Papacheeks
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Exactly my whole entire point. Thank You
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Wii U bundle with Super Smash Bros + Splatoon for $249
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Exactly my whole entire point. Thank You
Value is based on what the company offers as a price and what the consumer will purchase. If Sony wants to devalue their games then that's their choice.
The thing is the bulk of Nintendo games hold their price because they still sell for that price. Nintendo's not making money by selling services like PS+, they make money on game and console sales. If you decide that those games aren't worth that price then that's fine, it's your decision. It's not a "tax" it's the value of those games at that time. Vote with your wallet.
You seem to be going pretty out of your way to condemn this bundle as not worth your money, which is fine. However you're going to great lengths as if you're trying to discourage others from disagreeing with you.
I guess you are right. Sony and MS do have other streams of revenue and didnt think about that. (PS+ was made required for MP ala MS)
With how the marketplace is though, its hard to ignore game prices across the board. Like MS and Sony due to being very similar in nature must compete with each other while Nintendo is doing its own thing which is fine. But I think not being in direct competition does hurt them in their image and sales too.
Anyways I think this is a solid deal for those gamers who were on the fence. Only reason I dont like the preinstalled (from what I read) games is the system only has 32GB. If this thing had a 250GB/500GB HDD, that would be different.
Papacheeks
Banned
Your whole value proposition frankly is complete BS. Everyone knows from past Nintendo consoles that the reason their games are so god damn exspenive is because of limited printing. WHich was proved by some of the links I submitted. Nothing against the deal, for people who are Nintendo fan's it's not a bad deal, but for the average person looking for a console for their kid/grand son or what have you it's not.
They can't go back to the same Wii u section of the store and get let's say SUper Mario Bros U for 19.99-29.99 as a greatest hit. And games like Pikmin can only be found for 79.99 on amazon through some weird third party seller.
Reason is game is not in print any more. Games that you can get fairly cheap right now are either new releases and are part of the black friday deal, or on Eshop for black friday. If you want to get some cheap Nintendo exclusive games, good luck.
And since these are preinstalled more than half of your storage is gone, basically buying some oldschool games off of Estore will make you need an external.
So for 250$ if you are Die hard Nintendo fan you will get more out of it than the average buyer, who is buying it as a gift. ANd usually in my retail experience people buy these with the intention of buying games on top of the initial price of the console. And that's where these over bloated high priced Nintendo games make this deal not so great IMHO.
Gotdatmoney
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Nintendo main stay games retain their value way longer than most other games on the market. This is not new or even slightly unknown. There are stores I have seen ssbm for $50 still. To argue the software is overpriced for what you get is fine but its not a new concept at all with nintendo. Their games don't get outdated by new iteration and their software has such a long tail they do not need to reduce their price point. Welcome to the last 15-20 years of gaming :/
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
Is that fast enough to work properly as an external drive for the Wii U? Even if it's 3.0, I thought USB sticks weren't really recommended for that sort of thing.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
The Wii U has USB 2.0 ports - you could have the worlds fastest super ultra next-gen SSD drive hanging off it but it will only perform as fast as the port is spec'd to perform. Reliable branded USB sticks are fine - regardless of what Nintendo states. I have had a 64GB drive plugged in the back USB ports of my Wii U since 2013 with absolutely no problems.
AstroNut325
Member
So $270 (assuming I get the 64GB like you). Yeah.... no thank you.
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Deleted member 465307
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This seems like a pretty good deal to me and what I'd recommend to anyone looking to buy a Wii U this year.
Given that this is $250 for the console AND two games, I expect $250 might become Wii U's regular price next year once NX is officially revealed (assuming they can do so without taking a significant loss); if there's a home console NX shown, I expect Wii U sales to slow even further. It should then probably be $250 with Black Friday $200 deals until all Wii Us are sold out once home console NX is a real thing.
Part of that speculation is just me being hopeful that they drop the price because I can't see Nintendo releasing a home console NX at $300 or $350 if Wii U is still $300.
Given that this is $250 for the console AND two games, I expect $250 might become Wii U's regular price next year once NX is officially revealed (assuming they can do so without taking a significant loss); if there's a home console NX shown, I expect Wii U sales to slow even further. It should then probably be $250 with Black Friday $200 deals until all Wii Us are sold out once home console NX is a real thing.
Part of that speculation is just me being hopeful that they drop the price because I can't see Nintendo releasing a home console NX at $300 or $350 if Wii U is still $300.
dragonyeuw
Member
This is nothing new whether it be current or legacy software going back to the 16 bit days, there's a idea that Nintendo games are 'premuim', perpetuated by limited print runs, keeping their software prices at a certain pricing level, and most of their IPs( except Mario) having 1 or at most 2 iterations every generation. It results in their games retaining value, making them 'collectible' for many gamers. And it conditions( for lack of a better word) people to go ahead and buy Nintendo games without waiting for price drops, as you would typically expect of other games both third and first party from other developers.
If this forum is anything to go by, this years arguable GOTY Bloodborne is available right now for $20 on amazon( and I imagine will be that price during the holiday season), and that's barely 6 months old and just had a new DLC pack released. Had that game been on a Nintendo console, irrespective of how well the system was selling and whether it was released this year or 2 years ago, it would be selling for $50 right now.
Badlucktroll
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I think the new system's name should just be an unpronounceable symbol. And people refer to it (even Nintendo) as the "new nintendo console", or "our console", or "the nintendo".
Sorry but Nintendo games this generation are not selling well; albeit a few here and there, but still pulling pretty bad numbers. Nintendo is pricing themselves out of a market, watching their market share crash, while still keeping their prices high for no arbitrary reason other than they think they can.
Heads up to anyone LTTP on this: as far as I can tell it's essentially sold out online. They won't ship it and despite what the page might suggest, you can't order it online for store pickup. (Seems like no matter what store I choose the fine print says 'This item is not currently available to purchase online for pickup at the selected store' - in other words, they're saving them for at-the-door Black Friday shoppers.)
A shame, since I just found out some family members wanted a Wii U/Smash/Splatoon. Guess I'll try my luck elsewhere.
A shame, since I just found out some family members wanted a Wii U/Smash/Splatoon. Guess I'll try my luck elsewhere.
dragonyeuw
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Ok. I don't recall making an argument that Nintendo games were selling well this gen. I'm speaking in general terms as to the various reasons why Nintendo games maintain their value. I'm neither defending or attacking their practices of keeping their software high.
Bear Force One
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Once NX is announced this will drop further. Don't want it for any multiplayer games, just a handful of exclusives, so I'm waiting for the true fire sale. For what I want it for still too pricey.
Soyongdori
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I'm still on fence whether i should buy wii u or xbox one.
when it was 299: too expensive, I will bite if it was 249;
when it is 249: still way too expensive, I will bite if it was 199;
when it becomes 199: still expensive, I will bite if it was ___.
Kidding aside, these people will never buy a WiiU however low its price, I totally get that. What perplexes me is why they bothered to post their "I will bite if ..." comment every time a WiiU sales comes up. Just to show how much they hate the console maybe?
when it is 249: still way too expensive, I will bite if it was 199;
when it becomes 199: still expensive, I will bite if it was ___.
Kidding aside, these people will never buy a WiiU however low its price, I totally get that. What perplexes me is why they bothered to post their "I will bite if ..." comment every time a WiiU sales comes up. Just to show how much they hate the console maybe?
I vented a little about this in another recent thread but people have always been that way about the WiiU. "I'll get it after [X] comes out" then "well maybe after a price cut/bundle" then "is there really not gonna be another 3D Mario game?" or "will they ever include the pro controller in the box" etc. etc. etc. The goalpost for when the system is worth it always moves further and further away.
Acerac
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Petrae
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No guarantee that we see this; look at the PS3 & X360; neither went bargain bin before they all but disappeared from retailer shelves of late. Nintendo has a bottom line and it's silly to discount a platform (and cut revenue) that's already a colossal failure. MAYBE it gets to $200 at retail, but I honestly consider that point to be the floor.
Clairvoyance
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Lol no.
It's just not a good investment, even with two of its best games included at $250. The system is dead. The successor arrives next year and the release calendar is bare. If you've waited this long you should just wait longer and grab this bundle for half this price next fall.
I mean, think about it. Right now you can get a PS4 system + game bundle for just $50 more, or an X1 for the same price. Both of those systems will be supported for several more years, are much more advanced in terms of hardware, OS and online & social functionality, and have release calendars packed with titles spanning many genres and pricepoints, not to mention that you'll end up saving money in the end since Sony and MS actually drop the price of their first party games and have regular sales that are actually good. I have a PS4 and I have a Wii U and I never play the latter, despite having most of its best games. Quite frankly, if it wasn't for Smash I would sell it while it was still worth something.
I mean, think about it. Right now you can get a PS4 system + game bundle for just $50 more, or an X1 for the same price. Both of those systems will be supported for several more years, are much more advanced in terms of hardware, OS and online & social functionality, and have release calendars packed with titles spanning many genres and pricepoints, not to mention that you'll end up saving money in the end since Sony and MS actually drop the price of their first party games and have regular sales that are actually good. I have a PS4 and I have a Wii U and I never play the latter, despite having most of its best games. Quite frankly, if it wasn't for Smash I would sell it while it was still worth something.
Splatoon and Smash Bros. Wii U are excellent games. This bundle is pretty sweet for those wanting a Wii U.
Glorified G
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This would have been a much more attractive bundle at $199 with either Smash or Splatoon. Most people are going to be picking this up as a secondary console and $249 entry price is still to pricey imo.
AstroNut325
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Jack The Nipper
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Wii u is a dead system. 150 and I'll pick it up
People complaining about people complaining about the price. The system was never going anywhere. People waited for a change in strategy that never came.
As time went on the system needed more than a price drop. I r a not that all the same people were waiting for 250 or 200. How do you know that the people who spoke 250 are the same ones waiting for 150 or 100 and why they can't change their mind when the system is failing more and more?
I'd like this deal at 150 but for a system that is dead and getting replaced I think 100 dollars in fire sales is my sweet of sweet spots.
Still have to buy the overly expensive games.
People complaining about people complaining about the price. The system was never going anywhere. People waited for a change in strategy that never came.
As time went on the system needed more than a price drop. I r a not that all the same people were waiting for 250 or 200. How do you know that the people who spoke 250 are the same ones waiting for 150 or 100 and why they can't change their mind when the system is failing more and more?
I'd like this deal at 150 but for a system that is dead and getting replaced I think 100 dollars in fire sales is my sweet of sweet spots.
Still have to buy the overly expensive games.
Jack The Nipper
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... Yes
Kingdom Hearts, deus ex, uncharted, kingdom Hearts 2.8, Detroit, hit shots golf and so much more. What does wii u have next year?
Look, wii u is a dead system that gets a.game or two every 4 months or so. It's impossible to have the good games ps4 Is having over the next two years. The new Nintendo system may fair better and get some of these as ports though.
I'll quote myself from the other thread:
He meant this year and we have no idea if these will be exclusives let alone if they release next year.
He meant this year and we have no idea if these will be exclusives let alone if they release next year.
dragonyeuw
Member
True, but on the other hand as time passes, and ps4/xb1 prices fall within range it looks really silly having a wii U priced anywhere near the other two. But clearly, Nintendo isnt going the firesale route and have decided just to extract whatever profits they can from the relative few willing to buy-in at the current asking price. In a way( not sure if this is an appropriate analogy) it kinda reminds me of apple hardware being more expensive than similair spec PCs, but its really the cost of entry to access their software ecosystem more than it is about the hardware itself. I think Nintendo takes a similar approach.
Cizeta-Moroder
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No, to contribute to driving the price down even further. 250 is still expensive for two games.
Oh, this Wii U is the new version? the one that reads only the bundled games? dind't know that!
Twilight Princess HD, Star Fox Zero, Mario & Sonic Rio, Pokken Tournament, SMTxFE, Zelda U, (probably) Pikmin 4 and likely more. It's not like there's nothing for 2016, in addition to the great exclusives it saw in 2012-2015.
MaverickHunterAsh
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Amazing deal. Two buddies of mine are trying to find this bundle in stores, but no luck so far... I can't find any in my area either.
If I hadn't picked up a Wii U at launch, I would definitely go for this.
If I hadn't picked up a Wii U at launch, I would definitely go for this.
if you were including games that weren't coming out in western markets in 2016, why not throw in persona 5 too?
ShockingAlberto
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My favorite multiplat is List Wars.
Jack The Nipper
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Your literally saying most the games it will have.Like I said. This is even stuoid to debate. Third party and small indie makes it 20 to 1 not even sure why we would discuss thissörine;186956444 said:
I think it's silly to list wii u games, some of you simply have to realize it's done. A handful of games for it next year, but if nx comes out next year and those games aren't on it.. Well, just another mistake by Nintendo.
It isn't like I tried to list what will be on ps4 like tekken and sf5. There Isla lot.. No.reason to do this lost war that is completely one sided.
Point is, for many people wii u needs a fire sale.
I mean wii u had one big third party exclusive in bayo 2 and people acted like it was the second coming. While wii u was missing cod, madden, creed, fallout, tomb raider and on and an and on. Wii u will have some fun games but for gamers that play a lot of games it's not worth a lot. It is Nintendo's worse system as far as amount of work while games overall
Well that's obviously subjective.
Cizeta-Moroder
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Any additional games cost extra.
sometimes i game
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I want to play Splatoon but am going to pass on this. First gen where I only went with one console.
::Looks at amount of people who object to Nintendo game prices not falling and Wii U sales::
Tell me more about the consumers purchasing Wii U and its games.
::Looks at amount of people who object to Nintendo game prices not falling and Wii U sales::
Tell me more about the consumers purchasing Wii U and its games.
I'm not sure what you want? I mean you ask for 2016 exclusives, I give them to you, then you complain about 3rd party ports?
James Scott
Banned
This bundle was the #3 best selling item at Target on their best sales day ever. Too bad it's a poor value, though.
You buy consoles so you can play games. Never got that argument.
slightconfuse
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Is this online anywhere??. Seem like it's in-store only
Diddy Kong
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Seemingly sold out online.
Acerac
Banned
Good luck finding it in store. All the Targets in my region sold out before 3 am.