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But its not fake.
Especially since WiiUs eDram will be on the same die as the GPU and big enough to make tiling unnecessary.
You're far too sensible for a junior and I agree with your perspective wholeheartedly. Games that use the extra power will eventually show, but it won't be the system's focus. But the best of PS4/720 I predict will be very noticeably better. I mean, I can't forget Iwata saying that AC3 "almost" runs as good as the 360 version, when really it should blow it out of the water, regardless of familiarity with the hardware.
Disorienter said:
We mentioned this earlier just in speculation, so I'm glad to hear it. Every HDTV is a little different, some worse than others. A noticeable delay (either way) between what you see on the pad and the screen would ruin the experience on a game like NSMB or Rayman. Sounds like the gamepad is quicker than the TV and there's a software enabled optimization to put the two devices in sync.
Hoodbury said:
Fake as tits, probably, but one can hope there's an element of truth to it. The earlier the better, IMO. Not just because I want one, but also in regard to 3rd party offerings where Wii U will otherwise be fashionably late to the party with the typical Nov 18th release. October would give an early adopter demand as well as a holiday demand, so why not utilize that?
Plus, if it launches with P-100, that would make a great buffer for Pikmin being a holiday title. Or vice versa. The games are different enough but also too similar, and because of that the interesting P-100 could be DOA. Unless it comes first or enjoys some breathing room, I see it being ignored. And since it doesn't have an official title, I doubt if it's actually a "holiday" title anyway but more of a early 2013 offering.
SquiddyBiscuit said:
Basically that's laser tag. Just different and silly enough to work as a casual title. And something like that should definitely happen, with the GamePad having a sensor bar. Virtual paintball maybe? The TV screen could be the scoreboard/status menu, with an overpowered Predator picking off humans, or something. 2 GamePads would make it more fun, and that framerate hit would actually not even matter in that sort of circumstance (that, and trivia games).
Meelow said:
I wonder if this in anyway means that my two NES Punch-Out!! purchases (Wii/3DS) means I won't have to buy it a 3rd time to play on Wii U. Or even better, if I get a friggin credit for buying the same digital game twice?
Where Have you been?!
I have a close relationship with the two managers at my local eb games and I ask all the time lol. They said until Nintendo announces a price there won't be an SKU in the system. You can preorder games though.
I guess the next Nintendo direct or press conference in the fall will be around the time we can preorder the Wii U.
Speaking of preorders, I just preordered a 3DS XL in red (old school Nintendo logo and Mario=red) and got $50 of trade-in credit towards it because I traded in 2 games
. Can't wait until August 19th.IceDoesntHelp
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It gets really hot in this thread sometimes. Ice helps, sometimes.
Apophis2036
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I wasn't happy for third party games as i play them all on a gaming PC.
I'm happy at hearing Wii U is only going to be 3 or 4 times weaker than PS4 / 720 because of the first party possibilities
.Can't wait to see the first Nintendo 'graphical showcase'.
You can't forget it and I can't actually remember it
A port of a game built around a certain architecture shouldn't necessarily blow the original out of the water even if the second system is quite a bit more powerful. There are examples of ports from PS2 to Xbox running worse than the original, and that was at a time when the Xbox architecture was well known.
Third parties main reasons for abandoning Nintendo was storage. Cartridges were expensive and held less data compared to cd's. Mini discs only held 1.5GB instead of the DVD's capacity of 4.7GB or 9GB (dual layer). That is why games like FF7-9 and GTA never made it to Nintendo consoles. With the wii it was graphics.
Now the Wii U has the same storage format, the same controllers, and the graphics. Developers have no excuses now except for "we don't think there is a market for our game on a Nintendo platform" or they just don't like Nintendo. This gen will show who really just doesn't want to release games on Nintendo or who had legitimate excuses.
JordanN
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They did this with the 3DS and got screwed over completely.
I recall GTA III was only 800mb.
And how come devs didn't have a problem using multiple discs for 360 games because it couldn't fit on one (ex:Rage, BF3, FFXIII)?
Does this just mean that if there is input lag on your TV, Nintendo's solution will be to duplicate the lag on the gamepad so they are essentially in synch?
Apophis2036
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Keep your chin up soldier !.
As i have said before GPU FLOP numbers mean very little, my PC has a GTX 550 Ti and it's rated at just under 700 gigaFLOPs, now there are other PC GPU's that are over 2000 teraFLOPS and are not as powerful as my card.
The memory bandwidth, core clock speed, shader clock speed, pixel fill rate and texture fill rates are all far more important than the overall 'FLOPs'.
They created Mario Galaxy, Skyward Sword and Metroid Prime 3 with what ?, a 12 gigaFLOP GPU on Wii, imagine what they can do with an at least 500 gigaFLOP GPU that has effects almost a decade more advanced than Wii's GPU.
bgassassin
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3DS fans will be happy.
Why buy twice the game where you're the first character owned?
Benchmarks?
Great post!!
GTA III was a PS2 exclusive that only ended up on Xbox to years later due to money hatting from Microsoft. Nintendo doesn't money hat.
Plus GameCube=Kiddy according to last gen reputation
I know first party games will be sexy, but I don't want the Wii U to miss out on ports due to specs.
Apophis2036
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Don't know where that GTA line came from i never said that
.To be honest with you if you are very interested in third party games i would play them on a gaming PC or either PS4 or 720 next gen.
You will be guaranteed them all on those consoles and looking the best they can on console.
Of course they should get Madden, Fifa, MoH, Blops 2 and WWE for launch and how those titles sell will be a big factor in how many more they get.
I think Wii U will get Resi 6, GTA V and Crysis 3 but only after it has an install base worthy of spending the money on developing those huge titles for it.
shinra-bansho
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Is this plausible guesspeculation, or is it based on a solid rumor/credible source?
JordanN
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Was it really a moneyhat? I did some research and apparently RS were going to release it on Gamecube/Xbox anyway after the exclusivity contract ended.
"The Grand Theft Auto franchise may soon be breaking records on the Nintendo GameCube as well according to Investors Business Daily. Upon completion of its exclusivity contract with SCEA at the end of 2004, Rockstar Games will release Grand Theft Auto III and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City on Nintendo GameCube and Microsoft Xbox."
http://www.gamecubicle.com/news-nintendo_gamecube_grand_theft_auto.htm
Holy fucking shit!
It's more than a decade
(13 years, to be more precise). Yeah, I'm nitpicking :/IceDoesntHelp
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Oh trust me, I know. Its rather entertaining at times. The meltdowns can be quite funny. Though the perma bans, are not. I will miss snesfreak, as well as Ace. I don't know who else is gone though.
Apophis2036
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Holy fucking shit!
It's more than a decade
Sorry i miss spoke on the specs, just to correct, i have a GTX 560 Ti which is rated at 1200 teraFLOPs but compare it to a Radeon HD 5850 which is rated at over 2000 teraFLOPs, my GPU is more powerful (faster core clock, shader clock, memory bandwidth, pixel fill rate and texture fill rate) despite being 700 FLOPs 'weaker'.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php/show_cards.php?card1=614&card2=641
Same point but i over exagerated, basing power estimates on FLOP numbers is silly imo, esp as we don't know any of the other details about the Wii U GPU
.Sorry i miss spoke on the specs, just to correct, i have a GTX 560 Ti which is rated at 1.2 teraFLOPs but compare it to a Radeon HD 5850 which is rated at over 2 teraFLOPs, my GPU is more powerful (faster core clock, shader clock, memory bandwidth, pixel fill rate and texture fill rate) despite being 700 GFLOPs 'weaker'.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php/show_cards.php?card1=614&card2=641
Same point but i over exagerated, basing power estimates on FLOP numbers is silly imo, esp as we don't know any of the other details about the Wii U GPU
Fixed it for you....
bgassassin
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Sorry i miss spoke on the specs, just to correct, i have a GTX 560 Ti which is rated at 1200 teraFLOPs but compare it to a Radeon HD 5850 which is rated at over 2000 teraFLOPs, my GPU is more powerful (faster core clock, shader clock, memory bandwidth, pixel fill rate and texture fill rate) despite being 700 FLOPs 'weaker'.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php/show_cards.php?card1=614&card2=641
Same point but i over exagerated, basing power estimates on FLOP numbers is silly imo, esp as we don't know any of the other details about the Wii U GPU
Ahhh. Makes sense now. You're comparing an nVidia GPU to an AMD GPU.
Sorry i miss spoke on the specs, just to correct, i have a GTX 560 Ti which is rated at 1200 teraFLOPs but compare it to a Radeon HD 5850 which is rated at over 2000 teraFLOPs, my GPU is more powerful (faster core clock, shader clock, memory bandwidth, pixel fill rate and texture fill rate) despite being 700 FLOPs 'weaker'.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php/show_cards.php?card1=614&card2=641
Same point but i over exagerated, basing power estimates on FLOP numbers is silly imo, esp as we don't know any of the other details about the Wii U GPU
USC-fan corrected you, but I was making a joke about the 2000 teraflops
It's 1.2 teraflops and 2 teraflops for the 560TI and 5850, respectively. Also, it's an Nvidia GPU being compared to an AMD GPU via Flop rating. That just doesn't work
Your best comparison with flop rating will be between GPUs of the same architecture. Even then, accurate measures of performance will be done via benchmarks and specs aside from Flops.
Apophis2036
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Ah ok, i didn't think it mattered AMD vs Nvidia .
I do think tho that people are focusing far too much on these 'FLOP' numbers esp when we have no idea how fast the chip is clocked ect.
.I do think tho that people are focusing far too much on these 'FLOP' numbers esp when we have no idea how fast the chip is clocked ect.
But even comparing AMd gpus the gflops numbers are misleading. AMD have switch to a new GPU core[GCN]. So comparing number between these and old cards are just like comparing nvidia vs AMD by glfop alone.
This is point I was making today. people were freaking out because the wiiu you might "only be 500gflop." Then comparing this number to ps3/x360. The glfop could only double but performance could be 4x that, for example. We would have to know a lot more details of the wiiu gpu before we can factor any of this in...USC-fan corrected you, but I was making a joke about the 2000 teraflops
It's 1.2 teraflops and 2 teraflops for the 560TI and 5850, respectively. Also, it's an Nvidia GPU being compared to an AMD GPU via Flop rating. That just doesn't work
Your best comparison with flop rating will be between GPUs of the same architecture. Even then, accurate measures of performance will be done via benchmarks and specs aside from Flops.
bgassassin
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I'm confused on what you're trying to say.
Which part?
bgassassin
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Nevermind, it finally clicked.
StreetsAhead
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(Not a tech guy...at all) If the e3 demos likely weren't optimised for the fifth kits (would they not just have pulled code there were using right before the 5th kits, since that would have been more stable??), is it likely some games will see reasonable improvements before launch? Or is there not enough time to take advantage of optimization in a meaningful way?
Again, I have no idea on this sort of stuff.
Again, I have no idea on this sort of stuff.
How does it harm you (other than wading through hardware speculation posts)? Confirmation wouldn't really change anything unless it was massively more powerful than anyone expects...it'd just confirm being weak. There'd still be specluation about whether it'd be enough for the future or complaints about not showing anything impressive enough (or accusing Nintendo of lying about the specs cause the games weren't impressive or something equally wacky).
It sounds like it'll miss out more due to publisher perceptions of the Wii U customers
and/or devs/pubs going down in flames and not being able to afford ports due to being stupid with development costs.
JordanN
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Prehaps I shouldn't say harm (as that comes off as emotional) but it will forever annoy me to no end that I wont have the privilege to correct or put Wii U in neutral light whereas those who own other consoles wont have such hurdles available to them.
Confirmation would put a stop to those who say the system is far weaker than it should be.japtor said:
I have been thinking a lot about Nintendo's E3 showing and it almost seems like they went out of there way to make the Wii U seem as unimpressive as possible. If this was the case, could there be any good reason for it? Would waiting until closer to launch to show something impressive help them out more than showing something at E3?
The only conclusion that I have come up with is that they are going to try and build and ENORMOUS amount of hype right for launch. I am starting to think this was the safer move and kind of reminds me of an Apple play. Why show something at E3 and let all the internet nitpick, argue, etc over a few videos and screen shots (I'm looking at you Bird Demo) when you can show off some of what the hardware can really do right before launch, creating a frothy bubble of hype to whip everybody into a buying frenzy.
The only conclusion that I have come up with is that they are going to try and build and ENORMOUS amount of hype right for launch. I am starting to think this was the safer move and kind of reminds me of an Apple play. Why show something at E3 and let all the internet nitpick, argue, etc over a few videos and screen shots (I'm looking at you Bird Demo) when you can show off some of what the hardware can really do right before launch, creating a frothy bubble of hype to whip everybody into a buying frenzy.
Wishful thinking.
I have been thinking a lot about Nintendo's E3 showing and it almost seems like they went out of there way to make the Wii U seem as unimpressive as possible. If this was the case, could there be any good reason for it? Would waiting until closer to launch to show something impressive help them out more than showing something at E3?
The only conclusion that I have come up with is that they are going to try and build and ENORMOUS amount of hype right for launch. I am starting to think this was the safer move and kind of reminds me of an Apple play. Why show something at E3 and let all the internet nitpick, argue, etc over a few videos and screen shots (I'm looking at you Bird Demo) when you can show off some of what the hardware can really do right before launch, creating a frothy bubble of hype to whip everybody into a buying frenzy.
Wishful thinking.
to be fair they kinda did this last year with skyward sword. not that it worked with the general public, but among the enthusiast community, hype went from zero to a million with just a month or so before launch.
They also did this with pretty much every software reveal in recent years. But this is a new console we are talking about.
My best bet: They are saving the cards for the next E3 to have something against Sony and MS.
Also wishful thinking.. kinda
JordanN
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It could emulate it through software.
StreetsAhead
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I have been thinking a lot about Nintendo's E3 showing and it almost seems like they went out of there way to make the Wii U seem as unimpressive as possible. If this was the case, could there be any good reason for it? Would waiting until closer to launch to show something impressive help them out more than showing something at E3?
The only conclusion that I have come up with is that they are going to try and build and ENORMOUS amount of hype right for launch. I am starting to think this was the safer move and kind of reminds me of an Apple play. Why show something at E3 and let all the internet nitpick, argue, etc over a few videos and screen shots (I'm looking at you Bird Demo) when you can show off some of what the hardware can really do right before launch, creating a frothy bubble of hype to whip everybody into a buying frenzy.
Wishful thinking.
Well, put it this way, they're going to show their 2013FY titles in September (or, some of them) and Sept-Nov is a lot easier to maintain hope than June-Nov
Ah, OK. Thanks!
GameplayWhore
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From way back in the distant past:
* Historian's note: "DRC" was the development name for the Wii U GamePad
Not really, cause no matter the power the big issue is that there's nothing to show for it. It could have a 2Tflop GPU and 8GB RAM but if the graphical showcase is NintendoLand talking about specs won't do any good.
(and I'm guessing there'll be hurdles for others with diminishing returns, like some people not being impressed by this or that tech demo from E3)
JordanN
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So? Those can come later.
bgassassin
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The bold is a very plausible scenario. They probably didn't get the kits in time to try much, if anything, before E3 and at the same time certain changes may have affected what they could have tried in that time frame.
And if it has a GPGPU, then it's going to be even harder for launch games to take advantage of that. We probably won't see anything truly using it for a year or so.
So off the tech topic, what could/is Nintendo doing to entice third-party developers. I seem to remember them talking a big game about incentives and whatnot, but did we ever hear what those are? For example, could Nintendo offer bonuses to devs if the best selling version of a multi-platform game was the Wii U version? It seems like this could potentially keep the devs from phoning in Wii U versions and hopefully prevent a Wii scenario. Just a thought.
StreetsAhead
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Fair enough. What type of changes would affect what they could try? More compiler breaks?
Also, and this is pure ignorance on my part, but when you get a new devkit, do you have to 'port' the game to the new kit? Does it depend on how different the kits are? For example, the shift from a 'best performance match' kit to a final silicon chip?
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Some diagram images from that TV-delay patent:
As you can see, they will prompt the player to hold the Gamepad up and with the camera facing the TV set in order to read teh test image. This will probably be done in the same settings area the sensor bar is calibrated.
At first I thought this was a minor issue, but then I thought of uses where the game view spans across the two screens, such as the find and shoot the miis demo from last year. Also, in Miiverse when you swap the screens and the Miis all run down from the tv to the gamepad, you don't want to see miis show up ahead of time on the gamepad.
As you can see, they will prompt the player to hold the Gamepad up and with the camera facing the TV set in order to read teh test image. This will probably be done in the same settings area the sensor bar is calibrated.
At first I thought this was a minor issue, but then I thought of uses where the game view spans across the two screens, such as the find and shoot the miis demo from last year. Also, in Miiverse when you swap the screens and the Miis all run down from the tv to the gamepad, you don't want to see miis show up ahead of time on the gamepad.
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