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Redd said:
This. don't ever put your console on a carpet.
Err, okay, I won't. But why is it dangerous? Fire hazard?

I do have the Wii on the carpet, although it's in its system stand, so maybe it doesn't count. Either way, I guess I could put something like a plastic mat between the PS3 and the carpet, should I were to ever want it out of the cabinet. Suggestions?
 
drakesfortune said:
Yes, this is how I have mine. I have it right at the edge. I've had mine inside the cabinet and outside, and I noticed no difference in fan volume, so it gets good ventilation that way. You'll be fine, especially since MGS4 PS3 is a cooler running PS3 than the 60gig.
Music to my ears. Here's hoping it works out well.

And yes, yes, I know Uncharted has earned a lot of fans and there must be good reason for that. I'll definitely check out the demo to sample the game's concept. But for the most part, my attention will be given to an aging super-commando with a cigar and patch-eye.

Speaking of which, if someone would be so kind as to trick out my Ivysaur avatar with the Solid Eye and cigar, that'd be groovy.
 
Bearillusion said:
Never put consoles on the carpet. Never.
this. Since you said your PS3 cabinet space is fairly close to the ground, I suggest you wipe it regularly; the PS3 is a fucking dust MAGNET, regardless of where its placed.

Seriously, I once placed my PS3 vertically on the carpet in the living room, and when I was done playing, I went to unplug my ps3 to take to my room, and I found that the bottom half of the system had small bits of dust and random stuff just stuck to the outside of the system o_o

and its also a fire hazard, IMO.
 
Darkpen said:
this. Since you said your PS3 cabinet space is fairly close to the ground, I suggest you wipe it regularly; the PS3 is a fucking dust MAGNET, regardless of where its placed.

Seriously, I once placed my PS3 vertically on the carpet in the living room, and when I was done playing, I went to unplug my ps3 to take to my room, and I found that the bottom half of the system had small bits of dust and random stuff just stuck to the outside of the system o_o

and its also a fire hazard, IMO.

My PS3 is vertical and one inch above the carpet and I don't have any dust on it as of yet. It's all dependent on airflow and the amount of traffic in the room.
 
SRG01 said:
My PS3 is vertical and one inch above the carpet and I don't have any dust on it as of yet. It's all dependent on airflow and the amount of traffic in the room.
or how dirty the carpet is D:
 
Private Hoffman said:
If you know whats good for you you'll get LBP and stop being so cynical.
I'm not being mean-spirited. I'm just saying that in appearance, LBP doesn't have any of the charm of Galaxy (but what does). But rest assured, I'll try the demo if one is released. I don't think anyone would buy something blindly on a system that has a try-and-buy schematic. That's fair, don't you think?
 
Neiteio said:
I'm not being mean-spirited. I'm just saying that in appearance, LBP doesn't have any of the charm of Galaxy (but what does). But rest assured, I'll try the demo if one is released. I don't think anyone would buy something blindly on a system that has a try-and-buy schematic. That's fair, don't you think?

You could always rent it too. That's what I usually do when Gaf or Ads hype a game to an insane amount. I do hope it's good though because I want to see 2d platform games do well.
 
Neiteio said:
I'm not being mean-spirited. I'm just saying that in appearance, LBP doesn't have any of the charm of Galaxy (but what does). But rest assured, I'll try the demo if one is released. I don't think anyone would buy something blindly on a system that has a try-and-buy schematic. That's fair, don't you think?

mario galaxy and lbp are entirely different though.

LBP has lots of charm...i dunno how anyone could say otherwise.

But yeah, fair enough. Wait for the reviews, of course. :D
 
Also since you don't have an XB360, remember there's a ton of great third party games like Call of Duty 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Burnout Paradise, etc.
 
Private Hoffman said:
mario galaxy and lbp are entirely different though.

LBP has lots of charm...i dunno how anyone could say otherwise.

But yeah, fair enough. Wait for the reviews, of course. :D
Yeah, I should clarify that the Galaxy comparisons were raised only because someone suggested I would like LBP since I'm a Nintendo gamer. And I was only comparing the way the games look.

Also, I honestly believe LBP will be an excellent, excellent game. I don't know whether it will work for me, and I won't know until I play it. But whether I like it or not, I'll always acknowledge it's a quality game. Sorta like how I acknowledge the Madden games are great even though I don't play those types of games.

Guy Legend said:
Also since you don't have an XB360, remember there's a ton of great third party games like Call of Duty 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Burnout Paradise, etc.
GTA4 is the second game I'll pick up, when I'm done with MGS4. I'd like to try CoD4 at some point, especially for what looks like excellent multiplayer. And Burnout Paradise... I don't know much about that game. Is it a slick racer to tide me over until Gran Turismo 5 comes out someday? I've been looking for an impressive car game to floor my car-nut dad with, but I can't bring myself to buy GT5 Prologue when it's just a "taste" of what's to come...
 
Neiteio said:
Yeah, I should clarify that the Galaxy comparisons were raised only because someone suggested I would like LBP since I'm a Nintendo gamer. And I was only comparing the way the games look.

Buy Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, and stick with the MGS4 bundle. Those three games will last you a while. Although nothing mentioned there is as good as Galaxy, then again what is? Those 3 games should last you for a good while, and they are probably what you are looking for. As a Nintendo nut, they were right up my alley.
 
Neiteio said:
GTA4 is the second game I'll pick up, when I'm done with MGS4. I'd like to try CoD4 at some point, especially for what looks like excellent multiplayer. And Burnout Paradise... I don't know much about that game. Is it a slick racer to tide me over until Gran Turismo 5 comes out someday? I've been looking for an impressive car game to floor my car-nut dad with, but I can't bring myself to buy GT5 Prologue when it's just a "taste" of what's to come...

Burnout is an arcade game all about speed and big crashes. Burnout Paradise in particular has a free roaming city you can drive around, play online, etc. Their free updates are also a big plus.

I have GT5 prologue and if you're a car nut or a fan of the series, it's worth picking up. There's a decent amount of cars in the game and the graphics are excellent (including full interiors for each car). Online features are lacking at the time, but there will be a big update for this game later this year. Also for simulation racers, conisider GRID.

Both Burnout Paradise and GRID have demos available in the PSN store (though the Burnout demo no longer has online play enabled, last I checked GRID does).
 
Well, I got my PS3 80GB MGS4 bundle. It arrived late Monday evening. And I have to say... I love it.

I don't want to risk jinxing myself by saying this, but I hooked up the PS3 without a hitch and it runs like a charm. It keeps its cool and the fans only pick up once in a while, and when they do they're a steady hum more akin to white noise than anything distracting. Then, after a while, the fans stop once the system's cooled itself. I was amazed at how easy the setup was. The system installation took awhile, but I have no problem with that. It did all the work, while I looked at the blisteringly sharp lettering onscreen and the cool wavy-light graphic.

Then, I went to install MGS4. My whole family was enthralled by the installation sequence. The attention to detail, from the textures and lighting to the modeling and animation, was mindblowing. Then came the game. The title screen sequence was so beautiful, I watched it all the way through. And I was quite surprised by what came after the title screen, if you let it keep running. There are at least several live-action, Super Bowl-quality mock commercials in the game, and snippets of TV shows as well. The production values in MGS4 are through the roof.

When I finally hit START, I went to the Virtual Range, since I've never played an MGS game before... Or a Playstation game, period. Here's where I hit my first snag: learning the new controller. It took me a while to adjust, but between methodically testing the buttons and consulting the Briefings on the Pause screen, it was only a matter of time before I was running and rolling, walking in a crouch, using human shields and throwing enemies to the ground, gunning from the third- and first-person, lying flat on the ground and rolling over to shoot from my back... It's stunning how many options are at your disposal. It helped to invert the camera controls and adjust the game speed. I also figured out how to use the in-game iPod, and used it to play "Calling to the Night," a song I loved in Brawl. Soon, I was ready to start the game.

Holy smokes all over again. Snake's voiceover -- "War has changed" -- gave me chills. And while at this point I was still struggling with the controls, I mastered them reeeally quick when the Gekkos came. Talk about baptism by fire. I was scared shitless and had no idea where to go, so for the next hour I was running aimlessly. These were some of the best gaming moments I've ever had. I'll never forget hiding under a truck and watching, in first person, as three Gekkos gathered outside felt around with steely tentacles before "pissing" green chemicals and lumbering off. I'll never forget hugging the wall on the second floor of a bombed-out building, peering around the corner and seeing a Gekko's paw clamp down on the balcony, followed by the head peeking over the edge and into the room. I'll never forget crawling through the rubble and seeing the poor militiamen slaughtered all around me, the action unfolding in every direction, something that'll reward replays as there's no way I could've seen everything all at once. Damn.

It bears repeating: the Gekkos are amazing. So animalistic, so organic, even though story-wise theyÂ’re machines, and in reality theyÂ’re merely polygons on a screen. TheyÂ’re so believable, so full of life, that the suspension of disbelief was complete, and I totally bought into their existence, my mouth gaping wide as the controller melted into my hands and I forgot about everything but the game.

That was Monday night. Today, Wednesday, I finished Act 1. And that Act alone would've been worth the price of admission. That Act alone was better than most games in their entirety. It reminds me of the first part of Okami (up through Orochi), where it's so satisfying that they could've ended the game right then and there. But there's more and I can't wait to see what happens next. I'm loving every second of the gameplay and the cutscenes (and speaking of the cutscenes, some of them have a very leisurely pace that I enjoy; they remind me of an arthouse film).

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, I'm playing on Naked Normal, the second easiest difficulty. I decided it was best since I'm new to MGS. Even so, the fact I pulled off NO KILLS in Act 1 felt like a real accomplishment. I'm going to attempt completing the game without killing a single person. I love sneaking up on guards, Batman-style, and throwing them to the ground, stunning them. And I love using the tranquilizer. I bought a shitload of tranquilizer darts from Drebin for the FROG fight. So much fun. I also save the game frequently, "book-marking" each checkpoint in case I want to replay it later. There are too many moments I want to replay, too many cutscenes I want to rewatch and show to family and friends.

I've only scratched the surface of the game, but I can already tell it's very, very deep. There are a thousand approaches to any situation; all sorts of nooks and crannies hidden with goodies like iPod songs or Easter eggs; and I even found out I can explore with the Mk.II during mission briefings. I found a camera that way. Again, the depth, the detail -- insane. I'll be busy with this game for a long time.

(Quick question: is there a way to pause during Codec calls? I know I can pause during cutscenes, but if I hit START on a Codec call it skips the scene. That hasn't been a problem, since I only skipped a Codec call when replaying an earlier scene for fun on another file. But I'd still like to know.)

Then there's online. It took a LONG time to download the update patch using the peer-to-peer (which they recommend), but after that it was smooth sailing. I decked my guy out in black from head to toe, with the logic I'd blend into shadows better. Then I had a blast running around the levels on a team-based server where the gameplay style changed each round. I've played all of the starter maps except Ambush Alley, where my dark-colored character should really come in handy. IÂ’ve already had some fun moments. Once I was in a Team Sneaking mission, in stealth mode, kneeling on the rooftop of the factory in Grad, the one you reach with the catapult. I was invisible, and I watched as enemies scurried around down below. I picked them off one by one with the tranquilizer. Bliss.

The little IÂ’ve played of this game so far is worth $500. IÂ’m sure there are people who donÂ’t agree, but for me this game is hitting all the right spots. The gameplay is fantastic, and the cutscenes are so good IÂ’d take a whole movie of them.

And speaking of moviesÂ… I tried out the Blu-ray version of PanÂ’s LabyrinthÂ… OMG. Going in, I couldnÂ’t imagine how the movie could look better than it already did. But as someone who saw it in theaters four times, IÂ’ve never seen the movie look better than it does on Blu-ray. I felt like I could reach through my TV and feel the textures on the walls of the Pale ManÂ’s lair. My whole family was spellbound; they watched it in utter fascination. And we tried upscaling some regular DVDs, to spectacular results. The widescreen edition of Batman Begins looks incredible, and the Fullscreen edition of Night at the Museum looked crisper, cleaner and more colorful than before. The Blu-ray player has totally sold the rest of my family on the PS3. Amazing.

So far, so good. I havenÂ’t even looked around PSN yet. I still need to download some demos. And with my birthday coming up, IÂ’m going to lobby for a second Dualshock3 and a copy of Soul Calibur IV. My younger brothers love SC, and since the youngest isnÂ’t allowed to play MGS4, heÂ’ll have something to enjoy. I wonder if thereÂ’s a downloadable trailer or demo of SC4 on PSN? IÂ’ll have to check.

I’d like to conclude these first impressions by thanking everyone for helping me and pushing me toward a purchase. I was fully expecting a bad case of buyer’s remorse – I’ve never purchased an electronic this expensive before – but the value you get is unmatched. And to think that I’m loving MGS4 so much, and that after it I get to try Grand Theft Auto IV, and then Bioshock in October… It blows my mind.

Thanks again, everybody.
 
Congrats but I would highly recommend you to play at least MGS 1-3 before tackling MGS4 or you won't know what's going on.
 
Or, if you have a hard time finding the old games (depends on where you live), or just aren't arsed to play last-gen outings, download the MGS Database from the PS Store and start reading; there's literally hundreds of articles regarding the series' plot.

Nice to see a GAFer actually be happy about something aswell! Unfortunately there's no demo of SC4 to try out, but there's other stuff that might appeal to you. You should read about how to create the different regional accounts (one for US and one for EU, and eventually one for JP if you're arsed), it will help you when you want to try out demos.
 
I haven't had any problem following the story so far. This is in part due to the fact I watched the six-part, two-hour retrospective at GameTrailers, and read the plots of the first three games on Wikipedia. I do plan to download the Database -- it's free, after all -- but so far I'm done with Act 1 and I'm not confused at all. I know about FOXDIE, Outer Heaven, Big Boss, Liquid Snake's hand being grafted onto the triple-agent Ocelot, the gastrointenstinal problems of Akiba, et al. I think I'm even picking up on some of the more subtle elements.

But I'll definitely check out the Database. And probably the Essential Collection, someday.
 
My birthday's coming up, so I'm thinking about asking for Soul Calibur IV, since my younger brother loved SC2 and would be allowed to play the Teen-rated SC4. Plus, it looks and sounds gorgeous and has online play and customizable characters, both very neat features. And Hilde looks awesome.

I anticipate GTA4 will come some time thereafter, and I plan to make Bioshock a Day One purchase. But in the meanwhile, I need to get back to MGS4. I have no idea what'll happen next!
 
Neiteio said:
My birthday's coming up, so I'm thinking about asking for Soul Calibur IV, since my younger brother loved SC2 and would be allowed to play the Teen-rated SC4. Plus, it looks and sounds gorgeous and has online play and customizable characters, both very neat features. And Hilde looks awesome.

I anticipate GTA4 will come some time thereafter, and I plan to make Bioshock a Day One purchase. But in the meanwhile, I need to get back to MGS4. I have no idea what'll happen next!

Not sure if this is a factor, but there are a few scantily clad moments in SC4, which your parents may or may not allow your brother to see.
 
SRG01 said:
Not sure if this is a factor, but there are a few scantily clad moments in SC4, which your parents may or may not allow your brother to see.
I don't think it'll be an issue. Are you just referring to the outfits of characters like Ivy, or is there something more? If so, please elaborate.
 
Neiteio said:
My birthday's coming up, so I'm thinking about asking for Soul Calibur IV, since my younger brother loved SC2 and would be allowed to play the Teen-rated SC4. Plus, it looks and sounds gorgeous and has online play and customizable characters, both very neat features. And Hilde looks awesome.

I anticipate GTA4 will come some time thereafter, and I plan to make Bioshock a Day One purchase. But in the meanwhile, I need to get back to MGS4. I have no idea what'll happen next!

I know I'm in the minority here, but as a long-time PC gamer and someone who played Bioshock on the PC I felt that it was vastly inferior to System Shock/SS2/Deus Ex. It felt like they took a really great series and decided to strip it down and turn it into more of a shooter rather than a fun RPG/shooter mutant hybrid. When they say "spiritual successor" they mean it.

I'd advise going back and playing some of the earlier games and maybe trying out Bioshock somewhere before committing to it. I was super-hyped for it as well last year (not because of hype for the game, but because of past enjoyment primarily) and ended up being very disappointed.

Of course, I'm in the minority here. A lot of people who haven't played the original games seem to really like it.
 
Neiteio said:
I don't think it'll be an issue. Are you just referring to the outfits of characters like Ivy, or is there something more? If so, please elaborate.

Yes, I was referring to some of the outfits. I've heard that there was armor breaking in the game, but I'm not sure how much it actually reveals and/or how it actually works.
 
Belgand said:
I know I'm in the minority here, but as a long-time PC gamer and someone who played Bioshock on the PC I felt that it was vastly inferior to System Shock/SS2/Deus Ex. It felt like they took a really great series and decided to strip it down and turn it into more of a shooter rather than a fun RPG/shooter mutant hybrid. When they say "spiritual successor" they mean it.

I'd advise going back and playing some of the earlier games and maybe trying out Bioshock somewhere before committing to it. I was super-hyped for it as well last year (not because of hype for the game, but because of past enjoyment primarily) and ended up being very disappointed.

Of course, I'm in the minority here. A lot of people who haven't played the original games seem to really like it.
I've played Deus Ex and System Shock 2 and I like Bioshock better than both. I never really got that into Deus Ex and I thought System Shock 2 started out really badly with shit breaking too often and annoying psy-monkeys.

But Bioshock isn't really like those games so going in expecting that is probably a mistake. It's a high concept shooter and really not much more.
 
I must admit, I enjoyed reading your impressions of MGS4. You've approached the game from a completely fresh perspective. No bias against anything, just going in with a pure sense of wonder. It's very refreshing to read. I'm glad you're enjoying the game so much!

Belgand said:
I know I'm in the minority here, but as a long-time PC gamer and someone who played Bioshock on the PC I felt that it was vastly inferior to System Shock/SS2/Deus Ex. It felt like they took a really great series and decided to strip it down and turn it into more of a shooter rather than a fun RPG/shooter mutant hybrid. When they say "spiritual successor" they mean it.

I'd advise going back and playing some of the earlier games and maybe trying out Bioshock somewhere before committing to it. I was super-hyped for it as well last year (not because of hype for the game, but because of past enjoyment primarily) and ended up being very disappointed.

Of course, I'm in the minority here. A lot of people who haven't played the original games seem to really like it.
This post seems a bit out of place here. Your post is aimed at the jaded, hardcore PC gamer of old. I think you have to consider your audience with that post. Read those MGS4 impressions. Bioshock may not be as well designed as System Shock 2, but it's still a worthy followup. For someone unfamiliar with that type of game, I'd say it's smarter to play Bioshock first anyways as it's much more accessable. Also, due to the beautiful presentation and polished feel, it is more likely to grab a new player anyways. Let's face it, Shock 2 is not a beautiful game and has a lot of rough edges (let's not even get to Shock 1, which I loved at the time but does NOT hold up in most areas).

Shock 2 is one of my favorite PC games of all time (along with Deus Ex), but Bioshock was still very memorable and worth playing. If you were a fan of the previous Shock games it may be a tad disappointing, but I could never recommend skipping out on it. It's not like Deus Ex Invisible War or anything (which was a huge clusterfuck of a "sequel"). Then again, even THAT game may still have been enjoyable for those unfamiliar with the series...
 
Awesome impressions Neiteio. It's great hearing such a impressions of MGS4 for someone going in completely fresh of a Metal Gear Solid game, there's this brand new sense of awe and wonder that can only be seen completely the first time through is great to read.
 
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Awesome impressions Neiteio. It's great hearing such a impressions of MGS4 for someone going in completely fresh of a Metal Gear Solid game, there's this brand new sense of awe and wonder that can only be seen completely the first time through with such a games series.
I know. Just reading that brings back memories of playing the original MGS for the first time. I played it just one week before the launch of Dreamcast and only did so as a way to "pass the time". As a hardcore PC gamer, I was not impressed with the visuals, but I didn't expect the kind of game it presented either. Such a great experience. At that point, I had never played another game quite like that before.

I envy someone going into the series for the first time as well as experiencing the impressive presentation of MGS4 without having any experience with the HD consoles.
 
Always nice to see someone new who 'gets' MGS series :)

You should download demos of Uncharted, R&C, Motorstorm and SuperStardust HD from PSN for sure. Those are some of the most accomplished games technically you can get, and in case of Uncharted, some of the best 3rd person controls and animation ever to make into a game.

You should also absolutely check out Ico and Shadow of the Colossus on PS2. Those games are pure magic. In fact, those probably should be the next games you play after you're done with whatever interests you on PS3 the most.
 
Hey guys, topic starter here.

I finally got around to checking out the PSN store. I downloaded some free game trailers (Killzone 2, Street Fighter IV, the MGS4 theatrical trailer), and some themes as well (Bioshock and MGS4). However, I don't see any demos of Uncharted or SuperStardust HD, two games I really wanted to try. Can somebody check PSN and tell me whether I'm simply not looking hard enough? All of the demos available seem to be for much more recent games.

A quick MGS4 update: the location of Act 2 is so lushly beautiful that I had to use the in-game camera to capture the moment. I took a couple shots of the distant mountains, ensconced in jungle greenery under a crisp morning sky. I later checked the pics in the Photo Gallery and found I can export the pics for use as Wallpaper on the PS3 main menu. Cool!

I'm currently at the checkpoint right after Snake talks with the Colonel about the Colonel's new marriage (I'm speaking in vague terms here to avoid spoilers). It took me awhile to get past the point before that, at the base with all the guards. Speaking of which, nightvision made for some hold-your-breath moments as a guard walked into the pitch blackness of a shed I was hiding in. Also, at the beginning of the Act some rebels are lined up and executed if you wait long enough. I didn't like that so I quit and restarted, and this time I saved all the prisoners by knocking out their captors with tranquilizers. It felt good to see the rebels run away unscathed.

I also replayed half of Act I today, and my family was fine with my youngest brother watching. None of them seem bothered by the warfare in the opening cinematic. Normally they would be, but the game presents war in a very serious, respectful manner. MGS4 doesn't celebrate warfare; it laments the horrors of human conflict, like a good war movie. By that measure the game is quite humane. And the quality is so good it demands attention.

Playing through Act I again was even more incredible than the first time. There are multiple entry points between one area and the next. This time, I took a different route and wound up by a statue of a naked boy. I stood on its pedestal, hit Triangle and... Well, something funny happened. :lol

Some other cool points: I discovered I can hide inside lockers, which made for a tense moment as a guard walked by. I also hid in a dumpster, came out with flies buzzing around me, and when I snuck past a guard he said, "Damn, what's that smell?" I also tranquilized all the injured people in the rebel hideout, to help ease their suffering (I know, I'm weird), and during the Gekko fight (which I am madly, deeply in love with) I saw some crazy new things, like buildings collapsing and a Gekko jumping onto the second floor of a building. I nearly shat myself, being on the building's roof and suddenly having this monstrosity land beside me and eclipse the sun. I also found out I can stun people with the Mk.II. My brother and I were laughing as I wheeled around giving guards a jolt to the rear. That thing is so goddamn cute.

I can't wait to play some more tonight. It's great that the weekend's finally here. And it looks like Soulcalibur IV is a lock. I can't wait to try Hilde; she looks like a cross between Cassandra and Kilik, two characters I liked in SC2.

In the meanwhile, I'd appreciate it if someone could explain where the Uncharted demo is in the PSN store. Many of the demos you guys mentioned aren't there right now, as far as I can tell.
 
Uncharted and SSDHD have demos; go to "view all by title" section on the left side, and do a search for "S" and "U" for the respective titles and you will see them.
 
One thing I forgot to note, have you watched the first briefing available from the main menu? You know the scene on the plane that occurs between the Acts? There is one that takes place BEFORE Act 1. I believe this is not integrated into the game as they didn't want to start the entire game with such a low-action sequence, but it has good info.

I also found out I can stun people with the Mk.II. My brother and I were laughing as I wheeled around giving guards a jolt to the rear. That thing is so goddamn cute.
The MKII is so useful and makes a great scouting tool for just that reason!
 
Neiteio said:
But it's time I broadened my horizons.

then its time to play some PS1 and PS2 games, amirite?

Many of the best titles (well some PS1 classics are $$ but eh) are cheap, so you can have great experiences without making your bank account cry. Try going to the store and just browse the used section (you should buy your games new, but its PS2 we're talking about) and pick out a title that looks cool, but don't read anything about it beforehand; you might be surprised at what you experience.

You never owned a Playstation console until now, so what did you have last gen? Just a Gamecube or something?


Also: make sure you try some of the PSN exclusive stuff like the PixelJunk games and Siren.
 
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Buy SSHD.....right now! :D
 
About mission briefings... I watched the one labeled Act 1, accessed separately from the Main Menu... Is that the one you're talking about? It did appear to take place before the game starts, setting up Snake's hit on Liquid. That's the briefing where I used the Mk.II to find a camera and, I think, an iPod song.

An update: I just beat Laughing Octopus last night. Amazing battle! I used non-lethal v-ring rounds in the twin barrel. Afterward I found a little trophy of the Beast form, as I did with the Frogs back in Act 1. However, I timed out on the Beauty form (I was taking pictures), and I think the timeout kills her. I'm going to retry the fight from a backup file, and this time use stun grenades and tranquilizers to knock her out before time expires.

The battle itself was amazing. Weaving in and out of rooms, playing hide and seek... I wish I knew how to spoiler tag, but I'll just say that when I realized I wasn't looking at a crucifix up on the wall, I nearly woke up the house.

I'm starting to think Act 2 might be even better than Act 1. It's simply the most beautiful setting I've ever seen in a videogame, or anything that displays on a TV for that matter. And these breathtaking vistas play host to some EPIC battles. I'm doing my best to sneak by, assisting the rebels by sedating all the enemies from afar. It's immensely satisfying to drop the last guard with a well-aimed tranquilizer, and then hear the rebels let out a victory cheer. The Gekkos are the only thing missing so far. I love those things and I'm hoping they'll show up soon to terrorize South America.

I have a question, though. In the Vista Mansion, on the stairwell leading to the second floor, I knocked out a couple guards with melee moves, hitting R1 while standing to deliver a three-hit combo. It stunned them, but then a third guy came up the stairs and I did the same thing... And he faded away. I didn't kill him, did I? I don't think it's possible to kill people with melee moves, but I'm no expert either. For what it's worth, I had the tranquilizer equipped. All I did was run up to him and used R1 to punch, punch, KICK!

Maybe he just disappeared because there was a battle raging outside and the system wanted to remove some still bodies from play? Either way, is there a way to tell if I have zero kills so far?
 
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