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Wii storage solution coming?
- Thread starter Dolphin
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Mmmm... lets be creative and realistic at the same time:
You use your PC [HDD] to store them via wi-fi? PC channel maybe? It would be faster than re-downloading everything...
I mean... Nintendo just announced a router that's casual/non-tech-people proof...
People with wi-fi doesn't have to pay a dime... people without it, well... Nintendo can sell you a wireless router if you want one [or go to Best Buy and get one
]...
You use your PC [HDD] to store them via wi-fi? PC channel maybe? It would be faster than re-downloading everything...
I mean... Nintendo just announced a router that's casual/non-tech-people proof...
People with wi-fi doesn't have to pay a dime... people without it, well... Nintendo can sell you a wireless router if you want one [or go to Best Buy and get one
]...brain_stew
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Soule said:
There's no need at all for a HDD, a 2GB SD card can be had for $10 and offers 8 times the current storage available to Wii users (256MB). That's more than enough, Nintendo just need to upgrade the firmware to allow us to boot games from SD cards and all is right with the world. There's no need for an overpriced HDD dangling off my Wii. A 2GB card has enough space for at least 50 Wiiware games, which is an obscene amount.
brain_stew said:
Wii internal memory
512MB
2163 blocks
My life as a king - 300 Blocks
50 games * 300 blocks each = 15000 blocks = 3,5 Gb
2Gb card = 8652 Blocks / 300 per game = 29 games
Not counting channels and saves.
It's easier just to have a 20Gb/40Gb hdd in there and forget about blocks and such. I got about 12/14 VC games + 3 or 4 Wiiwares and have to delete from time to time in order to play other games. It's a fucknig hassle. I don't even know exactly how many games I own because I cannot put them all in the console at the same time!
Azure Dream
Member
With such limited space, having locked saves for several of the Wi-Fi games that you can't move to SD card makes it even worse.
Version 3.0
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jrricky said:
Yeah, I was joking...but sadly, I can't quite convince myself that Nintendo isn't dumb enough to do this.
brain_stew said:
Yes, this is obviously the best solution. Check any past storage thread and you can see there are some tech problems (dealing with their incredibly slow encryption, I gather), but since you can apparently already do this with a hacked Wii, they need to make it happen for the legitimate users with money waiting.
brain_stew
Member
itxaka said:
You only have access to ~256MB, the rest is for the OS. Wiiware games are restricted to 40MB. You really see yourself, downloading more than 45 Wiiware games? If the Wii supports SD HC, even that's not an issue, if it doesn't then switching an SD card really isn't all that difficult. There is absolutely no use for a 40GB HDD, its a complete waste.
Leondexter said:
Nintendo created the encryption, they must know what makes it slow. Honestly, reading from the SD slot (i.e. transferring to the Wii) is super quick for me, less than 30 seconds for even the biggest of files, and that's with an unoptimised solution and draconian encryption. Just dump that data to RAM, or a reserved part of flash memory every time I load a game from SD and be done with it. Wipe it when I boot another. There'd be no performance penalties as games would be running exactly as they have been before. Its not rocket science, honestly.
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itxaka said:
A HDD is fine, but you're not limited to one SD card. I think an SD card solution would be better because it's universal--everyone already has the SD card slot (and cards are much cheaper than any HDD solution would be).
Grampa Simpson
Banned
A 16 gig SDHC card would hold me for a long time with a 40 meg game size limit. $50 on newegg for the kingston version.
Even if they upped the maximum game size it would be fine. The 256 megs of usable is what is really killing me.
Even if they upped the maximum game size it would be fine. The 256 megs of usable is what is really killing me.
brain_stew
Member
jett said:
They already do. The problem is not being able to boot directly from an SD card, although the problem is way overplayed as SD transfers are quite snappy with a decent speed card.
brain_stew said:
Ask speevy about his psn collection or that guy that had about 130 VC games :lol
I rather have SDHC built in, but seeing on how slow it is? I rather have a usb where i can store all my photos and downloads as many games as I want.
Plus with a HDD og 20GB they could release the impossition of 40Gb for wiiware games, and offer saturn games for example. Or better neo-geo roms, or n64 games of 512 cartridges.
You are way overestimating the average game's size. I have nearly 100 VC/WiiWare titles and saves including a few dozen Wii saves on my 2Gb SD card along with dozens of JPG images. I still have plenty of room. If a lot more good big WiiWare games come out your argument might be justified, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.itxaka said:
On another note, can't the Wii access the GCN card slots in Wii mode? If so, what are the GCN memory card transfer rates compared to SD on the Wii. While it's possible for Ninty to use a standard SD or USB solution, I expect them to go a more proprietary route like GCN cards. Is there anything that would limit the memory of a GCN memory card on the Wii?
Anyone think they might combine a storage solution with something like DVD playback, DS play on Wii, the one to one Wiimote add-on, etc?
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Losing your memory, or just repeating yourself?Threi said:
Its not only VC and Wiiware you have to worry about. There's also all these new channels like the MK Wii channel and the Wii Fit channel. Wii Music and Animal Crossing Wii will surely have it too and if the MK channel and Wii Fit channel size are any indication, I might have to start deleting/moving more than just VCs and Wiiware game when those come out.
Oh crap then you got the fact that Rock Band 2 is going to be fully functional and have DLC.
Oh crap then you got the fact that Rock Band 2 is going to be fully functional and have DLC.
2 Minutes Turkish
Banned
comedy bomb said:
That's right, because dreams are in your sleep.
Well, I have 3 convoluted ways that they could make a storage solution that doesn't use the internet.
1) Use both USB ports on the back at once, and make the device that connect to them a USB hub, reserve 100 MB/s for the Storage device, leave the rest for the other USB devices (Which I don't think use that much of the band width)
2) Have a wireless device that connects to all 3 of non used Blue Tooth channels at one time, brining up the speed enough to be usesable for an external device
3) Use the Gamecube controller and Memory card ports to connect to an external storage device. No idea if this would be fast enough, but it is a possibility.
1) Use both USB ports on the back at once, and make the device that connect to them a USB hub, reserve 100 MB/s for the Storage device, leave the rest for the other USB devices (Which I don't think use that much of the band width)
2) Have a wireless device that connects to all 3 of non used Blue Tooth channels at one time, brining up the speed enough to be usesable for an external device
3) Use the Gamecube controller and Memory card ports to connect to an external storage device. No idea if this would be fast enough, but it is a possibility.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
the gcn sd adapter (official or gecko) works with non-HC sd cards - it's pretty much a plain re-wiring scheme, as the original GCN card bus can carry sd singalling as it is, and specialized software can access that.Luigison said:
re speeds, can't remember exact speeds, but it's was slower that the front sd slot, IIRC. but yes, in practice it can be viewed as yet another sd slot, albeit slower.
blu said:
Not just special soft, I believe almost any game can save on sd-cube?
I gotta try, I made one myself out of a gc memory card that only conects to the sd when is inserted. If nothing is inserted it uses the memory card own space. I can't belive I haven't tried it yet xD
What about if the new wiimotes (the ones with motion+ integrated) came with storage space inside?
Grampa Simpson
Banned
If the firmware can be upgraded, then compatibility can be achieved. I haven't read up on the subject too much lately, but I believe the differences are in the memory addressing and the filesystem. The electromechanical characteristics are the same.Drkirby said:
brain_stew
Member
bmf said:
Well there we go. The SD slot is 100% the perfect solution, so how about it Nintendo?
cann3dheat
Member
A SD card upgrade would be great, but I guarantee that won't be it. Nintendo never does things...correctly. I say they'll probably store the games on some sort of server and you can re-download them as you want.
Convenient? No.
Nintendo? Yes.
Convenient? No.
Nintendo? Yes.
Cheesemeister
Member
cann3dheat said:
You can already re-download games you've deleted.
Watch it be a new model of Wii with 1GB of internal flash starting in January.
JohnTinker
Limbaugh Parrot
We all know we can re-download games, and since Nintendo is pushing this technique on us, does this mean they won't be deleting old titles from the VC service like Microsoft has done with old Live Arcade games?
If Nintendo were to delete old VC games that nobody buys anymore, they run the risk in someone trying to re-download the game but it isn't up anymore. Nintendo has to figure out something here.
If Nintendo were to delete old VC games that nobody buys anymore, they run the risk in someone trying to re-download the game but it isn't up anymore. Nintendo has to figure out something here.
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brain_stew said:
They are? You're the first person I've ever seen make that claim. What card are you using? The first one I tried (Kodak) didn't even work with the Wii, although it was perfectly fast with my PC. So I paid the premium for the SanDisk Wii-branded card to ensure compatibility, and it works, but it's almost as slow as me speaking all the 0's and 1's out loud.
If there's a card that's faster, I want it. But maybe your definition of "snappy" isn't the same as mine. Here are some numbers:
The largest file I have, Midnight Pool, takes 2 min 45 seconds to copy to the SD card. It takes 1 min to copy back. On my PC, I can copy the same file to the card in 12 seconds, and from the card in 3 seconds.
Like I said, if there's a card where I can get speeds on the Wii that are closer to what I get with my PC, I want one.
Nuclear Muffin
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Drkirby said:
It is fixable with firmware. PSP had the same problem originally where it wouldn't accept any Memory Stick size larger than 2GB, (I think it was 3.0) the 3.0 FW update fixed this and allowed for compatability with any sized Memory Stick (Currently 32GB is the largest Stick avaliable and it works with PSP)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
the solution is to buy more Wiis and have each wii have its own supply of games. Yes, excellent.
or maybe a wii with a hard drive in it, but no attachment available so you'll have to buy the new wii drive version.
oh the possibilities are endless when you have a product that sells regardless
or maybe a wii with a hard drive in it, but no attachment available so you'll have to buy the new wii drive version.
oh the possibilities are endless when you have a product that sells regardless
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
it's not allowed. the games you copy to the sd are runnable only on the wii they were copied from, that's the whole point of the taxing sd encryption scheme.bcn-ron said:
my understanding is that the software should be deliberately written to work with the sd protocol. but i don't know if some parts of the original gcn card protocol overlap with the sd protocol - maybe certain ops are identical for both media.itxaka said: