Neo C. said:What should they do? They are already losing money, lots of money...
Both companies should cut and run and give the crown back - one waggle future!
Neo C. said:What should they do? They are already losing money, lots of money...
jmdajr said:the wii served a good purpose.
to get my girlfriend into gaming! we play that together.
but when she's not around, I just play 360.
Well, there are reliable figures for Germany, straight from my blog:schuelma said:Unless Nintendo just doesn't have any units for the Holidays, I can't think of one conceivable way the Wii loses its lead. Remember, the Wii is outselling the 360 in Japan and Europe by like 500K a month. NPD only tells a third of the story.
Another triumph for the PlayStation® brand.Falafelkid said:He insisted on adding the PS2 numbers, saying that in overall hardware sales Sony was the clear market leader and sold the most consoles right now.
Gozan said:In other words:
Wii is to 360, as sex is to masturbation!
Thunder Monkey said:Oh, I realize that.
Heh. I said they had to do something before realizing there's pretty much nothing they can do but ride it out.
Hehe, well at the very least I'm a Wii owner. It might be slow, but I'm sure I'll have plenty of great games to enjoy through out this gen, as will I when I own a 360.
Falafelkid said:Well, there are reliable figures for Germany, straight from my blog:
The German financial newspaper uro am Sonntag cites industry insiders who in turn cite the following lifetime sales figures for Germany from the ´Gesellschaft für Konsumforschung (GfK)´:
Monthly sales in July paint a clear picture of the current trend:
Wii: 26.000
PS3: 8.000
GfK´s weekly figures (13th - 19th of August):
Wii: 8.000
PS3: 5.500
He insisted on adding the PS2 numbers, saying that in overall hardware sales Sony was the clear market leader and sold the most consoles right now.
That is curious. Both Wii and especially PS3 look to have big gains this month.apujanata said:How come there is so much difference between July and August ? Is it because of PS3 lowered price ?
I would guess so. I am not surprised that the PS3 looks best in those weekly figures. I got those numbers from Sony, after all.apujanata said:How come there is so much difference between July and August ? Is it because of PS3 lowered price ?
Looks like it. You would expect to see an increase in sales after a price drop.apujanata said:How come there is so much difference between July and August ? Is it because of PS3 lowered price ?
Falafelkid said:I would guess so. I am not surprised that the PS3 looks best in those weekly figures. I got those numbers from Sony, after all.
EDIT Oops, sorry: Germany hasn´t even had a reduction yet (or hardware upgrade, as i prefer to call it). Must be a statistical blip... or the fact that Ninja Gaiden Sigma came out some weeks ago. Who knows.
Falafelkid said:I would guess so. I am not surprised that the PS3 looks best in those weekly figures. I got those numbers from Sony, after all.
EDIT Oops, sorry: Germany hasn´t even had a reduction yet (or hardware upgrade, as i prefer to call it). Must be a statistical blip... or the fact that Ninja Gaiden Sigma came out some weeks ago. Who knows.
Yup, you are both quite right. We have had the starter pack. But disregarding the bundled games and extra controller the 60GB model is still 599 Euro. And there is no 20GB model.C.T. said:But a new bundle which boosted ps3 sales.
Edit: thats why a price drop in the near future is unlikely...
So why not add DS numbers if he were to include PS2?[...]He insisted on adding the PS2 numbers, saying that in overall hardware sales Sony was the clear market leader and sold the most consoles right now.
If these numbers are anything to go buy for July (which sold 24k Wii's from the numbers posted above), then Nintendo sold ~ 106.000 systems in Germany alone in the month of July.Nintendo DS has sold more than 2,2 Millions units. This year 750.000 Nintendo DS. Every week 20.000 units, but last week they sold 42.000 units.
Neomoto said:So why not add DS numbers if he were to include PS2?
From this thread I see these German numbers:
If these numbers are anything to go buy for July (which sold 24k Wii's from the numbers posted above), then Nintendo sold ~ 106.000 systems in Germany alone in the month of July.
With seemlingy higher PS3 august numbers than usual (the starter pack), PS2 and PS3 combined for a 4 week month would have sales of about 52.000 in august if those sales hold true for the entire month. If Wii and DS numbers arn't less than in july (in fact, Wii weekly numbers seem to be higher) I don't see how Sony with their PlayStation brand is the clear market leader? Unless the PSP sells more than PS2 and PS3 combined but I somehow doubt that.. Ah, I looked back at Falafelkid's post and it says "saying that in overall hardware sales Sony was the clear market leader and sold the most consoles right now." So his claim is right after all. Combining the mighty PS2 with PS3 against Wii alone in order to come out on top (gotta win somehow right hehe) As a hardware publisher though, Nintendo sure is sitting from a very comfortable position right now. Besides stunning DS sales, Wii is also doing great in Germany it seems. Already surpassing X360 and flying past it like it's nothing.
Link said:I remember people saying this about 12 years ago.
Interesting (especially the last bit). And how did Uwe Bassendowski responded?Falafelkid said:Very well reasoned. In fact, I told Uwe Bassendowski the same: If hardware sales should include older hardware, then why not include mobile platforms as well? If you put home consoles and portables together, I believe, then Nintendo has always been market leader.
On a day-by-day basis, or LTD?Skiptastic said:So Wii hardware has taken over the lead. How long (if ever) until Wii software overtake 360 software?
I would like to see both and after Wii's launch to date if you can guestimateJoshuaJSlone said:On a day-by-day basis, or LTD?
JoshuaJSlone said:On a day-by-day basis, or LTD?
I was looking at July's NPD and concedering the tie ratios for the Wii and 360. I noticed that the Wii's growth rate was about 4.5 times that of the 360. So for the Wii to maintain it's ~3.5 tie ratio with 425k new console sold last month it would have to have sold about 1,450,000 games... while in order for the 360 to maintain its 6.1 ratio, it would only have to sell about 1,050,000 games.JoshuaJSlone said:I like to play with tie ratios when available, but since they so rarely are I usually stick to hardware. So, no estimates on when things will happen from me.
However, I think it's worth reminding once in a while why direct tie ratio comparisons between the systems leave something to be desired.
Wii's userbase has grown much more quickly, and shape effects things. Here we have three systems, each having reached the same userbase, but having done so by launching at different times and selling at different rates. Even if each of the systems had a completely like userbase, and they were each buying 1 software per month, at the point where they'd reached 12 hardware LTD apiece things would look like
System A
LTD: 78
Tie ratio: 6.5
System B
LTD: 42
Tie ratio: 3.5
System C
LTD: 30
Tie ratio: 2.5
A simple software sold or tie ratio comparison wouldn't take into account the varying launch times or rates, but they do matter. The area under their lines can be seen as a measurement of how many total system-months each different hardware has gained. System A, having been out much longer than System B or System C, has a clear current advantage since each of its systems has on average been in consumer homes much longer than the others.
In this way I believe a direct comparison of X360 at 21 months versus Wii at 9 months tends to puff up the appearance of the average X360 owner's game purchases.
Sometimes, however, I have seen direct comparisons of X360's first few months with Wii's first few months, but again there's a factor that puffs up X360's appearance: Wii has many more owners. I've seen it said that X360's tie ratio after several months was higher than pretty much any other system, including Wii. This is true. However, it's difficult to say how much this means that early X360 owners comprised of more heavy buyers.
After 4 months in the US, X360 was at 1.0 million, while Wii was at 1.85 million. For all we know, there were a million Wii owners who bought just as many games as those first million X360 owners, but the additional .85 million brought the average down. I can't say this is the case, but the data is so limited that we can't make a conclusion either way. Perhaps at this time next year, Wii will have 10 million purchasers who buy as many average games as X360's current 10 million, but the additional 15 million lighter owners will bring the average down.
To sum up, I think X360's software-selling advantage is overblown. If the average X360 owner is still now purchasing more games than the average Wii owner, it's not by such a large amount that a few more months of Wii>X360 sales won't cancel it out. However, Wii games have been quite present in top 10/30 lists from the various major regions already.
While is not really fair, it is be the best comparison, because all that matter to developers are after the launch, not before (why would the developer care if X360 was selling first if Wii is selling way more?) and since Wii will always have more buyers from now on it will always have this advantage anyway.JoshuaJSlone said:Sometimes, however, I have seen direct comparisons of X360's first few months with Wii's first few months, but again there's a factor that puffs up X360's appearance: Wii has many more owners
JJConrad said:I was looking at July's NPD and concedering the tie ratios for the Wii and 360. I noticed that the Wii's growth rate was about 4.5 times that of the 360. So for the Wii to maintain it's ~3.5 tie ratio with 425k new console sold last month it would have to have sold about 1,450,000 games... while in order for the 360 to maintain its 6.1 ratio, it would only have to sell about 1,050,000 games.
In other words, Wii software could be outselling 360 software by wide margins but that would never be reflected by comparing tie ratios
Maybe not intentional spin, but yes. I would wager that the vast majority of people who use tie ratio has an arugument don't understand the signicance of those numbers. Tie ratios are useful when systems are about the same age and are growing at about the same rate, but neither of those factors apply this generation.mentalfloss said:So, basically, the fact that 360 owners may parade the 360's software selection over Wii's is a bit of spin?
felipeko said:And i think the next milestone we should watch is Wii Western takeover, because for most western developers that what they really care... Any guestimate on how long will it take?