MrCunningham
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Could someone run this same test on the Xbox 360 or PS3 CPU and put up a side by side comparison to the Wii-U results? That would be interesting to see.
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Wii U CPU Benchmarks (highly unscientific)
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Could someone run this same test on the Xbox 360 or PS3 CPU and put up a side by side comparison to the Wii-U results? That would be interesting to see.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
How is this "severely underpowered?" Compared to what? We don't even know the data on 360/PS3 let alone the Nextbox/PS4.
Core 2 Duo T7200 is ancient. Ivy bridge is nearly 5x faster (which was mostly a die shrink...Haswell may jump to 8x faster than the Core2).
TouchMyBox
Member
Also, there is some controversy surrounding that graph. Tegra 3 was running on more up-to-date software than the Core 2 Duo.
It's still impressive, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Tongue-in-cheek post. Is a prime example of how the market has been misled about the power of ARM CPU's.
The test was crocked by Nvidia who was using unoptimized code for the Intel's CPU
I was exaggerating. Still, it is an order of magnitude faster. And it better be, as it also consumes an order of magnitude more power.
UltimateIke
Member
The T7200 is what I had in my college laptop. I feel nostalgic seeing it used for a benchmark. Haha.
I actually still used it a lot up until about 10 months ago.
I actually still used it a lot up until about 10 months ago.
superchunk
Member
Sooooo.....
What would you derive from this in terms of the CPU in relation to PS360's CPU?
I'm thinking for CPUs only... 3DS<Wii<Vita<360<PS3<WiiU right?
(no real significance to real value of < symbol, just 'greater than')
What would you derive from this in terms of the CPU in relation to PS360's CPU?
I'm thinking for CPUs only... 3DS<Wii<Vita<360<PS3<WiiU right?
(no real significance to real value of < symbol, just 'greater than')
EricDiesel
Member
He's comparing the officially released Wii U specs to the officially released next generation XBox and Playstation specs, obviously.
...Wait a minute...
chertipros
Member
I wish i could find that "The Jump to conclusions" image, but i can't find it :/
The Wii U has a more powerful GPGPU than the PS3\Xbox 360 so that doesn't prove that the Wii U CPU is much more powerful than the Vita CPU.
I'm not saying that it is true that the CPU isn't much powerful than the Vita CPU but it is something that I read.
Vita has a 4X Core CPU that's clocked between 800MHz - 2GHz
Wii U CPU is said to be 3X Core clocked around 1.6GHz
Vita is ran at the lower speed to save battery life
We will see
can't remember but I think it was someone here or on B3D & that was telling people that the Wii U cpu was weak before anything came out about the CPU being weak.
4 Cores clocked between 800MHz - 2GHz vs what might be 3X Cores clocked at 1.6GHz
I bet he just made it up.
nope I read it from someone who was telling people that the Wii U CPU was weak a while ago. I'm not saying that it's true but lately it seem that it could have a little truth to it.
I was interested in seeing how this compares to my 2008 gaming PC CPU (i7 920 @ 3.5 Ghz), these are the results:
I don't know how reliable the measurements are when they get this low, but the values were quite stable over time in the profiling run.
Code:
Wwise 2012.2 CPU Load (lower is better)
| Wii U | A6-3500 | i7-920
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Peak Limiter | 0.20% | 0.08% | 0.051%
Delay | 0.07% | 0.04% | 0.007%I don't know how reliable the measurements are when they get this low, but the values were quite stable over time in the profiling run.
I'm sure Vita's CPU is closer to 800Mhz than 2Ghz. And Mhz means little when comparing CPU's of (radical) different architectures.
AMD won over an i7? Colour me surprised.
superchunk
Member
The CPUs are still very different architectures and thus the number of cores and clock speeds don't tell the whole story. The IBM Power 7 that WiiU is based on is definitely far more powerful than the ARM Cortex-A9 the Vita has.
I could be very wrong, but I think you're oversimplifying the math.
tkscz
Member
AMD FX 8150: 8153 (Oh I see what you did there AMD). Just saying, and it's more affordable than most intel CPUs.
Also, what is this shit about the WiiU CPU being equal to the PSV's? Does everyone just believe bad news about the WiiU? Even when it's that stupid?
"Lower is better."
tkscz
Member
AMD FX 6100 has 6 cores and can be overclocked to more than 4GHz. And yet the 4 core i5 still out shines it, even at lower clock speeds. Architecture plays a bigger part than numbers.
Thanks! I'll add this to the OP.
I just realized that my delay figures are probably wrong. I need to rerun that test.
theman5141
Neo Member
This thread should be swiftly locked, before people start misconstruing things. Looks like the discussion has already devolved into a "Wii U CPU = PSVITA because Nintendo" thread.
It's rather foolish to compare a custom CPU in a console to off-the-shelf desktop parts.
It's rather foolish to compare a custom CPU in a console to off-the-shelf desktop parts.
Maybe, but comparing official figures released by a middleware provider of code optimized for the platform is probably the least silly way of estimating Wii U CPU performance we have at this point, so every other speculation thread should be locked before this one.
XtremeXpider
Member
I've found this:
http://www.audiokinetic.com/download/documents/Wwise_v2012.1_ReleaseNotes.pdf
And in some text inside:
Does it mean something?
http://www.audiokinetic.com/download/documents/Wwise_v2012.1_ReleaseNotes.pdf
And in some text inside:
Does it mean something?
soulassssns
Banned
Huh? Where did you get that idea?
Reallink
Member
I'd just like to find out whether they made it shitty to pinch pennies or to cram everything in that little 40W case. I mean there has got to be a point of diminishing returns where they're not saving any money producing a weaker chip, and this seems like it has got to be pushing those boundaries.
Zoramon089
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theman5141
Neo Member
I must admit that there is some truth to that. Truthfully, though, I only see this "method" as marginally better than the rest of the baseless speculation. Until we can get a direct comparison to xenon or cell, this is a rather moot point.
I'm pretty sure they meant 360.
If it was as fast the first Xbox, it's a step backwards from the Wii if that's even possible
Reallink
Member
So you're saying they literally duct taped 3 Gamecubes together.
I don't even know how that comparison would work as Audiokinetic dropped support for the original Xbox ages ago.
Zoramon089
Banned
I think it'd be more useful if some of the people who have inside info would tell us what version is the most recent version of the SDK. This pdf is from March and says it's at version CAFE 2.02
Cafe is on SDK 2.07.02 if i am upto date on version
The one in the OP is the most recent version. It was literally released hours ago. The March release is quite outdated - there have been several releases and tons of Wii U optimizations since.
Zoramon089
Banned
The release notes link doesn't work. Is there a similar pdf somewhere for the most recent version?
edit: Found it.
Says it's updated to Cafe 2.07 and Multi 5.2.13 (anyone know what that is?)
http://www.audiokinetic.com/en/downloads
EDIT: Cafe is the SDK itself, 2.07.02 is the latest version. MULTI is the IDE.
Zoramon089
Banned
Wtf OP...It literally gave us a comparison to the other platforms in the same place you got the Wii U info from! Why didn't you include it?!
DonMigs85
Member
No, maybe 3 overclocked Wiis if we're lucky.
Grampa Simpson
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The 476FP (which is assumed by many to be the processor core used in this) is supposedly a direct descendant of the Broadway, but is not a Broadway. It's meant to run at a low clock speed (1.6-2ghz) and is meant to be combined with a bus in a multicore configuration.
Here's IBM's page on it:
https://www-01.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/products/PowerPC_476FP_Embedded_Core
I suggest you do some reading and come to your own conclusions.
It is related to the Broadway, but in no way just a clock-improved version of it.
Because it tells us nothing. Read the quote again. Several times if necessary.
2 overclocked wii's and an underclocked half game watch
Wii U lead platform of the eternity confirmed.
On a serious note, this would put the Wii U near the rumoured 3x Xbox 360, right? If you add RAM and GPU, it might be even better.
Zoramon089
Banned
Says it takes 1.1x to 2.8x for all other platforms. We know this thing is supported on the PS3, 360, Vita and PC. Ignoring PC since that's highly dependent on the hardware and probably isn't considered, at a minimum the same load on the other systems uses .22% of their CPU
That's just telling us how much they have managed to speed up the other platforms. Not their actual load on the CPU like the Wii U info includes.
Zoramon089
Banned
Wait, so it's saying the improvements to the other platforms are 1.1x to 2.8x not that that figure are x times larger on them? Ok...I understand now...was a bit strangely stated but I might have just misread it