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[Richie]

I have no idea how they think having a pricing at 100% retail price being a good idea for digital download.

It is from the company's POV, who doesn't want to get on the bad side of retailers.
Less than beneficial for us customers, though.

 

[entremet]

Why does it have to be the only reason? Me personally, I don't sell anything anymore. I sold a game once, and then had a craving for it after I sold it. After that, I never got rid of anything ever again. That said, I still like the concept of something having tangible value that I at least have the option of selling. There could be any number of reasons to sell. You could realize you made a mistake and want to get something back for it. You could realize well after that you no longer need or want that game and decide to get rid of it to reinvest into something else. You could be down on your luck and need some cash to get you buy which means you could sell it to help you get by. In a more morbid scenario, I like knowing that if I pass away, my loved ones will be either able to play them without issue or sell them to get rid of it. They're an object that doesn't disappear with me. I've personally have amassed a large collection/library of games that I plan on passing on to my kids. I have games that are actually worth more money than I paid for them. I also like loaning my games to my brother and I like borrowing stuff from him as well. The bottom line is, why should one completely give up their rights to do so?

What about also being able to play digital games on better hardware? That's the great thing about the Vita for example, if you went digital with the PSP, you can play a lot of games on Vita with that amazing screen. Not so if you stuck with UMDs, moreso optical drives are added fragility for portables.

 

[Marty Chinn]

What about also being able to play digital games on better hardware? That's the great thing about the Vita for example, if you went digital with the PSP, you can play a lot of games on Vita with that amazing screen. Not so if you stuck with UMDs, moreso optical drives are added fragility for portables.

This isn't a guarantee though. Who knows if the next system will be backward compatible or even if there will be a next system. I don't bank on something that may never happen. Just look at all the rumors about the next gen Xbox and PS likely not being able to play your digital content. Even then, I find as much as I have a huge catalog, I tend to play newer stuff and will either get a remake on the new system that has been enhanced over any digital version, or in some cases you get them for free on like PSN, or even in the worst case scenario of if there's something I really want to play, I can double dip and the cost that it is currently is by far less than what it used to be so between the savings bought at retail and the now lower cost because it's a generation of systems old, it still ends up being cheaper than had I just bought digital to begin with.

 

[Double D]

Purchases being tied to the console pretty much guarantee I'll purchase everything at retail.

Yep. I'd love to go digital. But I want to be the one to own the game, not the console itself.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Are you trying to play down the fact that people drive? That it's a common mode of transportation that hundreds of millions do every day in North America alone? It's funny how you suddenly play up the cost over convenience when it comes to a car though. Cars are way more convenient than public transportation in most places. I'm using gas that I would use anyway since I travel daily. I'm going to stores that I normally go to in order to buy other things or are close by the places I'm going to be anyway. There's a huge difference between having a choice in savings compared the the very necessity of driving which also offers you convenience as well.

You're being silly again.
Gas, for most people, determine what they spend their money on and where they go. It also determines how often they go some place and how far they are willing to drive. Gas manipulates the economy. If gas prices are high, people tend to attempt to save gas. If that means driving less to a retail store to buy a game, so be it.

The Bay Area isn't jammed in every nook and cranny either. If things are pretty spaced out but with a car, it's easy to get to places pretty quick. I understand why it takes you two hours to get to Toys R Us though now since you don't drive. How inconvenient.

You're using your life to dictate how others should live there's. That's not very fair.

Not hard to deal with if you teach your kids and protect your goods by keeping them out of reach.

Again, you parent your own children. Some people just don't want to take the time or some children are just plain hard-headed.

What? Do you live in a tiny apartment? 40 to 50 games isn't a lot of games and is easy to organize and store. A cluttered mess seems quite the exageration. You could get a tiny shelf that would keep them neat and organized. I'm dealing with games in the thousands and it's not even a cluttered mess.

Sorry, I don't live in a mansion like you do.

This is a dumb point. I tend to keep my ID near my money as do most people.. If the money is out to pay, the ID is available.

I know plenty of people who DON'T. Especially those who are very fluent in the Bill of Rights.

You don't need to pre-order. This is a dumb point too.

You can pre-order a game. Just because you see no point to it doesn't mean others should just stop.

New York and CA doesn't make up all of the US. Amazon does not have tax in most states, Prime is ALWAYS available on games sold by Amazon, and any game over $25 qualifies for free shipping even without Prime. You seem like you don't use Amazon very much if you don't know these things. Find me a game sold by Amazon that isn't eligible for Prime.

This isn't true.

 

[Like the hat?]

meant to post a new thread. new news and all that.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You're being silly again.
Gas, for most people, determine what they spend their money on and where they go. It also determines how often they go some place and how far they are willing to drive. Gas manipulates the economy. If gas prices are high, people tend to attempt to save gas. If that means driving less to a retail store to buy a game, so be it.

What's silly? If I'm going to be in the area or at the specific store any way, I'm not going out of my way to get it. I don't live in my house and never leave. I have to go out for various reasons and since things are within a reasonable range and in plentiful locations, it's not a stretch for me to be able to access them. For example, I go to Target at least once every two weeks and more likely once a week for usual food and supplies that I'll need. That Target is in the same plaza as a Best Buy and Toys R Us. If I'm going there already, where am I going out of my way? Plus if you're going to harp on gas being such an issue to being able to afford, you probably either shouldn't be buying games, or you should actually be paying for them at cheaper rates found in stores rather than what the digital release costs.

You're using your life to dictate how others should live there's. That's not very fair.

What's not fair? He was trying to say where I lived was jam packed with retailers when it's not and then he was using a 2 hour figure to tell us how long it takes to get to Toys R Us.

Again, you parent your own children. Some people just don't want to take the time or some children are just plain hard-headed.

So then the blame is on them if they don't want to parent their kids or take the actions needed to protect their items.

Sorry, I don't live in a mansion like you do.

Mansion? WTF? 40 games takes up lie an 7" by 30" spot. That's not a lot of space at all even for a single bedroom apartment.

I know plenty of people who DON'T. Especially those who are very fluent in the Bill of Rights.

What?

You can pre-order a game. Just because you see no point to it doesn't mean others should just stop.

It's a silly excuse or point to make though. Pre-ordering is pointless so using it as an example to defend digital releases is a non point.

This isn't true.

And yet you couldn't find me one example.

 

[muu]

I probably will going forward for Nintendo games and CoD. Other third party titles will need to address depreciation issues if they don't want me to wait till they're $10.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

What's silly? If I'm going to be in the area or at the specific store any way, I'm not going out of my way to get it. I don't live in my house and never leave. I have to go out for various reasons and since things are within a reasonable range and in plentiful locations, it's not a stretch for me to be able to access them. For example, I go to Target at least once every two weeks and more likely once a week for usual food and supplies that I'll need. That Target is in the same plaza as a Best Buy and Toys R Us. If I'm going there already, where am I going out of my way? Plus if you're going to harp on gas being such an issue to being able to afford, you probably either shouldn't be buying games, or you should actually be paying for them at cheaper rates found in stores rather than what the digital release costs.

Takes over $60 dollars to fill my tank. That's essentially the price of one game. If I don't have a lot of money in hand, I'd choose gas over a game. Simple as that.

What's not fair? He was trying to say where I lived was jam packed with retailers when it's not and then he was using a 2 hour figure to tell us how long it takes to get to Toys R Us.

He was telling you how long it takes him to travel to a retail store.

So then the blame is on them if they don't want to parent their kids or take the actions needed to protect their items.

You still don't get it.

Mansion? WTF? 40 games takes up lie an 7" by 30" spot. That's not a lot of space at all even for a single bedroom apartment.

Games still take up space. A lot of space. Don't pretend they don't.

What?

Exactly.

It's a silly excuse or point to make though. Pre-ordering is pointless so using it as an example to defend digital releases is a non point.

In your opinion.

And yet you couldn't find me one example.

Because it was so ridiculous it didn't need one.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Retail.

There's just too many downsides to buying games digitally at the moment. First, you still got an uncertain account future (and everything points towards a 3DS situation). Secondly, the games are still 5%-10% more expensive than in retail. These big negatives kinda cancels out the big upside (which isn't speed of getting games, as it takes hours to download them) of being able to switch between games without having to touch the console (which I can image is really nice if you're playing on the Wii U gamepad in another room.

Though I'm going digital of course with digital-only games.
Hopefully, I'll manage to get at least one £5-coupon back before the Premium deal ends

 

[RagnarokX]

Retail.

There's just too many downsides to buying games digitally at the moment. First, you still got an uncertain account future (and everything points towards a 3DS situation). Secondly, the games are still 5%-10% more expensive than in retail. These big negatives kinda cancels out the big upside (which isn't speed of getting games, as it takes hours to download them) of being able to switch between games without having to touch the console (which I can image is really nice if you're playing on the Wii U gamepad in another room.

Though I'm going digital of course with digital-only games.
Hopefully, I'll manage to get at least one £5-coupon back before the Premium deal ends

3DS doesn't have accounts...

Plus, depending on where you live, you don't pay tax on eShop games and you get 10% back.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

3DS doesn't have accounts...

Plus, depending on where you live, you don't pay tax on eShop games and you get 10% back.

I'm guessing that even in a state/country where you don't pay tax, and get 10% off the price (or back, in a way), you're still going to be paying more than retail.

 

[Effect]

Is the 10% back off the total price with tax or just the price of the game?

 

[Eusis]

I'm guessing that even in a state/country where you don't pay tax, and get 10% off the price (or back, in a way), you're still going to be paying more than retail.

I think that depends on when you buy,a t least in the USA (and Canada I assume). It can be hard to find a decent retail deal, so you hack off taxes, and you hack off the $5/6 you'd get back from Nintendo, and it's significantly cheaper. But obviously you give up resell rights, so I think this works best with games you don't really want to part with, especially if the packaging's crap anyway. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is a strong example of a game I may prefer digitally over physically, while ZombiU not necessarily.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

No hard rule, will handle this on a case-by-case basis.

 

[Currygan]

going digital doesn't have any advantages over retail to me. Cheaper, resellable games are not even comparable to digital ones...I can bear the hassle of inserting a little cart or disc

 

[Marty Chinn]

Takes over $60 dollars to fill my tank. That's essentially the price of one game. If I don't have a lot of money in hand, I'd choose gas over a game. Simple as that.

This is a ridiculous point. You don't spend $60 in gas to go to a local store. Let's do some math here. At an average of $3.50 a gallon with a range of 20 to 30 mpg, even in the worse case scenario of using a gallon of gas because the distance to a store is 10 to 15 miles away, that's just barely over 5%. You can get 5% back alone from Target on every purchase. You're going to be saving at retail significantly over digital when you're saving 20 to 75% off retail. No matter how you slice it, even factoring in gas, retail is still cheaper than digital. Plus again, if you're so tight on cash that paying for gas is an issue, you either shouldn't be buying games at all, or you should be buying them cheaper at retail.

He was telling you how long it takes him to travel to a retail store.

And he was also judging the place I live by commenting on places being jam packed. You can't say not bring in personal experience to reflect on the argument for one person but then say it's ok for the other.

You still don't get it.

Get what? That being responsible shouldn't be something says one form is better than the other? Unless you're saying digital is good for unresponsible people.

Games still take up space. A lot of space. Don't pretend they don't.

No they don't. Not even at 40 to 50 games like you quoted. It's not even a shelf on a bookcase. 7" by 30" is not a lot of space at all. You don't need to live in a mansion to be able to store that. If you want to talk about hundreds and hundreds of games taking up space, sure, but not a 7" by 30" area. Go measure it out. Unless you live in a closet, it's not a lot of space.

Exactly.

Your comment makes no sense. The Bill of Rights? What the heck does that have to do with where most people store their ID? Most people store it with their credit cards and money which means if you're paying for it, it's already open and accessible and not left in your car.

In your opinion.

Not in my opinion but a fact. There is no need to preorder despite it existing and despite people doing it. Games are widely available on release, so there's no need to preorder. It's a grasping for straws to point out.

Because it was so ridiculous it didn't need one.

The real reason is you made a bogus point that was untrue and now you can't find one. You made the point to begin with and now you can't back it up. Multiple times you could have but you make such statements to try to back out of it. So you admit you're wrong on this. Thanks for showing you were wrong.

 

[goldenpp72]

Until I am forced to go digital, or given the option to resell/100 percent own my content, I will not go exclusively digital. Especially when Nintendo's system is awful for it, it makes me nervous to even download Eshop exclusive games not knowing if I'll ever be able to move my own content around.

 

[Fahrenheit]

When Nintendo gets it together with the DRM and transferring content licenses I'll buy digital things from them.

 

[Unregistered007]

- Dam if Wii U had the best ver of Multi platform titles I would have just taken this baby to work and played.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

This is a ridiculous point. You don't spend $60 in gas to go to a local store. Let's do some math here. At an average of $3.50 a gallon with a range of 20 to 30 mpg, even in the worse case scenario of using a gallon of gas because the distance to a store is 10 to 15 miles away, that's just barely over 5%. You can get 5% back alone from Target on every purchase. You're going to be saving at retail significantly over digital when you're saving 20 to 75% off retail. No matter how you slice it, even factoring in gas, retail is still cheaper than digital. Plus again, if you're so tight on cash that paying for gas is an issue, you either shouldn't be buying games at all, or you should be buying them cheaper at retail.

I'm talking about money, not distance. Gas > Video Games. If all I have is (lets say) $100 bucks until payday. I'm using it for gas and food. Gas takes priority. If I know I am wasting gas to visit the store for a game I could save simply by staying home, I'd do that. Easy. Not only will I be able to save money for a game, but I can drive to other places. It's the best of the both worlds.

And he was also judging the place I live by commenting on places being jam packed. You can't say not bring in personal experience to reflect on the argument for one person but then say it's ok for the other.

Alright.

Get what? That being responsible shouldn't be something says one form is better than the other? Unless you're saying digital is good for unresponsible people.

I assume you have 3 children, yes?

No they don't. Not even at 40 to 50 games like you quoted. It's not even a shelf on a bookcase. 7" by 30" is not a lot of space at all. You don't need to live in a mansion to be able to store that. If you want to talk about hundreds and hundreds of games taking up space, sure, but not a 7" by 30" area. Go measure it out. Unless you live in a closet, it's not a lot of space.

I obviously don't live in an empty space. Other object consume space and I'm obviously not going to store my games just anywhere. However, the location in which I store them isn't just some small corner of my house. Please understand this. If you still don't understand, play Animal Crossing. It's a simple game that gives a better picture on the dilemma I face.

Your comment makes no sense. The Bill of Rights? What the heck does that have to do with where most people store their ID? Most people store it with their credit cards and money which means if you're paying for it, it's already open and accessible and not left in your car.

Well, if you lived in the United States, then you would know what I'm talking about. Those who know their rights know that if they're pulled over by the police, they must hand over their driver's license. However, when walking outside of your car or within a store, you DO NOT have to provide ID to anybody (even the police). That's an American civil right to not be identified. There are a lot of people who will refuse to be ID'ed. Some stores require for one to provide ID when buying M rated games. People who don't like to be ID'ed (most black people I know due to obvious racial reasons) hate that. Understand?

Not in my opinion but a fact. There is no need to preorder despite it existing and despite people doing it. Games are widely available on release, so there's no need to preorder. It's a grasping for straws to point out.

Stating opinions as facts, are we?

The real reason is you made a bogus point that was untrue and now you can't find one. You made the point to begin with and now you can't back it up. Multiple times you could have but you make such statements to try to back out of it. So you admit you're wrong on this. Thanks for showing you were wrong.

No. Because what you said was so silly that it didn't need an educated response. Like, I don't need to argue that the sun is hot and that ice is cold, or even that water is wet. Yet, with you, I do. It's silly.

 

[PetrCobra]

Having a digital copy with retail purchase could be easy if all games allowed complete installation. Not going to happen and full digital is only worth it for me when the digital games are cheaper than retail or at least not tied to the hardware (this move is very stupid and I think Nintendo will be wondering why the digital sales are not higher).

On my PC, I moved completely to Steam + GOG and I don't think I'll ever look back, on Wii U I'll probably own two or three games that are never going to be available in retail like I do on the Wii.

 

[djyella]

Well, I'm puzzled by my local game stores selection sometimes. In these cases I will be going digital...unless I can get a great deal on Amazon...

 

[Marty Chinn]

I'm talking about money, not distance. Gas > Video Games. If all I have is (lets say) $100 bucks until payday. I'm using it for gas and food. Gas takes priority. If I know I am wasting gas to visit the store for a game I could save simply by staying home, I'd do that. Easy. Not only will I be able to save money for a game, but I can drive to other places. It's the best of the both worlds.

You can't factor in money until you figure out the distance. What you don't understand is the cost of the gas it takes for you to drive and buy a game at a store even if you're going for the sole purpose of buying the game and nothing else is still cheaper than buying it digitally. Let me do some math for you since you don't seem to understand. That's not even factoring stores being on the way or you already having a reason to be at the store so the gas would have been consumed anyway.

Let's say the distance to a store is 10 miles. A round trip is 20 miles. Assuming a low point of 20 miles to the gallon, the gas to go out and get the game and back will cost you $3.30. Now if a game is on sale for $45, 25% off MSRP, the cost to get the game including gas is $48.30. Now the cost to buy it digitally is $60. Even factoring in the cost of gas, it's still cheaper to buy it at a store.

You do not save money buying it digitally over retail. Clearly you don't know how to manage your funds.

I assume you have 3 children, yes?

I have one, I grew up with three, my extended family has two to three nieces and nephews per family which sometimes are all at the same location and never been an issue at my place or their place because we handle the situation. You can prevent this.

I obviously don't live in an empty space. Other object consume space and I'm obviously not going to store my games just anywhere. However, the location in which I store them isn't just some small corner of my house. Please understand this. If you still don't understand, play Animal Crossing. It's a simple game that gives a better picture on the dilemma I face.

No matter how you slice it, the space for 40 games is a small amount of space. I've given you the dimensions and there are a number of ways to make it work from drawers, to shelves, to other containers. It does not consume a lot of space even for a single bedroom small apartment. I've lived in a tiny bedroom and storing that many games is not an issue. If you were arguing way more in quantity sure, but not 40. Anyone will tell you that 7" by 30" isn't very big and easy to find place for.

Well, if you lived in the United States, then you would know what I'm talking about. Those who know their rights know that if they're pulled over by the police, they must hand over their driver's license. However, when walking outside of your car or within a store, you DO NOT have to provide ID to anybody (even the police). That's an American civil right to not be identified. There are a lot of people who will refuse to be ID'ed. Some stores require for one to provide ID when buying M rated games. People who don't like to be ID'ed (most black people I know due to obvious racial reasons) hate that. Understand?

I do live in the United States and I know about the Bill of Rights. I just don't know where you were going with this argument until this post because you were not clear in conveying your message. You just threw out Bill of Rights without any context. In fact given the context it still doesn't make any sense.

How do you go from having your ID next to your money, which most people do carry together since most people go out of their home with money and their ID, to jumping straight to the right of having to show your ID? You never said that. You were just disputing about money and ID being stored at the same location which is true for most people.

In fact going back even further you were trying to make the point of simply leaving your ID in your car while you were out paying for a game which was the original statement I was replying to. Since most people carry their ID and money together, it's very unlikely that one brought their money into the store to buy but forgot their ID. Somehow you went from leaving the ID in the car, to disputing that people keep their ID and money together and somehow jumped straight to the Bill of Rights. You don't even remember what you're replying to anymore.

Stating opinions as facts, are we?

It is a fact. I've been in the game industry for almost two decades, did retail gaming for awhile, did game press, and now development and I can tell you based on carefully watching the industry, watching different stores, being a very savvy shopper, and owning a ton of games and I can tell you that preordering is unnecessary. It's more for the retail store's benefit than the consumer. The only type of games that may need preordering are games that won't be available digitally anyway such as limited editions and collector's editions. So yes, I'm stating it as a fact based on everything I know about the industry, about shopping, and my experience.

No. Because what you said was so silly that it didn't need an educated response. Like, I don't need to argue that the sun is hot and that ice is cold, or even that water is wet. Yet, with you, I do. It's silly.

Clearly you don't even remember what you post anymore based on your replies. You stated not every game is Prime eligible. I said that's not true, show me one. You can't do it. You made not only a bold claim, but a stupid one that isn't true and you can't even find one example for. If what you say is true, you can find one. Every game sold by Amazon is Prime eligible. Always has been. You're wrong; plain and simple.

 

[1-D_FTW]

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Not even sure you should have wasted you time on that, Marty. The Bill of Rights?

And if somebody is that short on cash, WTF are they doing buying digitally on consoles. If money is that tight, buy on sale at release and then RESELL when you're finished. Talking about pissing money down the toilet if money is that precious. You know how much gas could be bought with that? A lot of gas. And some food too. You'd have enough gas to go to the supermarket for food a bunch of times.

 

[Rich!]

I was going to be going digital in the future...but now that I've found out that we can only purchase 18+ rated games during the hours of 11pm to 3am with them being blocked on the eshop by Nintendo outside of those hours....

That possibility is now a definite hell no.

Also, money. I'm short on cash right now so my policy is this:

1. Buy a game retail (currently £40).

2. Finish it.

3. Trade it in to CEX for cash to buy a new one (around £34 right now for Wii U games)

 

[radioheadrule83]

I was going to be going digital in the future...but now that I've found out that we can only purchase 18+ rated games during the hours of 11pm to 3am with them being blocked on the eshop by Nintendo outside of those hours....

The game will still download outside of these hours btw, you just can't access the shop pages during those hours. If you started a download at 11pm, shut off your console for the night and returned in the morning, it would still download -- it would still background download while you played games if you wanted... and of course, you can use the auto power off after downloads complete function to let it get it through the night. I think it's daft personally, I'd rather they set up a ghost company in the UK or something with responsibility for the shop.

 

[Effect]

The hours are still crazy. Some people would never have a chance depending on their sleep patterns and working schedule. Nintendo really does need to change that. Off load the European eShop to another branch. Get a waver from the Germany government. Something. How did the Wii Shop Channel and eShop not get hit by this. Nothing rated M in those?

 

[glaurung]

Considering the rotting snail-like speeds of the Nintendo network, I'd rather stab myself in the groin.

Plus I want the option to give my WiiU games away once I am done with them, not lose everything once my WiiU burns and my account is dead and gone forever. Since it is attached to the hardware and cannot be moved.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

You can't factor in money until you figure out the distance. What you don't understand is the cost of the gas it takes for you to drive and buy a game at a store even if you're going for the sole purpose of buying the game and nothing else is still cheaper than buying it digitally. Let me do some math for you since you don't seem to understand. That's not even factoring stores being on the way or you already having a reason to be at the store so the gas would have been consumed anyway.

Let's say the distance to a store is 10 miles. A round trip is 20 miles. Assuming a low point of 20 miles to the gallon, the gas to go out and get the game and back will cost you $3.30. Now if a game is on sale for $45, 25% off MSRP, the cost to get the game including gas is $48.30. Now the cost to buy it digitally is $60. Even factoring in the cost of gas, it's still cheaper to buy it at a store.


You do not save money buying it digitally over retail. Clearly you don't know how to manage your funds.

I'll give you this one. You're right.

I have one, I grew up with three, my extended family has two to three nieces and nephews per family which sometimes are all at the same location and never been an issue at my place or their place because we handle the situation. You can prevent this.

Yes, it's possible.... Will parents bother, many won't. It's still a viable option.

No matter how you slice it, the space for 40 games is a small amount of space. I've given you the dimensions and there are a number of ways to make it work from drawers, to shelves, to other containers. It does not consume a lot of space even for a single bedroom small apartment. I've lived in a tiny bedroom and storing that many games is not an issue. If you were arguing way more in quantity sure, but not 40. Anyone will tell you that 7" by 30" isn't very big and easy to find place for.

Yeah, my games aren't stored in those dimensions o_0. My games are in the same spot as my movies. Takes up a bit more space than that. Plus, I have PC games in their original boxes which take up much more space. Then, of course, you have my box of video game accessories such as controllers, arcade sticks, sensor bars (I have more than one), Wii accessories and etc. Oh, then you have my actual entertainment center which is essentially a glass shelf with a spinal column (like most modern entertainment centers). On top of that is (obviously) my TV, but it's on the spinal column, so that's a non factor when it comes to space, but below that, I've got my cable box, my PS3, my separate Bluray/DVD player (for my gf's younger brother. I can't move it anywhere else because he always moves it and he has autism and there's no telling him no [he's not my child afterall]), then you have my Wii U, my HDD for it (but I digress), underneath I have my Wii balance board, my keyboard for my PS3, my battery back up for all of those devices, a gigabit switch for those devices to connect through an ethernet cable, my $250 dollar wireless 7.1 surround sound headphones (guess that they are) and a Time Warner Cable phone modem (I've got the all-in-one bundle). All of that is one spot. The way I have it, it looks pretty organized, however, I still have a lot of games and they're hard to keep track and they take up much more space than YOU think - but, according to you, I can just put those games anywhere o_0. Do you see my problem?

I do live in the United States and I know about the Bill of Rights. I just don't know where you were going with this argument until this post because you were not clear in conveying your message. You just threw out Bill of Rights without any context. In fact given the context it still doesn't make any sense.

How do you go from having your ID next to your money, which most people do carry together since most people go out of their home with money and their ID, to jumping straight to the right of having to show your ID? You never said that. You were just disputing about money and ID being stored at the same location which is true for most people.

Sounds like you're a bit confused. Try reading it again.

In fact going back even further you were trying to make the point of simply leaving your ID in your car while you were out paying for a game which was the original statement I was replying to. Since most people carry their ID and money together, it's very unlikely that one brought their money into the store to buy but forgot their ID. Somehow you went from leaving the ID in the car, to disputing that people keep their ID and money together and somehow jumped straight to the Bill of Rights. You don't even remember what you're replying to anymore.

You seem a lot more confused than me. So, I'll say it again in very simple terms. *ahem* On the eShop, You don't need ID when buying M-rated games. Better?

It is a fact. I've been in the game industry for almost two decades, did retail gaming for awhile, did game press, and now development and I can tell you based on carefully watching the industry, watching different stores, being a very savvy shopper, and owning a ton of games and I can tell you that preordering is unnecessary. It's more for the retail store's benefit than the consumer. The only type of games that may need preordering are games that won't be available digitally anyway such as limited editions and collector's editions. So yes, I'm stating it as a fact based on everything I know about the industry, about shopping, and my experience.

That's nice. Still your opinion though.

Clearly you don't even remember what you post anymore based on your replies. You stated not every game is Prime eligible. I said that's not true, show me one. You can't do it. You made not only a bold claim, but a stupid one that isn't true and you can't even find one example for. If what you say is true, you can find one. Every game sold by Amazon is Prime eligible. Always has been. You're wrong; plain and simple.

Not eligible:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D7EYWC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I have Amazon Prime, yet I can't download this game under Amazon Prime. Now, before you go on to explain why, you did say every game. I assumed you meant every game for every platform. Want to clarify your statement?

Eligible:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006VB2UO6/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Fusebox]

If Wii U digital titles weren't $20 more on average than the retail titles I would have no probs buying from the store but as is, noooo waaaaay.

 

[Zoe]

Not eligible:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D7EYWC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I have Amazon Prime, yet I can't download this game under Amazon Prime. Now, before you go on to explain why, you did say every game. I assumed you meant every game for every platform. Want to clarify your statement?

Holy shit dude, why are you using a download as your counter point? That is not retail. We were obviously discussing physical copies.

 

[Pociask]

Uh... so yeah. I wanted to point out the retail price drops, but I see that point's already been made.

I think the real test will be in about a year, when the launch games aren't on store shelves anymore. What will happen to the digital price? Or what will they do on Black Friday?

Based on other digital storefronts run by not-Valve, I cannot see digital being a better price option than retail. Please prove me wrong Nintendo.

 

[Tuck]

I'm already unsure about digital in general due to the whole "Do I actually own this?" and "Will I still have access to this years down the line?"

It's compounded by the fact that its Nintendo and I don't trust them with a digital purchase whatsoever.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Yes, it's possible.... Will parents bother, many won't. It's still a viable option.

Like I said, this is a parent issue.

Yeah, my games aren't stored in those dimensions o_0. My games are in the same spot as my movies. Takes up a bit more space than that.

This is what we call moving the goal posts. You were saying it's tough to store 40 to 50 games and now you're saying it's tough to store more. You keep changing your argument.

Plus, I have PC games in their original boxes which take up much more space. Then, of course, you have my box of video game accessories such as controllers, arcade sticks, sensor bars (I have more than one), Wii accessories and etc. Oh, then you have my actual entertainment center which is essentially a glass shelf with a spinal column (like most modern entertainment centers). On top of that is (obviously) my TV, but it's on the spinal column, so that's a non factor when it comes to space, but below that, I've got my cable box, my PS3, my separate Bluray/DVD player (for my gf's younger brother. I can't move it anywhere else because he always moves it and he has autism and there's no telling him no [he's not my child afterall]), then you have my Wii U, my HDD for it (but I digress), underneath I have my Wii balance board, my keyboard for my PS3, my battery back up for all of those devices, a gigabit switch for those devices to connect through an ethernet cable, my $250 dollar wireless 7.1 surround sound headphones (guess that they are) and a Time Warner Cable phone modem (I've got the all-in-one bundle). All of that is one spot. The way I have it, it looks pretty organized, however, I still have a lot of games and they're hard to keep track and they take up much more space than YOU think - but, according to you, I can just put those games anywhere o_0. Do you see my problem?

Nope, I don't see your problem because almost all of that gets contained in the entertainment center. You get a shelf, and you're set. Are you saying you don't have room for a shelf because you have the entertainment center? You're telling me you don't have space for 7" by 30" anywhere in your apartment? That every single square inch of your walls is filled?

Sounds like you're a bit confused. Try reading it again.


You seem a lot more confused than me. So, I'll say it again in very simple terms. *ahem* On the eShop, You don't need ID when buying M-rated games. Better?

No, you're the one that's confused. This is the exact thing you said:

12) It's especially annoying when you leave your driver's license in the car on accident (or even on purpose) only to put the game down, run all the way back to the car, run back into the store to display your ID.

I replied with most people keep their money with their ID. You replied with:

I know plenty of people who DON'T. Especially those who are very fluent in the Bill of Rights.

Now explain to me how you go from leaving your license in your car on accident to the Bill of Rights. My only claim here is that most people keep their ID with their money because they store it on a wallet or something else and both go hand in hand. Most people don't store their ID in their car.

That's nice. Still your opinion though.

Not really. Heck, why do preorders exist for digital downloads? Because you have to preorder to guarantee you'll get your digital download on release? Just because preorders exists doesn't mean they are needed. Explain to me the use of preorders of a digital download for something that has an infinite supply.

Not eligible:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D7EYWC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I have Amazon Prime, yet I can't download this game under Amazon Prime. Now, before you go on to explain why, you did say every game. I assumed you meant every game for every platform. Want to clarify your statement?

Eligible:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006VB2UO6/?tag=neogaf0e-20

What? Why are you pointing out a digital game that doesn't get shipped as an example of something that you'd want to have shipped via Prime but it doesn't qualify? You're way off the deep end. You're grasping for straws in your arguments.

 

[Katzii]

With exception to NintendoLand (which I got a download code for cheap thanks to a generous GAF member), I'm staying retail if the option is there. It took me NINE HOURS to download NintendoLand since our connection speed isn't great. That, and I like boxes and being able to sell what I'm not satisfied with!

 

[Rich!]

The game will still download outside of these hours btw, you just can't access the shop pages during those hours. If you started a download at 11pm, shut off your console for the night and returned in the morning, it would still download -- it would still background download while you played games if you wanted... and of course, you can use the auto power off after downloads complete function to let it get it through the night. I think it's daft personally, I'd rather they set up a ghost company in the UK or something with responsibility for the shop.

Yeah, that would be fine if I didnt work. It limits me to one night a week, and im not home for that one.

 

[kkg1701]

Yeah, that would be fine if I didnt work. It limits me to one night a week, and im not home for that one.

iirc they have mentioned being able to purchase stuff from other devices (I mean having access to the eshop from other devices) so that once you're home it's already there, when or if they'll implement that. . . who knows.

 

[The Elite]

Never give up your reselling privileges.

Yup. I've already sold a few games I'm done with.

 

[plagiarize]

Yup. I've already sold a few games I'm done with.

I guess I just value being able to stay in bed and switch games more, rather then get out of bed, go downstairs and swap discs, especially at this time of year where it's cold outside of bed!

 

[The Elite]

I guess I just value being able to stay in bed and switch games more, rather then get out of bed, go downstairs and swap discs, especially at this time of year where it's cold outside of bed!

I usually take one game to bed with me. You know, that special game.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

This is what we call moving the goal posts. You were saying it's tough to store 40 to 50 games and now you're saying it's tough to store more. You keep changing your argument.

I'm making both cases here. Argument hasn't changed from that point.

Nope, I don't see your problem because almost all of that gets contained in the entertainment center. You get a shelf, and you're set. Are you saying you don't have room for a shelf because you have the entertainment center? You're telling me you don't have space for 7" by 30" anywhere in your apartment? That every single square inch of your walls is filled?

I have several disc trays for my games and movies. I think you're missing the point. I don't have unlimited room. I'm also not a junkie and would just throw my stuff anywhere. I'm going to drop this part of the argument. Lets just agree to disagree here.

No, you're the one that's confused. This is the exact thing you said:


I replied with most people keep their money with their ID. You replied with:


Now explain to me how you go from leaving your license in your car on accident to the Bill of Rights. My only claim here is that most people keep their ID with their money because they store it on a wallet or something else and both go hand in hand. Most people don't store their ID in their car.

They go hand in hand. I simplified it for you so you would understand the issue that would be avoided. You're so strung up on the "reasons why" that you're missing the point I'm making. Previously, I just went directly to the point and yet you still don't get it.
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Not really. Heck, why do preorders exist for digital downloads? Because you have to preorder to guarantee you'll get your digital download on release? Just because preorders exists doesn't mean they are needed. Explain to me the use of preorders of a digital download for something that has an infinite supply.

A small town may not carry a ton of games on release day. Without a pre-order, you risk it being sold out and inconveniencing yourself. The solution could be to wait or try another store; however, pre-orders provide convenience. That's the point.

What? Why are you pointing out a digital game that doesn't get shipped as an example of something that you'd want to have shipped via Prime but it doesn't qualify? You're way off the deep end. You're grasping for straws in your arguments.

No. I just pointed out the flaws in your statement.

 

[MrFortyFive]

While I've come to love Steam on my PC, I'm staying retail on my Nintendo consoles when possible for the foreseeable future. Nintendo's patchy (and that's putting it nicely in some cases) history with all things internet and downloads makes me very hesitant to put my game purchases entirely in their hands.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I'm making both cases here. Argument hasn't changed from that point.


I have several disc trays for my games and movies. I think you're missing the point. I don't have unlimited room. I'm also not a junkie and would just throw my stuff anywhere. I'm going to drop this part of the argument. Lets just agree to disagree here.

Making both cases changes the argument. Storing 40 to 50 games is different from storing say 500 games and movies. I'm saying storing 40 to 50 games isn't an issue. Storing 1000 games could be. They're different arguments with different results because they change the size you're arguing. I stand by 40 to 50 is not hard to store because it does not take up a lot of space. 7" x 30", 14" x 15", however you want to break it up, it's not hard at all.

They go hand in hand. I simplified it for you so you would understand the issue that would be avoided. You're so strung up on the "reasons why" that you're missing the point I'm making. Previously, I just went directly to the point and yet you still don't get it.

How do they go hand in hand? Are you saying people leave their ID at home because of the Bill of Rights? Are you saying people leave their ID in their car while out because of the Bill of Rights? What are you trying to say here? Your arguments make no sense. Why not clearly state what you're trying to argue. My main point is, it is highly unlikely to leave your ID in the car but have your money with you since most normal people keep their money and their ID together. What are you trying to argue?

No. I just pointed out the flaws in your statement.

What? The flaws were in YOUR statement. You were arguing that shipping a retail game was worse than digital because on Amazon you'd have to pay for Prime and even then not every game qualified. It is YOUR statement that is flawed, not mine. Why the heck would you point out every game can't be shipped via Prime and then use a digital download as proof of that? You really are forgetting what you're saying.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Making both cases changes the argument. Storing 40 to 50 games is different from storing say 500 games and movies. I'm saying storing 40 to 50 games isn't an issue. Storing 1000 games could be. They're different arguments with different results because they change the size you're arguing. I stand by 40 to 50 is not hard to store because it does not take up a lot of space. 7" x 30", 14" x 15", however you want to break it up, it's not hard at all.



How do they go hand in hand? Are you saying people leave their ID at home because of the Bill of Rights? Are you saying people leave their ID in their car while out because of the Bill of Rights? What are you trying to say here? Your arguments make no sense. Why not clearly state what you're trying to argue. My main point is, it is highly unlikely to leave your ID in the car but have your money with you since most normal people keep their money and their ID together. What are you trying to argue?




What? The flaws were in YOUR statement. You were arguing that shipping a retail game was worse than digital because on Amazon you'd have to pay for Prime and even then not every game qualified. It is YOUR statement that is flawed, not mine. Why the heck would you point out every game can't be shipped via Prime and then use a digital download as proof of that? You really are forgetting what you're saying.

Do you know what the Bill of Rights is?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Do you know what the Bill of Rights is?

Yes I do. Do you know how to make a statement and support that argument with evidence and detail of explanation?

Everyone else here is saying you're way out there with that point in how it relates to your original point. All of your arguments are way inaccurate or off on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with the original thing you said. Answer the question. Are you saying people leave their ID in their car because of the Bill of Rights? Are you saying people leave their ID at home because of the Bill of Rights? Are you saying people don't carry money and ID because of the Bill of Rights? What are you trying to say? Why not give a clear argument of what you're saying instead of these one line questions or quirky one sentence answers that are vague and don't explain or back up your point?

Case in point, you said digital was better since not all retail games can be shipped via Prime. Now you're trying to prove that by showing a digital release and saying I made some inaccurate statement.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Answer the question. Are you saying people leave their ID in their car because of the Bill of Rights?

No.

Are you saying people leave their ID at home because of the Bill of Rights?

No.

Are you saying people don't carry money and ID because of the Bill of Rights?

No.

What are you trying to say?

The line of questions you've asked above lets me know that you don't know what the Bill of Rights are.

So, to go into a bit more detail - we're talking about the United States Bill of Rights. Essentially, the U.S. Constitution. So, what does this have to do with video games, you ask?

Well, the 4th constitutional amendment states that you have:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

What this means in layman's terms; in regards to the topic; is that you do not have to provide ID to _anyone_. So, I know of several people who leave their IDs separate from their wallets (unlike you), because they do not wish to be identified. What their reasons are - that's their own business. The point I was trying to make to you (and I don't know how this is hard to understand) is that some people don't like to pull out ID just to buy a game. Hell, I know people who hate pulling out ID to buy liquor (and when asked, they don't buy it). Some of these people who leave their IDs in the car only do so to be identified by police when (or if) they ever get pulled over. That's it. Other wise, they do not carry ID on themselves.

I have a co-worker who is a privacy advocate. He does not carry ID on himself. He knows his constitutional rights and exercises them. Many of those who know their rights rarely want to be identified without probable cause. That's not unreasonable.

If you're still having trouble understanding, let me know.

 

[Marty Chinn]

No.


No.


No.


The line of questions you've asked above lets me know that you don't know what the Bill of Rights are.

No I quite understand the Bill of Rights and I'm trying to understand how you go from saying this:

12) It's especially annoying when you leave your driver's license in the car on accident (or even on purpose) only to put the game down, run all the way back to the car, run back into the store to display your ID.

to the Bill of Rights. You've traveled quite a bit to go from accidently leaving your ID in the car to the point of illegal search and seizure.

So, to go into a bit more detail - we're talking about the United States Bill of Rights. Essentially, the U.S. Constitution. So, what does this have to do with video games, you ask?

Well, the 4th constitutional amendment states that you have:

I now understand that you don't understand the Bill of Rights if you think showing your ID in a number of circumstances is violating the 4th Amendment. A store or business asking for your ID for proof of age is neither an illegal search nor seizure. You have the right to refuse, and they have the right to refuse to do business with you too. Neither violates any amendments.

What this means in layman's terms; in regards to the topic; is that you do not have to provide ID to _anyone_. So, I know of several people who leave their IDs separate from their wallets (unlike you), because they do not wish to be identified. What their reasons are - that's their own business. The point I was trying to make to you (and I don't know how this is hard to understand) is that some people don't like to pull out ID just to buy a game. Hell, I know people who hate pulling out ID to buy liquor (and when asked, they don't buy it). Some of these people who leave their IDs in the car only do so to be identified by police when (or if) they ever get pulled over. That's it. Other wise, they do not carry ID on themselves.

I have a co-worker who is a privacy advocate. He does not carry ID on himself. He knows his constitutional rights and exercises them. Many of those who know their rights rarely want to be identified without probable cause. That's not unreasonable.

If you're still having trouble understanding, let me know.

So for the extreme minority of paranoid users out there, this is true, but those people are likely to be paranoid about cyber hacking too and using a CC putting them on the grid. For 99.9% of the people out there, they keep their money and ID together and have no issue showing their ID when they make a CC transaction, buy alcohol, go to the airport to take an airline flight, get into a bar or club and so forth. It's a stupid point to make because only extremist would be so paranoid about it. It's their right to refuse to do it, but they are also in the extreme minority. My point still stands that it's a dumb point because for a normal person, they keep their ID and money together and have them on them at all times. Forgetting your ID in the car or at home while having money to pay is an extremely unlikely scenario.

 

[oatmeal]

Anyone try disk and thne switch?

Are load times faster?

 

[kkg1701]

Anyone try disk and thne switch?

Are load times faster?

I can't say I've noticed any difference in Nintendoland, dunno about ZombiU yet.