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Wikileaks Founder: "Right now we are sitting on history-making stuff"

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Lame. Sure, seeing people get killed is disheartening, but everyone with half a brain already knew it happens. Interesting, yes. World-changing, history-making? No fucking way.
 
Kifimbo said:
It already happened yeah. But for the people who lost their kids, it never happened before. And for people like me who never saw something like this, releasing this tape also never happened before. It's very important that people SEE what is war.
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Do they not show war footage in history class anymore or something?
 
theultimo said:
Oddly enough, this war has the least amount of casualties and the most media presence then other war's past.

Here is a clip from Vietnam for instance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaKlsoVvWTE
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Biggest media presence? I highly doubt that. During Vietnam, most evening news programs would run a daily death toll. The marches, the protests, all the camera crews imbedded with the troops. Vietnam's media coverage tops Afghanistan's by a mile. WWII's did as well.
 
Hmm...yeah. I mean 92 children is fucked up, but the way it was hyped, I thought it would REALLY change people's perceptions about SOMETHING.

So basically

American airstrike on Afghan village
150? dead with 92 of those being children
American military claims it was fewer people and lots of insurgents.

Breaking news! American military covers up/lies about an airstrike and its victims!

I don't know any government that doesn't try to sugarcoat or outright lie about its military actions, so world-changing? No. Expected? Yes. Those people going to get punished? Not bloody likely. Does it change the way I feel about America and the American military? Not at all.

Now had it been Rus causing death of Pol president? Yes! World changing and shit hitting the fan type of news.
 
I'm pretty sure the afghan massacre wasn't the historical bombshell he was hinting at

In an interview with the ABC's Foreign Correspondent, Mr Assange said cryptically of WikiLeaks' current project:

"I can give an analogy. If there had been mass spying that had affected many, many people and organisations and the details of that mass spying were released then that is something that would reveal that the interests of many people had been abused."

He agreed it would be of the "calibre" of publishing information about the way the top secret Echelon system - the US-UK electronic spying network which eavesdrops on worldwide communications traffic - had been used
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/22/2933892.htm?section=justin

Now that would be juicy ... to the max :D
 
Kuro Madoushi said:
Hmm...yeah. I mean 92 children is fucked up, but the way it was hyped, I thought it would REALLY change people's perceptions about SOMETHING.

So basically

American airstrike on Afghan village
150? dead with 92 of those being children
American military claims it was fewer people and lots of insurgents.

Breaking news! American military covers up/lies about an airstrike and its victims!

I don't know any government that doesn't try to sugarcoat or outright lie about its military actions, so world-changing? No. Expected? Yes. Those people going to get punished? Not bloody likely. Does it change the way I feel about America and the American military? Not at all.

Now had it been Rus causing death of Pol president? Yes! World changing and shit hitting the fan type of news.
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On the flip side of that, imagine if an Iran/Iraq/Russian/China plane had bombed what it thought was a military target in the US, however it turned out to be an American Suburb and 150 Americans, 92 American Children, had been killed.

Then they denied it.

America would be up in arms, however, since it was America doing the wrong its glazed over as a casualty of war. Its those double standards that need to be exposed.
 
Chriswok said:
On the flip side of that, imagine if an Iran/Iraq/Russian/China plane had bombed what it thought was a military target in the US, however it turned out to be an American Suburb and 150 Americans, 92 American Children, had been killed.

Then they denied it.

America would be up in arms, however, since it was America doing the wrong its glazed over as a casualty of war. Its those double standards that need to be exposed.
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We'd destroy them. We committed much worse atrocities in Vietnam/Korea/WWII/WWI/Civil War, much worse, it'd hardly world changing.

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Dabanton said:
Yeah it seems that the afghan bombing is not the 'history making stuff' he was referring to.
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I'd agree with that, as the bombing is just one of countless similar 'incidents' that have happened and been white washed.

I reckon he's going to publish a MSN transcript with a real life Alien, with stickman webcam video.
 
Chriswok said:
On the flip side of that, imagine if an Iran/Iraq/Russian/China plane had bombed what it thought was a military target in the US, however it turned out to be an American Suburb and 150 Americans, 92 American Children, had been killed.

Then they denied it.

America would be up in arms, however, since it was America doing the wrong its glazed over as a casualty of war. Its those double standards that need to be exposed.
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Well, yeah, if Russia declared war on America we would be outraged. I'm not sure what point that proves, though.

Please remember that we are in an active state of war in Afghanistan. Any analogy you make involving America in particular presupposes us also being in an active state of war against another nation. At which point, we're probably already really, really unhappy with whoever it is dropping bombs in our territory.

That's the disconnect I'm seeing a lot of here. Afghans are already really, really unhappy with our actions in their country. This isn't going to make them really, really, really unhappy. 'Really, really' is just about as unhappy as a group of people are going to get.

So yes, it was and is a tragedy. Yes, our government tried to cover it up. But no, this is not a revelation of any kind nor does it change anything about our involvement in Afghanistan or elsewhere. It was a shitty thing to have happen, with a shitty response to it. But...well, accidents in war tend to have shitty consequences. That's a reality we should all be aware of. Is it easier saying this from the comfort of my non-warzone nation with the strongest defensive and offensive military capabilities on the planet? You bet. Does that make it any less true? I don't think so.

Also, I'm not excusing the attempted coverup here. That shouldn't happen and whistle blowing in this fashion is a good thing. But come on, we were promised history making material. Don't get fussy when people feel let down by overhyped news.
 
Nobody wants to talk about ECHELON?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence)

Chriswok said:
I'd agree with that, as the bombing is just one of countless similar 'incidents' that have happened and been white washed.

I reckon he's going to publish a MSN transcript with a real life Alien, with stickman webcam video.
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You know what?

Even if Wikileaks had a legit alien video or classified documents acknowledging aliens
I don't think it'll get much or any cover in the MSM
No one will believe it and it will kill Wikileaks' credibility
There's just too much stigma attached, it doesn't even matter if it's true.

The only way aliens will ever be confirmed is if the president of America holds a press conference and admits it or aliens start showing up on mass.
 
Chriswok said:
On the flip side of that, imagine if an Iran/Iraq/Russian/China plane had bombed what it thought was a military target in the US, however it turned out to be an American Suburb and 150 Americans, 92 American Children, had been killed.

Then they denied it.

America would be up in arms, however, since it was America doing the wrong its glazed over as a casualty of war. Its those double standards that need to be exposed.
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that's the stupidest comparison I have read in quite a while
 
Wii said:
The only way aliens will ever be confirmed is if the president of America holds a press conference and admits it or aliens start showing up on mass.
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oh, that'd be delightful! :D
 
Pickles the Firecat said:
Well, yeah, if Russia declared war on America we would be outraged. I'm not sure what point that proves, though.

Please remember that we are in an active state of war in Afghanistan. Any analogy you make involving America in particular presupposes us also being in an active state of war against another nation. At which point, we're probably already really, really unhappy with whoever it is dropping bombs in our territory.

That's the disconnect I'm seeing a lot of here. Afghans are already really, really unhappy with our actions in their country. This isn't going to make them really, really, really unhappy. 'Really, really' is just about as unhappy as a group of people are going to get.

So yes, it was and is a tragedy. Yes, our government tried to cover it up. But no, this is not a revelation of any kind nor does it change anything about our involvement in Afghanistan or elsewhere. It was a shitty thing to have happen, with a shitty response to it. But...well, accidents in war tend to have shitty consequences. That's a reality we should all be aware of. Is it easier saying this from the comfort of my non-warzone nation with the strongest defensive and offensive military capabilities on the planet? You bet. Does that make it any less true? I don't think so.

Also, I'm not excusing the attempted coverup here. That shouldn't happen and whistle blowing in this fashion is a good thing. But come on, we were promised history making material. Don't get fussy when people feel let down by overhyped news.
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Hmm, I can see what you're saying and thanks for the well worded worthwhile reading reply (i.e - not 'STOOPID COMPARISON DOOD!').

What I was trying to get across was that general consensus would suggest that people in America couldn't care less that their military has just killed a few hundred civilians. However, if an enemy did that to their country they'd want the whole World to know how brutal and savage they were.

The fact that Civilians being killed is 'covered up' and not investigated by news groups (who are a joke anyway) unless a leak is sprung is disgraceful. For as much crap as England has done in the past, I have faith in my fellow Brit that they'd be outraged if their Military had killed a few hundred Civilians - even more so if the Government had tried to cover it up.

As for the comments about this being the revelation, I wasn't trying to put across that this was the revelation. I joined this thread very late (today in fact) just to chime in that I felt that people's attitude in general to Civilians dying (and their death's being covered up) to be very blasé.
 
so if this news is so goddamn important why not just release it

i understand how he's trying to build hype, but if this video is actually important shouldn't this be enough on its own for attention?
 
Wii said:
You know what?

Even if Wikileaks had a legit alien video or classified documents acknowledging aliens
I don't think it'll get much or any cover in the MSM
No one will believe it and it will kill Wikileaks' credibility
There's just too much stigma attached, it doesn't even matter if it's true.
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You're really, really out to lunch.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Yeah, I know the killing children line made you sound like Jane Fonda for a second and that vice from the BFBC2 DLC popped in my head saying that.

Meh, collateral damages sucks, but hey that's life. It's not like they deliberately bombed the shit out of them going 10 points for kids 15 for the elderly and suck like Death Race 2000 (the original).
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I'm staring at this post in utter disbelief.
 
President Obama has been dead for over 1000 years
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As with all announcements of upcoming news peoples imagination seems to have spiralled out of control and whatever the real news is will be a disappointment compared to the hype. Right now with some people it seems to be aliens or disappoint lol :lol.
 
Some are speculating that it had to do with the WaPo story about the intricate and wasteful homeland security network that's been put in place since 9/11. The guy tweeted something about the story today.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Some are speculating that it had to do with the WaPo story about the intricate and wasteful homeland security network that's been put in place since 9/11. The guy tweeted something about the story today.
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Still not Alien Bigfoots. I mean if they did this before the whole phone taping stuff than maybe big deal, but this shit is old hat.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Some are speculating that it had to do with the WaPo story about the intricate and wasteful homeland security network that's been put in place since 9/11. The guy tweeted something about the story today.
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Yeah, he gives the impression that they will 'expand' on what the Post has reported.
 
Why do people want it to be aliens? I mean, if it was aliens, what good could possibly come from knowing that we are basically under the mercy of what could possibly be a far far more advanced species capable of destroying us without batting an eyelash (?) if we looked at them crooked?
 
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri said:
Why do people want it to be aliens? I mean, if it was aliens, what good could possibly come from knowing that we are basically under the mercy of what could possibly be a far far more advanced species capable of destroying us without batting an eyelash (?) if we looked at them crooked?
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With the hype he's running nothing beyond batshit crazy will suffice at this point.

Though I can't say I disagree with the HP Lovecraftian view of Alien life you have.
 
Some of you people are cold blooded, 90+ kids died in an accidental war strike. This is ridiculous because we're not at war WITH Afghanistan, we're at war in Afghanistan, we're not just fighting Afghani people, we're fighting any terrorists who are willing to take up the coat of arms and come fight - we've basically turned this place into a battlefield, disturbing the lives of countless people, and when we accidentally bomb the fuck out of near 100 kids running around, doing their kids stuff - and then lie about it - it seems most of you can't do more than feign sympathy. These are peoples kids here, probably good people who had nothing to do with any of this, we killed them then we lied about it.
 
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri said:
Why do people want it to be aliens? I mean, if it was aliens, what good could possibly come from knowing that we are basically under the mercy of what could possibly be a far far more advanced species capable of destroying us without batting an eyelash (?) if we looked at them crooked?
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that's coward talk!

we will fight them and WE WILL WIN
 
Kinitari said:
Some of you people are cold blooded, 90+ kids died in an accidental war strike. This is ridiculous because we're not at war WITH Afghanistan, we're at war in Afghanistan, we're not just fighting Afghani people, we're fighting any terrorists who are willing to take up the coat of arms and come fight - we've basically turned this place into a battlefield, disturbing the lives of countless people, and when we accidentally bomb the fuck out of near 100 kids running around, doing their kids stuff - and then lie about it - it seems most of you can't do more than feign sympathy. These are peoples kids here, probably good people who had nothing to do with any of this, we killed them then we lied about it.
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Enosh said:
that's coward talk!

we will fight them and WE WILL WIN
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That won't happen, it's not July 4th, but should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!" Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!
 
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri said:
Why do people want it to be aliens? I mean, if it was aliens, what good could possibly come from knowing that we are basically under the mercy of what could possibly be a far far more advanced species capable of destroying us without batting an eyelash (?) if we looked at them crooked?
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You mean other than the fact it would be the most important event in human history?
 
Horsebite said:
You mean other than the fact it would be the most important event in human history?
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Well that really depends, the biggest event in human history is humans coming to be, aliens would I guess be third place as the second biggest event that could happen in human history would be the extinction of the human race. I guess aliens could claim both second and third place if the aliens are the ones who kill us all. There's little reason to hope for things to be big, just because they'd be big, getting hit by an airplane would be the biggest event of my life up to this point but I don't really "hope" for it.

But I don't think it's that bad, what's the difference between living knowing there's an alien race that could kill you in a heartbeat versus living believing there's a God that could kill you in a heart beat? Hell, everyone I meet in the course of a day has the capacity to kill me if I looked at them funny. I don't see why anyone should care.
 
mAcOdIn said:
Well that really depends, the biggest event in human history is humans coming to be, aliens would I guess be third place as the second biggest event that could happen in human history would be the extinction of the human race. I guess aliens could claim both second and third place if the aliens are the ones who kill us all. There's little reason to hope for things to be big, just because they'd be big, getting hit by an airplane would be the biggest event of my life up to this point but I don't really "hope" for it.

But I don't think it's that bad, what's the difference between living knowing there's an alien race that could kill you in a heartbeat versus living believing there's a God that could kill you in a heart beat? Hell, everyone I meet in the course of a day has the capacity to kill me if I looked at them funny. I don't see why anyone should care.
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what in the fuck cracksmoke are you hoppin'

i don't care WHAT it means if aliens happen to be real, i don't care if it's district 9 or independence day or alien/predator, i just want it to be real

humanity's greatest gift and curse is curiosity - just because you were apparently born without it doesn't mean i should go running around in fear of the unknown
 
Twig said:
what in the fuck cracksmoke are you hoppin'

i don't care WHAT it means if aliens happen to be real, i don't care if it's district 9 or independence day or alien/predator, i just want it to be real

humanity's greatest gift and curse is curiosity - just because you were apparently born without it doesn't mean i should go running around in fear of the unknown
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Those are pretty close to the words I was thinking of using.
 
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