Pretty sure most gamers aren't high end tech enthusiasts.
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Wii U has 2GB of DDR3 RAM, [Up: RAM 43% slower than 360/PS3 RAM]
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Pretty sure most gamers aren't high end tech enthusiasts.
No because Nintendo.
In the past, sure. But come on. If it were packing dual Keplers, it'd be just like PC. They could do a nasty port and through brute force of the hardware, still make it look vastly superior to the HD Twins. In today's climate, developers want as many viable platforms as they can get (assuming its human resource demands don't outstrip its sales potential).
None is doubting that Orbis/Durango are going to be more powerful than the Wii U. What "we" are disputing are the following points:
- There's no significant difference between 360, Ps3 and Wii U.
- The difference between Wii U and Orbis/Durango is akin to the one between Wii and 360 (or Ps3).
fluffydelusions
Member
No it will be like Wii vs 360/PS3 all over again. If anything WiiU will get worse looking ports
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Let's not forget that the gamepad added a substantial amount to the cost of the Wii U. Remove that from the equation, replace it with more ram, better gpu, and CPU and cut out the R&D cost for the pad and an extra year to reduce costs and now you have as PS720 that is in the $400 range.
So far none. I'll put it in the range of slightly better or slightly worse.
If the WiiU is the Wii all over again, I'm a very happy camper.
lostinblue
Banned
Weeks ago Shinen had this to say:
Better RAM would be better, YES, but people forget how full of bottlenecks and latency current generation consoles were. This is a different beast, albeit low end compared to PS4/X720.
Being speedy amounts to nothing if your data has to wait cycles to be processed anyway, has to seldon help out the framebuffer or gets lost along the way and has to be re-sent (cache miss was very real on both X360 and PS3).
Better RAM would be better, YES, but people forget how full of bottlenecks and latency current generation consoles were. This is a different beast, albeit low end compared to PS4/X720.
Being speedy amounts to nothing if your data has to wait cycles to be processed anyway, has to seldon help out the framebuffer or gets lost along the way and has to be re-sent (cache miss was very real on both X360 and PS3).
you're setting yourself for a disappointment.
Don't make your standards that high. Nintendo is just entering this gen. (Graphics wise).
OldJadedGamer
Banned
All of Nintendo's Zelda tech demos have been surpassed by the actual game releases. I dont see why this would suddenly stop now
Baconsammy
Banned
Definitely not, but I never expected it to. My first impressions with it today is that it barely holds up to the PS3 and 360 (in terms of experience, UI, games). Games will obviously improve, but the UI needs an incredible amount of work. So slow.
I still have mineYou could upgrade Saturn ram too
They can't be assed to do a great job with launch titles (which is how you get the ball rolling), they will care less when orbis and Durango arrive. If you truly have interest in future 3rd party titles, you'll do we'll to own a pc or one of the aforementioned next-gen twins.
Yeah, they aren't gonna do that. People are gonna build on PC and then port from there. I don't see devs spending extra money to get one port up.
Problem with consoles today is not related to power, it's the other device disruption. You can't fix that for just "adding" more power.
Sure, but why make the rest of the RAM so slow. Madness.
Yep. Since 720/PS4 will be comparable to PC development, it's the most likely scenario, barring exclusives.
I think you are vastly underestimating the ability of Nintendo's programmers.
You underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance. If you try to keep up this debate prepare for a very long road ahead.
My suggestion to people on BOTH sides is just accept the Wii-U for what it is and move on depending on your tastes. Nintendo is their own bubble at this point and so far they are doing just fine.
Ken Masters
Banned
that's the thing, besides Nintendo who is going to do that? 3rd party devs are going to use their resources for ps4/720
Baconsammy
Banned
RAM issues aside, but what's killing my gaming boner right now are the placement of the sticks. Specifically the right stick being above the buttons. I'll never buy cross-plats for this unless the port is leaps and bounds beyond the others. I just don't like this placement.
Are they different from the ones that designed this god-awful slow UI?
Are they different from the ones that designed this god-awful slow UI?
lostinblue
Banned
DDR3 was likely, yes.wow. Talk about backfiring in your face
But being speculation threads people always hope for the next big thing or something special seeing Nintendo has the track record of being inventive when it comes to RAM. What kind of invention could be at place at this time though, nobody knew.
Still, in a real world scenario, thing is... no one has complained about the RAM being slow, it's probably well engineered around it.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Depends on the specs of next gen machines no amount of tricks can help for certain things .
But i guess that comes down to what you call "similar "
The top 3 of my top 5 favorite games this gen are Wii games. And I suspect Xenoblade will take up one space too when I finish it. Overall it was a fantastic and memorable system for me. I love that little white box.
The thing is, if I objectively look at how the flow of game releases happened on the Wii, I would have to agree that with the droughts and sudden waves of quality software, it was handled very poorly. Personally though, none of this actually affected me seeing as I was still recently buying big releases like Fatal Frame 2, and I still have like 10 titles I need to get on top of my collection of 30+ Wii games.
40 games for one system is HUGE for me. PS3 isnt that far behind too.
This gen was pretty good for me
Yes?
Different programmers have different specialties after all. The slowness of the UI looks quite irritating though. Definitely reeks of unoptimized code somewhere.
I do. Because I havent seen any of their work that impressed me or make me want to buy its system.
im still waiting though.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Uh... I don't really keep track of wiiu, but I thought from the few topics on the first page that it's out already? People still don't know what's under the hood?
I think the way they integrated the tablet controller is an idea that is a generation too early. In next gen I feel that we will see a revolution in regards to parallel processing and physics. Nintendo should have aimed for that with the WiiU. Then they could have focused on a tablet controller in the gen after. The WiiU should have been good parallel processing focused hardware and an improved Wiimote.
cyberheater
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I would not buy this console expecting multiplatform games to be great. Sorry to say.
And I think once the new HD twins arrive. Third party support will wain.
How long have you used it for? Maybe you just need to get used to it, I mean, you've had plenty of time to adapt to the other 2.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Yeah right, those 70 million PS3s sold cleary showed that there is no market for a console with a high price point at launch... I don't think they will be 600 dollars, but it will certainly be more expensive than Wii U (I guess 399 and 499 models). The gamepad hurts the Wii U price probably a lot. It's sad if you think about how powerful the Wii U could have been without it. DDR3 RAM isn't really expensive. Another problem is probably Nintendo's craziness for small form factors.
Was this scenario ever in doubt?
I mean seriously. Even it's name clearly states it's a 'sequel' to the Wii.
Nintendo has a 'format philosophy' that worked gangbusters for them this generation and they are sticking to it.