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antonz said:
Sorry, I meant during online gameplay.
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Wii U To Use 'Modern', 'Custom' AMD GPU With Multiple Display Support (5000+ series?)
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Sorry, I meant during online gameplay.
Heard the same thing with the ps3...Amir0x said:
The wiiu also have to do a lot more to support 2 screens. Just look at the Zelda hd demo, when they switch to stream to the controller the tv is scaled way down. Does not stay in HD res.
It will have to be more powerful just to do that. That doesnt mean the games will look better. I have yet to see anything that passes what the ps3/360 do now.
Amir0x said:
Not necessarily. We don't know how much internal storage it has, do we? With something like 15-20 GB of internal storage, thats enough for the average developer to use to some extent. Not to mention, early models of the 360 came with only a 20 GB HDD, and the 360 arcade version came with no HDD at all. Those SKUs haven't stopped developers from assuming they can have whatever HDD space they want.
I've no doubt that Nintendo will put out their own branded HDD on the side.
Jerk said:
I've never hated Nintendo. People always think I do. Nintendo is developer of 60% of the games on my top 50 games of all time list.
I've just been supremely disappointed with their direction over the DS and Wii years. Because of how important Nintendo is to my hobby and the games I love, I am most vocal about them. I criticize most loudly the developers I like the most.
I am a fair guy. Nintendo is clearly leading back to the direction I've wanted for this past gen, and so I am going to be ecstatic. It's a good day to be a gamer.
KrawlMan said:
One, there will be no HDD SKU for Wii U as far as anything we've heard. And the other thing is that since the rumours were exactly right about the flash storage/external HDD ability thing, then that means the extremely small amount of flash memory (8GB I think they said) remains true.
Which means developers can't depend on it since 8GB will fill up in two minutes.
Matt said:
Some people just don't want to believe this system can succeed. There is no way to fight the pessimism.
Amir0x said:
Anybody who assumed Nintendo was on the same track they took with the Wii would have made that same guess (myself included) that they wouldn't go for an HDD. Correct me if I'm wrong (I may be), but I don't recall those same rumors mentioning anything about allowing external HDDs.
The Wii had internal flash memory and neglected to allow HDDs, if anything the rumor could have easily just been following that same model.
Anyways, point being, the 8GB is still a rumor is it not? I'm not assuming something is true just because it hasn't been proven false.
Amir0x said:
sorry I would like to reply to this by reposting this
Sorry I am not talking about individuals here, I am talking in general, and the mass market. For example the COD dudebros players, they love playing online with their buddies on XBL/PSN, would a COD player get a Wii U version even though all their buddies are playing 360/PS3 version.
but I also want to add, this affects you because Wii U could potentially have a smaller online community than the already big online community of PSN/XBL, for example if I get Street Fighter on Wii U, I may not have as much competition as much as XBL/PSN where I know they have a large install base as well as all my online buddies already their on my friendslist.
They could alleviate that problem with a few gigs of on board flash. Flash is much cheaper now and Nintendo would be crazy not to put at least a few gigs in it if they are planning to compete with Sony and MS' online models. At least enough flash to hold some big downloads.Amir0x said:
I'll have to check the videos again but the ones that stuck out to me were the golf game and the ninja star throwing. What other game devices can do these things? Of course depending on how precise it is it's possible that these things won't work at all (I still remember the bullshit Wii reveal trailer and the things we never ever got in the damn thing) but I'll just assume this time everything is true.Amir0x said:
edit, if the controller didn't have the touch screen or motion control/cameras I'd agree with it being a refinement of existing devices
KrawlMan said:As much as this would be nice, I'm absolutely thrilled that we can use external HDDs. If Nintendo is giving users the freedom to use whatever HDD they want then I have no qualms. It doesn't seem like a terribly Nintendo-like move, but they've yet to state otherwise.
It's an interesting cost saving measure, and one I would be interested in seeing if Sony and MS follow.
It allows for a single SKU, and gives the consumer the choice to get as big and nice of storage as they want. Though people may not like mismatched colors or having a cord and drive to the side of it.
Good news for Nintendo. They needed some. Now they will have to make some kick-ass first party titles for it because 3rd party support will just make games capable of handling all three consoles. Unless they can attract a 3rd party dev to make an exclusive. Can Nintendo convince a 3rd party dev to abandon the other 2?
How easy will it be for MS and Sony to trump the Wii U in three years? It will probably be significantly easier financially, but if they want to go that route will be the big question. Ultimately for gamers it would be good if we can have a generation with 3 equally powerful consoles. Unfortunately the temptation to steal away 3rd party devs with a more powerful system might be too attractive.
How easy will it be for MS and Sony to trump the Wii U in three years? It will probably be significantly easier financially, but if they want to go that route will be the big question. Ultimately for gamers it would be good if we can have a generation with 3 equally powerful consoles. Unfortunately the temptation to steal away 3rd party devs with a more powerful system might be too attractive.
TwinIonEngines said:
The important thing to keep in mind is that the development of fixed function hardware is basically over. From now on it's just increasing parallelism and efficiency.
Whatever hardware MS and Sony put in their system, they will not have more advanced hardware features than Wii U, they will just have bigger and faster versions of the same stuff.
It won't be like it was with Wii at least where it had no programmable shaders or any modern graphical hardware.
It's looking more like a situation where nintendo releases a 2-3 core power 7 with a HD5670ish gpu in a sub 100W box, and Sony release a die shrunk full power7 and a die shrunk GTX580 in a 250ish W box(or maybe they wait a bit longer and go with a 660/670 level part).
The hardware in Sony's box is several times more powerful than Nintendo's, but it won't have anything that Nintendo's doesn't. So in theory it should be able to receive downgraded ports at least.
I compare it to the difference between current consoles and the hardware in something like the iPad. The current consoles are several times more powerful than the iPad in brute force terms, but the iPad has all of the modern features the consoles do, so it's able to get downgraded ports and scaled back versions that don't look substantially worse.
Now maybe Sony and MS's next gen hardware will have the horsepower to do something crazy like real time raytracing or something that Nintendo's can't do, and obviously some games will utilized the excess hardware power to do something in gameplay that can not be effectively scaled back to work on less hardware, but there is no way I see nintendo's situation this generation being nearly as bad as it was last time.
Teetris said:
That stuff is just a refinement of what came before
EyeToy camera has existed for years; touch screen is just a DS thing but now with Wii U level power. None of this stuff is very innovative, except perhaps in its combination on one unit. But as a concept for new games, it's going to push relatively few genuinely new concepts. It's just going to refine concepts that have come before into something even better.
Which is good. All companies should strive for refinements over pointless gimmickry; it always leads to superior gaming products.
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Did Nintendo say anything about the online infrastructure for Wii-U yet? Are they going to partner with someone else or will they be doing it on there on?
We all know it's more powerful but how much more so? They really haven't made that clear at all. They showed us a bunch of 3rd party games running on current gen hardware. Not too telling either. It has taken developers years to get hold of the current gen HW and still we see many failing to make them shine in the face of other SW that does. Nothing they have shown so far has wowed me or convinced me I need this thing sometime next year. If they bring an incredible line up in the first year I might consider it. I'm more than comfortable with the HW now for another 2 years easy. By that time I suspect developers will have a good understanding of it, but then again by that time MS and Sony will have their stuff hit the market with more power and even more improved online. As for the controller this thing doesn't strike me as anywhere near traditional. Nintendo has a long way to go convince the core this is the product for them in the SW space and online. I was looking to be wowed and it didn't happen, but they got time so we'll see. Not sure how they convince the great blue ocean out their of consumers, but core is going to take some serious work. Lack of HDD, Blu Ray, controller all these are issues at this point for me.
Jtyettis said:
Blu-ray doesn't matter if they're going to have a format that has similarly large capacity. They claim this iDisc format is very large capacity, so just be optimistic. It doesn't need to play Blu-Ray movies which would pointlessly inflate the price of the thing.
And yeah, we don't know how much more powerful. We'll find out later for sure, but at least we know it IS more powerful
Amir0x said:
It's a refinement, yes, but the big difference between it and the DS/3DS is a much bigger touchscreen and Dudebro-pleasing graphics on both screens. The big difference with the CG-GBA and PS3-PSP connections is that the controller will be included in every box, so you'll get more than, y'know, 3 games using it (also bigger screen and better graphics).
I don't necessarily have the greatest of confidence in third parties with these things, but the controller has the potential for some great new gameplay, so we'll just have to wait and see what they come up with.
In fact, my first test will be Ubisoft's announcement of their exclusive Assassin's Creed game. If they announce that it's "squad" based*, and you use the controller screen to give detailed instructions to your group of Assassins (ie what AC:Brotherhood should have been), then my faith in third parties on Nintendo consoles will have been restored.
*Yeah, squad isn't a very good word for the Assassin's Creed universe. I'm not saying that it's going to turn into Gears of War, just that you have a few Assassins with you with whom you can orchestrate more complex assassinations.
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Really is that true?USC-fan said:
Exactly. All these individual things refined and then put into the same package is what brings the innovation, it brings the new concepts. Making the hardware as well as possible doesn't automatically mean a superior gaming product, the software is supposed to turn it into something great, but it could just as well make it pointless gimmickry.Amir0x said:
It could have a 6000 series GPU and give me 60fps DMC which the PS360 won't be able to, but if it's not made specifically designed for that console all those functions are pretty much useless and the reason people will start saying gimmick again just like with the Wii (don't even have to twist about that, it'll happen)
Yes exactly, it has the potential. But it's all up to the developers to make the promises come true, otherwise it might as well be called a gimmickThraktor said:
Amir0x said:
Are you kidding? I can go to Wally world now and get one for $60 bucks. It should be standard on every next gen console. By next year who knows how cheap. Is it absolutely essential no, but I want these things to be the centerpiece of the living with all the capable functions of a good next gen box which includes Blu Ray. I'd say the same thing to MS next gen if they tried the same.
RagnarokX said:
It also looks huge and cumbersome for playing games over time/FPS. Now that might just be me, but I'll at least give it a shot.
Edit: Just to be clear I'm not hating on Nintendo. I was truly impressed by the Zelda demo especially with the off screen stuff that was shown it is just I need to see a lot more to be convinced next year in the realm of first party, 3rd party and online.
Edit 2: It is kind of like Tim Willits today when he got a question on bringing games to the Wii U. Basic answer well we haven't seen it yet and we don't know. Nintendo has to get everybody on board from a 3rd party perspective to really leverage this thing. If they do not then this thing will not take off and leave more time on the table for Sony and MS to step it up.
Jtyettis said:
You can also get a coffee machine for $60, should the WiiU have one of them too?
Seriously, though, the WiiU is a game system. Even if adding Blu-Ray movie playback only costs $5, that's $5 that could've gone towards better hardware that would actually improve the gaming experience. I'm certainly not going to complain about Nintendo putting gaming capabilities ahead of extra functionality I don't need.
Thraktor said:
What capabilities? Put the 5 in a standard HDD if we are going to talk about better gaming capabilities to leverage. I can get that standard in a PS3 right now and possibly for $199 by the end of next year. It they want this to be the centerpiece of the living room make it so.
Sciz said:
Then if that is not the case I simply pass. Gaming should be first and foremost hands down, but if I can get a much more well rounded experience from Sony or MS next gen I will go for that. Just like the 360 60/40 is the split now and I suspect that to go higher. I want a completely well rounded machine at the center of my living room.
Jtyettis said:
Slightly more RAM, slightly faster processor, etc, etc. Any would be more beneficial than Blu-Ray playback.
Lack of a hard disk is a valid enough complaint to make, although it at least has USB hard disk support as an option, which basically means a similar setup as the XBox360 (ie basic model just has flash, some users have hard drive).
Why does it have to be the "centerpiece of the living room"? It's a games console. It plays games.
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Jtyettis said:
Do you own a Blu-Ray player? If so, then why are you restricting your gaming options by insisting that you don't have to keep the Blu-Ray player plugged into the TV anymore?
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Yeah... GAFers have been uncompromising idiots since the platform was announced. From both ends.Amir0x said:
I don't know about some of them. I like the power of the 360, I'm still getting gorgeous games, WiiU games will at large look better, and PS4 games will look better still. The differences are going to start becoming minimal, but they'll still be there.
I mean people I consider worthwhile buddies under most scenarios became rabid animals trying to either detract or worship.
First time I think I'd ever gotten irritated enough to just leave.
I realize the Zelda demo isn't indicative of an actual game, but it's running in real time and features lighting and image integrity that's far above most everything on the console market to date.Amir0x said:
I mean, you're certainly right, there are plenty of great looking current gen games, but very few come close to what we've seen in that particular demo.
In saying that, I was thoroughly unimpressed with the nature vid. So bland and fake looking.
I still have high hopes for the new gen.
Crunched said:
I mean I thought it looked good, but not out of the range of what the current consoles can do. It was particularly impressive with its lighting, but we've seen ranges of this with Uncharted 2/3 which are on top of pushing lighting doing far more with the geometry and such. Uncharted 2/3 certainly looked beyond the Zelda tech demo. So right now I haven't seen a demo that does something PS360 can't do.
I want to see the tech demo IGN was mentioning which was so super impressive
People see to downplay the leap the 720/ps4 could do. I'm not technically savvy but I can observe a few things. In the past the PC was a good way to tell what next gen would look like. All I see top end PC hardware doing now is running sub HD 25-60 FPS console games into resoltions above HD and at 80-120FPS. They hardly utilize 4GB of ram and a chunk goes to the OS. Developing to use those high end specs or superior specs for 1080p/60FPS would be never before seen sex. I have seen arguments that it'd be too expensive to utilize the power tho.USC-fan said:
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DeathNote said:
As has been stated many times, it's more about how much power these things draw. A 400W console just isn't happening.
Jtyettis said:
Apparently not from what you're saying. If you already have a PS3 that plays bluray movies then why the hell would you want another player? Sure, I would like not to have to turn on my PS3 to watch a movie but is it really hard to turn off the other system, turn the other one and put a movie inside? This sounds more like nitpicking than anything else.
UC2 is basically the only exception I can think of in the console space. And hearing that the system may be running on a 5xxx series gpu has me very excited. Was guessing a low to mid range 4xxx series myself.Amir0x said:
The real strength of the horsepower, imo, will be for multiplats.
Considering the controller (which looks expensive to make) and the expected launch price (prolly around 300$-400$? doubt nintendo will launch higher than that), I dont think they will have much room left to produce something way more advanced than ps3/360.
Unless they have somewhat found a really good deal on the controller/cpu/gpu or willing to take loss for each consoles sold, this will just be marginally better than current ps3/360 IMO.
Unless they have somewhat found a really good deal on the controller/cpu/gpu or willing to take loss for each consoles sold, this will just be marginally better than current ps3/360 IMO.
Amir0x said:
That is pretty much my feeling of the demo as well. Impressed but not completely out of the realm of what we have now. They should be showing that IGN video to all for that reason alone. Though a Zelda at that level is simply a great thing.
Aurarian said:
You think I'm going to keep my PS3 around for next gen. Haha no way. It might be nitpicking but whatever I pick for next gen will be front and center to handle most anything. Got rid of my PS2 to my nephew even before I picked up my Xbox iirc.