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[AceBandage]

I meant the GPU. Also, eDRAM was never confirmed outside of Engadget reporting that someone from IBM told them it had eDRAM.

IBM themselves confirmed it via a press release.

The all-new, Power-based microprocessor will pack some of IBM's most advanced technology into an energy-saving silicon package that will power Nintendo's brand new entertainment experience for consumers worldwide. IBM's unique embedded DRAM, for example, is capable of feeding the multi-core processor large chunks of data to make for a smooth entertainment experience.

I mean, look. I understand that it's your "thing" to be completely down on everything Nintendo, but... come on man...

Nintendo has a new but important history of destroying things with Xeno in the name.

Awww man...

 

[Mr_Brit]

IBM themselves confirmed it via a press release.



I mean, look. I understand that it's your "thing" to be completely down on everything Nintendo, but... come on man...




Awww man...

Wow. Every time someone talked about eDRAM for the CPU that engadget article was talked about, never seen that press release until now. That sounds very good for the CPU, TBH I don't think anyone is too worried about the CPU anyway.

 

[BurntPork]

Wow. Every time someone talked about eDRAM for the CPU that engadget article was talked about, never seen that press release until now. That sounds very good for the CPU, TBH I don't think anyone is too worried about the CPU anyway.

You probably should have taken a look at Engadget's source as well.

 

[Mr_Brit]

You probably should have taken a look at Engadget's source as well.

Just looked at it again. I had no idea IBM had released a press release until now.

Edit: I think that article has been updated from when it was first written. It has a link in the text to the earlier version(which doesn't work) and the first few lines talk as if they talked to someone at IBM rather than just reiterating a press release. I'm pretty sure when I first saw it there was no press release.

 

[[Nintex]]

Wow. Every time someone talked about eDRAM for the CPU that engadget article was talked about, never seen that press release until now. That sounds very good for the CPU, TBH I don't think anyone is too worried about the CPU anyway.

It was posted on the IBM site with a diagram of the memory stuff even and then promptly removed afterwards.

 

[StevieP]

I see. He doubled the Wii's GPU speed, so I guess that's it. However, since the GPU is completely different from Wii, I don't think that would make a difference, nor do I think that Nintendo would cripple Wii U just for BC. I don't think that Wii speeds should be considered at all.

Anyway, I think the triple-core is only for the early dev kits and that the final hardware will have a quad. I don't see any other way to ensure that the CPU is more powerful than Xenos.

Perfect BC is perfect BC. And if the CPU is an advanced/immature enough chip, a 3-core variant would ensure higher production yields as to not face higher fabrication costs and product shortages.

 

[snesfreak]

Nintendo has a new but important history of destroying things with Xeno in the name.

 

[Mr_Brit]

Perfect BC is perfect BC. And if the CPU is an advanced/immature enough chip, a 3-core variant would ensure higher production yields as to not face higher fabrication costs and product shortages.

Have they said perfect BC? If so then that suggests it either has some Wii chips in it or the Wii U chips are related to the chips in Wii.

 

[AceBandage]

Have they said perfect BC? If so then that suggests it either has some Wii chips in it or the Wii U chips are related to the chips in Wii.

BC has become very important to Nintendo.
They'll either include Wii chips in the U or they'll make sure that the new stuff can perfectly run Wii games.
I mean, it shouldn't be that hard.
They both use a PowerPC CPU and a Radeon GPU.

 

[Mr_Brit]

BC has become very important to Nintendo.
They'll either include Wii chips in the U or they'll make sure that the new stuff can perfectly run Wii games.
I mean, it shouldn't be that hard.
They both use a PowerPC CPU and a Radeon GPU.

Oh come on. The GPUs can't really be compared at all. I doubt Flipper is anywhere near whatever is in Wii U.

 

[fernoca]

I think it will "perfect BC" as they already confirmed that the games won't even be upscaled to HD. Gives the impression that it will be like the Wii, were it goes into "GameCube mode" the moment you put a GCN game.

 

[AceBandage]

Oh come on. The GPUs can't really be compared at all. I doubt Flipper is anywhere near whatever is in Wii U.

No, they aren't comparable.
But it since they are based, in some way, on similar technology, it gives Nintendo the option to put the Wii programing right on the card.

 

[Jin34]

No, they aren't comparable.
But it since they are based, in some way, on similar technology, it gives Nintendo the option to put the Wii programing right on the card.

They aren't, that gpu was made by ArtX which happened to be bought before the GC came out but after the chip was done.

 

[blu]

Oh come on. The GPUs can't really be compared at all. I doubt Flipper is anywhere near whatever is in Wii U.

Flipper's 'schtick' was the unparalleled speed of the dependent texture reads.

Did somebody say edram on the WiiU?

 

[BurntPork]

Nintendo has a new but important history of destroying things with Xeno in the name.

Perfect BC is perfect BC. And if the CPU is an advanced/immature enough chip, a 3-core variant would ensure higher production yields as to not face higher fabrication costs and product shortages.

So, you think that BC is their first priority and they're going to sacrifice performance for it?

 

[AceBandage]

Flipper's 'schtick' was the unparalleled speed of the dependent texture reads.

Did somebody say edram on the WiiU?

The CPU will have "quite a bit" of eDRAM.

 

[antonz]

So, you think that BC is their first priority and they're going to sacrifice performance for it?

They could potentially use a lower core speed than the 3ghz+ seen in devkits and go simpler. IBM is using what until recently was basically their baby in their specific type of EDRAM. IBM boasts it can double CPU performance.

 

[Instro]

Nintendo has a new but important history of destroying things with Xeno in the name.

Took me a minute there.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

they should drop BC force people to buy more Wiis

I don't care I got a Wii

 

[StevieP]

They aren't, that gpu was made by ArtX which happened to be bought before the GC came out but after the chip was done.

All ATI GPUs from that point on have some of Flipper in them.

Gives the impression that it will be like the Wii, were it goes into "GameCube mode" the moment you put a GCN game.

The Wii uses a CPU multiplier to downclock to GC level. There are other components in place to assure the perfect BC (the inputs, obviously, but also things like the 1T-SRAM). I am expecting something similar with the WiiU, hence the talk of pure hardware emulation (i.e. no upscaling, etc).

From what I recall reading, the 476FP shares some similarities. Will it do perfect BC? That I don't know. They could always SoC the Wii chips like Microsoft would have to do with Valhalla if they go with a Fusion part for the Xbox 3, but... that would probably cost more.

 

[Jin34]

All ATI GPUs from that point on have some of Flipper in them.

Well damn, ArtX was one hell of a small company.

 

[specialguy]

I came in this thread reading a post about how the CPU's were less than 360 and whats up with the odd GPU clock? Got all excited thought we'd had hard final specs leak or something, started excitedly clicking back pages.

But he was just commenting on somebody's list of guessed Wii U specs We still know little.

 

[BurntPork]

I came in this thread reading a post about how the CPU's were less than 360 and whats up with the odd GPU clock? Got all excited thought we'd had hard final specs leak or something, started excitedly clicking back pages.

But he was just commenting on somebody's list of guessed Wii U specs We still know little.

You got excited hearing that Wii U might be weaker than the 360?

 

[Strife91]

Nintedo is just messing with us all. Sending out false data and rumors. When we get close to launch Nintendo will reveal that it's actually a beast of a machine. We will finally have Toy Story graphics. Crysis 3 will be a launch title and running on Cryengine 4. Samaritan was actually a game in production for Wii U. The tech demo that Epic showed was running on early Wii U devkit. The final product will look much better. Nintendo will finally unleash the beast worldwide just in time for the holiday season. The console will be the most wanted christmas gift worlwide(even in Africa). This will cause Sony and MS to shit their pants. Sony will shut down Sony computer entertainment and MS will pull out of the console wars as well.

Future predicted.

 

[opi1saved]

That movie is awesome! Just watched it with my son the other night and he loved the big game reveal at the end of the flick. Anyway, Peter Moore thinks others are wrong in calling Wii U a transitional system:

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-wont-be-transitional-platform-says-peter-moore/

 

[BurntPork]

Nintedo is just messing with us all. Sending out false data and rumors. When we get close to launch Nintendo will reveal that it's actually a beast of a machine. We will finally have Toy Story graphics. Crysis 3 will be a launch title and running on Cryengine 4. Samaritan was actually a game in production for Wii U. The tech demo that Epic showed was running on early Wii U devkit. The final product will look much better. Nintendo will finally unleash the beast worldwide just in time for the holiday season. The console will be the most wanted christmas gift worlwide(even in Africa). This will cause Sony and MS to shit their pants. Sony will shut down Sony computer entertainment and MS will pull out of the console wars as well.

Future predicted.

You should be promoted to Member right now for this post.

 

[Red UFO]

Nintedo is just messing with us all. Sending out false data and rumors. When we get close to launch Nintendo will reveal that it's actually a beast of a machine. We will finally have Toy Story graphics. Crysis 3 will be a launch title and running on Cryengine 4. Samaritan was actually a game in production for Wii U. The tech demo that Epic showed was running on early Wii U devkit. The final product will look much better. Nintendo will finally unleash the beast worldwide just in time for the holiday season. The console will be the most wanted christmas gift worlwide(even in Africa). This will cause Sony and MS to shit their pants. Sony will shut down Sony computer entertainment and MS will pull out of the console wars as well.

Future predicted.

Hahaha. Reminds me of the sort of stuff you'd see before the Revolution games were shown.

 

[Sadist]

From the Peter Moore article

"I don’t know what Xbox and PlayStation’s plans for their next platforms are, but it’s not going to be hanging on graphic fidelity. I guarantee you that."

Hmmmmm...

 

[snesfreak]

Nintedo is just messing with us all. Sending out false data and rumors. When we get close to launch Nintendo will reveal that it's actually a beast of a machine. We will finally have Toy Story graphics. Crysis 3 will be a launch title and running on Cryengine 4. Samaritan was actually a game in production for Wii U. The tech demo that Epic showed was running on early Wii U devkit. The final product will look much better. Nintendo will finally unleash the beast worldwide just in time for the holiday season. The console will be the most wanted christmas gift worlwide(even in Africa). This will cause Sony and MS to shit their pants. Sony will shut down Sony computer entertainment and MS will pull out of the console wars as well.

Future predicted.

It'll also help put an end to war and poverty. It will align the planets and bring them into universal harmony. Allowing meaningful contact with all forms of life. From extra terrestrials to common household pets
It's the Wyld Stallyns of consoles.

 

[[Nintex]]

Why have you sold us out Moore why ;_;

What happened to the lucid dreams and the velocity girls.

 

[Instro]

From the Peter Moore article



Hmmmmm...

It will be interesting to see how that plays out. I wouldn't exactly be surprised, considering all the technical/cost issues with trying to make a super powered console these days.

 

[BurntPork]

That movie is awesome! Just watched it with my son the other night and he loved the big game reveal at the end of the flick. Anyway, Peter Moore thinks others are wrong in calling Wii U a transitional system:

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-wont-be-transitional-platform-says-peter-moore/

I don’t even know if there’s anything better than 1080p.

Well, that invalidates his opinion quite nicely.

 

[Jin34]

That movie is awesome! Just watched it with my son the other night and he loved the big game reveal at the end of the flick. Anyway, Peter Moore thinks others are wrong in calling Wii U a transitional system:

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/nintendo-wii-u-wont-be-transitional-platform-says-peter-moore/

Hmm I smell new thread!

 

[Red UFO]

Well, that invalidates his opinion quite nicely.

Oh you.

He's questioning whether or not anything higher than 1080p is necessary.

Which, with the size of domestic displays, it isn't.

 

[lednerg]

Oh you.

He's questioning whether or not anything higher than 1080p is necessary.

Which, with the size of domestic displays, it isn't.

Exactly. And that article probably should be its own thread since it has more to do with the gaming industry in general than Wii U speculation.

 

[BurntPork]

Exactly. And that article probably should be its own thread since it has more to do with the gaming industry in general than Wii U speculation.

If a thread is made, tell me so I know to avoid it. GAF is going to want Moore's head if they see that! Saying that Wii U will be successful and that the next gen consoles won't leave it in the dust? Moore will be the most hated person of the week!

 

[[Nintex]]

If a thread is made, tell me so I know to avoid it. GAF is going to want Moore's head if they see that! Saying that Wii U will be successful and that the next gen consoles won't leave it in the dust? Moore will be the most hated person of the week!

Moore has been corrupted by the emperor but he will strike him down bringing balance to the force.

 

[AzaK]

I don't know about anyone else, but this excited me

"It’s critically important to us and we are relieved, if anything else, that they have made a huge commitment that they have presented to us... Online certainly was not a factor with the Wii, as you know; although they had capabilities, it just wasn’t there at the level that both Xbox Live and PlayStation had," he said. "But I think Nintendo totally gets that multi-player, building community, co-op play, having the ability to bring games that are deeper - all of these things are now very important."

 

[BurntPork]

I don't know about anyone else, but this excited me

Spoiler

He's actually advertising Origin.

 

[Truth101]

I don't know about anyone else, but this excited me

He is talking about Local multiplayer, ala Mario Kart, Smash, NSMBW. I think so anyways, the wording isn't too good.

 

[bgassassin]

From the Peter Moore article



Hmmmmm...

The devil is a lie.

 

[BurntPork]

Actually, i want to see a thread for the article. The outrage might actually be entertaining.

 

[abstract alien]

From the Peter Moore article



Hmmmmm...

Thank goodness. Give me something I can't do on my 360/ps3 right now.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

From the Peter Moore article



Hmmmmm...

He should have just said "My Patcher sense is tingling!".

 

[AceBandage]

He is talking about Local multiplayer, ala Mario Kart, Smash, NSMBW. I think so anyways, the wording isn't too good.

He was talking about online in the same breath... He wouldn't be talking about offline multiplayer there.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

most fans are looking for the giant generational leap 2 years after the WiiU
Peter Moore may sound like he is off the mark but there are many more reasons why Sony and Microsoft would go a little graphical step forward then that major leap fans are looking for.

WiiU may set the starting point of where next gen visuals will be targeted. Sony and MS may very well just do a little boost of power ahead of WiiU and not that giant leap we expect to save money. Even with power and ram we have no idea how OS heavy the next consoles may become so that they can do much more of the apps stuff we see trending this generation.

 

[bgassassin]

most fans are looking for the giant generational leap 2 years after the WiiU
Peter Moore may sound like he is off the mark but there are many more reasons why Sony and Microsoft would go a little graphical step forward then that major leap fans are looking for.

WiiU may set the starting point of where next gen visuals will be targeted. Sony and MS may very well just do a little boost of power ahead of WiiU and not that giant leap we expect to save money. Even with power and ram we have no idea how OS heavy the next consoles may become so that they can do much more of the apps stuff we see trending this generation.

There are definitely more justifiable reasons for them to not make a huge jump than reasons to do it. I don't see them making a big jump (compared to Wii U), but they can always prove me wrong.

 

[Luigiv]

The Wii uses a CPU multiplier to downclock to GC level. There are other components in place to assure the perfect BC (the inputs, obviously, but also things like the 1T-SRAM). I am expecting something similar with the WiiU, hence the talk of pure hardware emulation (i.e. no upscaling, etc).

From what I recall reading, the 476FP shares some similarities. Will it do perfect BC? That I don't know. They could always SoC the Wii chips like Microsoft would have to do with Valhalla if they go with a Fusion part for the Xbox 3, but... that would probably cost more.

It won't be. Using the 3DS as precedence, it'll be a software based solution but with the hardware of course designed to allow that emulator to run as easily as possible. Software emulation is far more secure anyway.

 

[sfried]

They aren't, that gpu was made by ArtX which happened to be bought before the GC came out but after the chip was done.

I thought they dropped GC BC for this, and as I quoted earlier, talks of eDRAM replacing the function of the 1T-SRAM.

 

[bgassassin]

I thought they dropped GC BC for this, and as I quoted earlier, talks of eDRAM replacing the function of the 1T-SRAM.

I don't think the talk was so much about replacing 1T-SRAM as it was some just using the two terms interchangeably or that some were focusing on the CPU. The benefits of it over eDRAM makes me believe Nintendo would continue with 1T-SRAM for the GPU over eDRAM.