That if you lived under the soviet union you had fuck all. I had one guy tell me how one family had a TV and all the kids wanted to see it and after the collapse things like chewing gum blew him mind. How 90% of the country had no idea how to drive and stories of American supermarkets full of fresh produce was thought to be propaganda.
johancruijff
Banned
how's the DDR ranking in sex satisfaction compared to other authoritarian regime?
VendettaRed07
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ThoseDeafMutes
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Ostalgie
As someone that has lived under communism I can see what the article is saying. Its not glorifying communism by any mean, that was horrible and it should never be seen as something positive, what the article implies is that women had less stress and fewer male options (fuckbuddies and polygamy weren't much of a choice back than) under that regime and they could dedicate more time to their partner. It is known that the orgasm is more psychological in women so I think that there is nothing wrong with the article and its conclusions...
HarryHengst
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There is absolutely nothing socialist about any Eu country. Socialism means workers owning the means of productoin, which is happening no where. Social-democry =/= socialism, and capitalism is hard at work destroying social-democracy everywhere.
TTOOLL
Member
Relax man, it's just those people who think Socialism/Communism works and all the examples that have failed, like East Germany, were not the real thing. You just can't take these people seriously. They will defend human rights wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. Fucking lol
thesoapster
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Because they enjoy being spied on by the Stasi... perverts.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Yes there are a few of us, but none of us are Stalinists, Maoists, or in any way hold a positive view of the Soviet Union.
If you actually knew what modern American communism was and didn't rely on 100 years of government propaganda you wouldn't thinking funny or sad.
When did I bring up West Germany in my post or said that it was or wasn't more male dominated?
Also, even if it was more male dominated than East (which it wasn't besides them being more open to have women on the work force because they wanted everyone in labour), East Germany literally abused, suppressed and manipulated its people, spied on them and fostered a culture of surveillance where people should report everyone on the government's behalf. What is even the point of your post?
Huh, not sure how I didn't knew about this term before
cromofo
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JordanN
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My issue with capitalism has always been how it turns humans into machines. We work, work,work for very low wages and consume what billionaire CEO's tell us to.
It's no surprise sex has fallen. The free market wants you to eat fast food and watch the latest advertisement. Not make you or your partner happy with romance.
You're not told to value yourself, your only purpose in Capitalism is to make the top 1% happy.
It's no surprise sex has fallen. The free market wants you to eat fast food and watch the latest advertisement. Not make you or your partner happy with romance.
You're not told to value yourself, your only purpose in Capitalism is to make the top 1% happy.
Chewing Gum and TV aren't necessities.
Life expectancy in most of the post-USSR economies has plummeted and populations have dwindled significantly. Just some stats:
About the Baltic states:
The only countries who have it significantly better now are the central asian ones, and those are not democracies, but dictatorships:
Russia itself has grown economically, but life expectancy, crime rates, HIV rates, and happiness has been plummeting as well:
You don't get a population dwindling so fast and life expectancy going down if life was hell before and much better after. Or maybe the old adage that we crave fascism is true, after all.
TTOOLL
Member
American Communism, now I've seen everything. It's sad, and quiet pathetic to be honest, to see people in America defending Communism. Why not moving to Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea etc?
cromofo
Member
This time it'll work bro.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
We believe that a greater egalitarian society can be achieved (mostly) within the bounds of the system of a free democratic society. None of us believe that a proletariat uprising in America is even possible.
The revolution will occur quietly and most people won't even know it's happening. Nazi fucks and other regressives like the GOP get in the way, but once the GOP loses standing thanks to being tied to the Human Hindenburg, it'll make things much easier.
Renewable energy/environmentalism
Universal Basic Income
Universal healthcare
State-regulated monopolies
Automation and AI
Justice system reform
Social egalitarianism
Education reform
All tools of the pragmatic state socialist and communist to achieve through democracy that which could never be truly obtained through violent revolution.
It's a slow process of many steps, and we realize that it won't be achieved for many decades (so long as nothing sets back technological progress), but one day America can have a true post-scarcity and post-labor communist society.
Another explanation being that in a state where any other form of entertainment is either heavily censored (so practically unusable) or semi-illegal, sex is the best entertainment left. Also, the often lack of electricity and usage of candle lights instead might prove very romantic.
Sure, having your job guaranteed no matter how poor you are at your job makes everybody relaxed too.
Sure, having your job guaranteed no matter how poor you are at your job makes everybody relaxed too.
cromofo
Member
Aren't most of those things you listed things liberals generally subscribe to?
I've seen quite a few sickle and hammer avatar emerging here lately so I won't take that shit.
Communism is illegal in countries that it ruined. There's a good reason for that.
JordanN
Banned
Communism is the future when automation goes into full force.
That said, I really hate socialist states. Soviet union, North Korea, Venezuela etc show why humans can't be trusted to enact it. Robots would manage life better.
SuperBanana
Banned
The far-left and far-right in America are both bat shit insane. Both keen on an authoritarian governments that suit their agenda.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Yes, but most liberals (and people in general) don't think big enough. What's going to happen in a society where labor has no value and everything from a taxi to food service to an accountant is automated? No one wants to talk about that.
HarryHengst
Member
Please dont confuse the inaccurate horseshoe theory with the completely accurate fish hook theory.
In my experiencd many liberals would say they support these things but are unwilling to actually take action of them or unwilling to pay a higher tax rate that may be neccesary.
Edit: and they typically think society and the economy are good now but just require tweaking. Socialists (such as myself) see the need for large scale reworking of such things to tackle inequality and sustainability.
DarthMasta
Member
Yeah. What else was there to do for fun? Sure modern capitalist societies have loads of reasons for a stressful life, not worse than life in Soviet times, but stressful in different ways, but loads more ways to entertain oneself.
TTOOLL
Member
I've said it already here, the far-left is tolerated and seen with good eyes on Gaf. As another user pointed out, sickle and hammer are accepted here, the swastika is not, and it shouldn't, of course, but there is no difference between them. They represent murder, dictatorship, surpressing of human rights, starvation and so on.