not sure, but i'm guessing it's the assumption gamepass will be on everything but playstation. But I don't think nintendo will have it either so /shrug.What is that option referring to?
not sure, but i'm guessing it's the assumption gamepass will be on everything but playstation. But I don't think nintendo will have it either so /shrug.What is that option referring to?
Dude, if they bundle WoW sub with gamepass, megatonMy bet is exclusivity, it makes far too much sense, also consider if for example your World of Warcraft subscription is now a part of Gamepass, and that Call of Duty is now gamepass etc. The value of this cannot he understated, and if all of that is available exclusively on Xbox... that's a huge play.
Wasn't WoW in an neverending decadence by now anyway?Dude, if they bundle WoW sub with gamepass, megaton
There's probably 7 million playstation cod players who's start playing it on pc or xbox instead if it left playstation. That's a lot of people.Exactly what % of Sony gamers give a enough shits about COD so much it would make them move to M$?
15%? 99% who are 14 or younger
Cod is a game that move console sales and move the barometer. Most gamers buy a console because of fifa cod and gta. Microsoft want that this player go or choose Ms ecosystem you spent 70b to move the needle not to recoup the money in 20 years leaving things in the status quo. If it is not clear that but Ms is not afraid of losing the mythical "playstation money on the table" after the acquisition of Bethesda and the exclusivity of its new games and especially after the expenditure of 70b in this acquisition, I do not know. what will make certain people understand
There's probably 7 million playstation cod players who's start playing it on pc or xbox instead if it left playstation. That's a lot of people.
I expect CoD to remain multiplat. PS community is absolutely massive. It’s a gold mine for MS. If not, I don’t see CoD staying as big as it is today. Sales already declining. Best selling one is at 30 million as a multiplat. Major chunk on PS. You don’t just cut that away and put it in a subscription. That’s just me.
I believe it'll be available on Xbox products and PC going forward. Most, if not all of the vast amounts of IPs under the umbrella of Activision-Blizzard will be exclusive on Xbox products and PC. Same goes for the IPs under Zenimax and its subsidiaries - Bethesda, iD Software, etc. Wasn't Elder Scrolls VI confirmed to be Xbox and PC exclusive a while ago by Phil?
All that's left for Microsoft is to acquire EA and Ubisoft.
isn't anymore just Cod.....theres Cod (multiple versions) Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the dragon,Doom,Wolfenstein, Hellblade 2 , The elder scrolls 6, The outer worlds, Avowed, Indiana Jones, Starfield, Fallout, The evil within, Red Fall, Quake, project cobalt, Dishonored, etc etcJust like Fortnite, GTA, Apex, Warzone, Spider-Man (exclusive), God of War (exclusive), Horizon, (exclusive) FIFA, Minecraft, Destiny, FF Online, Genshin Impact, Warframe and many others.
People have enough other games to enjoy in addition to huge exclusives and the biggest catalog of F2P games on PS.
Cutting of 60% of your player base and forcing Xbox players to play with PC players (basically a must if you want full lobbies) isn’t a logical thing to do IMO. People are begging 343 to get an option to turn off cross play in Halo because of cheaters, remember. Vanguard is doing worse than Cold War and the latter is sitting at around 6 million sales. That’s 3.6 million PS players, roughly. That leaves 2.4 million players with a game you’re putting in a subscription day one, spread across 2 platforms. That won’t end well and I’m certainly not expecting 3 million people to collectively abandon their entire PS library just to buy CoD once in a year. I’d say they’ll settle playing Warzone and maybe the upcoming PS5 exclusive MP shooter by Deviation, made by CoD devs.
Apart from that, the game has to lean on MTX heavily to recoup dev costs, so it won’t end up like the CoD people know and love.
Just doesn’t make sense to me, especially because it relies on player counts.
It’s bad news for both player bases, as you can see.
isn't anymore just Cod.....theres Cod (multiple versions) Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the dragon,Doom,Wolfenstein, Hellblade 2 , The elder scrolls 6, The outer worlds, Avowed, Indiana Jones, Starfield, Fallout, The evil within, Red Fall, Quake, project cobalt, Dishonored, etc etc
TO BE CLEAR this does not want to be in any way a list war but seeing them together genuinely gives the amount of games that the Sony platform will no longer see after the latest acquisitions. This is without counting the usual temporary exclusivity agreements that both companies use to make and of course not counting the old Microsoft studios
...So certainly the platform has many exclusives that make the eyes of gamers shine, but to pass the idea that the PlayStation user at this point is not "missing" anything. it is really beyond all logic. Ms is a this point doubling the number of studios that Sony own
Cold war is closer to 20M sales then 6M.Source? Vanguard sells less than Cold War and Cold War sits at around 6 million. Around 60% is on PS traditionally.
No. You're missing it. If MS buys up a ton of studios like this and GamePass is the only way you can play Elder Scrolls, CoD and a host of other titles....Sony will let them as they still want to sell PlayStations instead of having people go to PC. MS will make tons more money being software only and the only place you can play those games. What they are doing gives Sony no leverage and no choice rather than to WELCOME GamePass onto Playstation! At least that's my analysis. Look, you've seen the same thing happen in the TV and video market without putting the specific hardware out of business. You've also seen those companies make WAY more money via the subscription models as well. MS has seen this too, and this is their plan. In my speculative opinion.I can see some gaas being on ps5 like a war zone sequel
Putting gamepass on the playstation and basically folding the xbox is asking for Sony to double the cut of any subscription service on playstation the second there is no xbox hardware lol. It be playing into Sony’s hands it be laughably stupid. Gamepass on playstation ends any reason to get a xbox and soon after gives sony a monopoly and leverage to end gamepass.
Sony would go third party before that happens. Producing hardware to sell to people who then just subscribe to MS’ service with it would be the most ridiculous and stupid business in existence.No. You're missing it. If MS buys up a ton of studios like this and GamePass is the only way you can play Elder Scrolls, CoD and a host of other titles....Sony will let them as they still want to sell PlayStations instead of having people go to PC. MS will make tons more money being software only and the only place you can play those games. What they are doing gives Sony no leverage and no choice rather than to WELCOME GamePass onto Playstation! At least that's my analysis. Look, you've seen the same thing happen in the TV and video market without putting the specific hardware out of business. You've also seen those companies make WAY more money via the subscription models as well. MS has seen this too, and this is their plan. In my speculative opinion.
Not if they're still licensing and selling tons of their own first party games and other developers who stay independent. Microsoft cannot in fact buy everyone. Not even close. A number of large acquisitions will set them up with a good stable of games that if you want to play...you will use GamePass. If you want to play Sony's games, you'll use a Playstation.Sony would go third party before that happens. Producing hardware to sell to people who then just subscribe to MS’ service with it would be the most ridiculous and stupid business in existence.
Well, they are publishing on PC, aren't they? So yes, I'd say they'd take that sweet, sweet licensing cash and run. We already know these companies make more off the games than they do the hardware, so not a big deal.If Sony had bought Activision, would they still publish COD on Xbox?
But Sony hardly makes anything from their first party games. Just look at the figures. They are not Nintendo. Nintendo first party is in a whole other league. They wouldn’t be able to survive on this scenario you describe.Not if they're still licensing and selling tons of their own first party games and other developers who stay independent. Microsoft cannot in fact buy everyone. Not even close. A number of large acquisitions will set them up with a good stable of games that if you want to play...you will use GamePass. If you want to play Sony's games, you'll use a Playstation.
I don't know how people think this wouldn't work when Nintendo has been wildly successful for over a decade now with VERY limited third party support and almost entirely on the strength of their first party offerings. It absolutely can be done. More...it will be the way it is, most likely. Whether it succeeds or fails ultimately, is the question. It's possible MS can't generate the momentum and cash they will need and if that happens they'll start spinning off developers again. So we'll know how it's going, I would be within the next 5-7 years. They can't accept big losses forever.
Yes, very true. And if Microsoft could buy EVERYONE else in the development world, Sony would be done or would shrink down quite a bit. But that's not going to happen. There will be plenty of independent "third parties" that will still make games for Playstation in addition to first party. Sony makes a lot of first party as well, by the way. But bottom line, neither company makes as much on hardware as they do the games. It's not even close. So I do think it's very possible.But Sony hardly makes anything from their first party games. Just look at the figures. They are not Nintendo. Nintendo first party is in a whole other league. They wouldn’t be able to survive on this scenario you describe.
Minecraft was to be multiplatform per their purchase agreement. Mojang would not sell otherwise. That is why you see everything Minecraft come out multiplatform.Minecraft is still multiplat, I can easily see CoD and Diablo go everywhere. But I think it all depends on what competitors are doing, MS could use exclusivity scenarios as threats to get what they want - to have Gamepass everywhere.
I have a hard time believing CoD won't be on PlayStation.
Okay I didn’t know this. That changes everything. I thought MS had an ambition to keep big games as multiplat games but so far they’ve only really has Minecraft in the right size.Minecraft was to be multiplatform per their purchase agreement. Mojang would not sell otherwise. That is why you see everything Minecraft come out multiplatform.
Activision isnt the same agreement. Im not saying it wont happen, but circumstances are different.
That's only because of market share right now. That could flip or be more even by the end of this generation.Obviously they will be, you don't buy a Ferrari and pierce the fuel tank with a screwdriver.
The funny thing about it is it's more damaging to the IP to not release it on Playstation, but not so much the other way around.
Cold war is closer to 20M sales then 6M.
Well I'm in the 500 WW for wins and I'd have quit a year ago if I couldn't turn off cross play. Its so trash.You are right, I was using first month figures. Apologies. Core of my post stands though. PS player base is 60%. How many people will be actively playing if it has a strong monetization model like Halo and 60% players are cut out while cross play is active?
Well I'm in the 500 WW for wins and I'd have quit a year ago if I couldn't turn off cross play. Its so trash.
I'd guess probably 5M ps5 players would buy an xbox to play the likes of modern Warfare and black ops. Nobody really cares about the sledgehammer cods in between. Not enough to buy a console anyway.
I wouldn’t be sure WoW would end up on the Xbox let alone PS. I think it’ll be a PC game for life.Warzone will come to ps, perhaps WoW
Everything else will be Xbox, pc and cloud
Who still thinks Elder scrolls 6 will come to ps (while eso is on ps)? This will work the same
WoW will never come to consoles. This is not as FFXIV that had a UI designed from the ground up for a pad. But maybe next Blizzard MMO will be PC/Xbox.Warzone will come to ps, perhaps WoW
Well if playstation gets Modern Warfare 2 this year which it will and a ps5 version of warzone which it should I'll prob not be affected either. If sony gets treyarcs game next year likely to be cold war 2 then they won't lose too many this gen or at least anytime soon.I guess we will just have to wait and see. I'm happy none of these acquisitions have any severe impact on my own gaming habits, but it's a worrisome situation overall, for both Xbox, PC and PS gamers.
People also have to remember, that CoD was originally a lesser 'ripoff' game compared to something called 'Medal of Honor.' The market changed. If MS actually does pull something like CoD from Playstation with tens of millions of sales at stake, someone else will step up and offer a competing product. All MS is doing with this is potentially tying up some CURRENT big titles. Nothing says they'll stay that way. People will leave those companies and make new development houses....the market will keep evolving. Everyone though the game industry was saturated over a decade ago, but it's still growing like crazy. We'll see what happens in the next 5-10 years. Because until then, not much that MS has done will even have an effect.I had a hard time believing Elder Scrolls VI won't be on PlayStation last year too ..
But ya know .. things happen.
This train of thought doesn't work because developers the world over have been trying to make the next COD since COD4. It's not as simple as snapping your fingers and you now have a game to replace COD.People also have to remember, that CoD was originally a lesser 'ripoff' game compared to something called 'Medal of Honor.' The market changed. If MS actually does pull something like CoD from Playstation with tens of millions of sales at stake, someone else will step up and offer a competing product. All MS is doing with this is potentially tying up some CURRENT big titles. Nothing says they'll stay that way. People will leave those companies and make new development houses....the market will keep evolving. Everyone though the game industry was saturated over a decade ago, but it's still growing like crazy. We'll see what happens in the next 5-10 years. Because until then, not much that MS has done will even have an effect.
Diablo is a huge title on consoles too.Let’s be honest, of all the Activision Blizzard titles currently around, on console people only care about one of them, Call of Duty. The rest to me seem like their fan bases are on PC. I’ve never even played any of the others. Based on that I think they’ll make CoD an Xbox exclusive. It’s a system seller, killer IP. You don’t spend $70 billion USD to hand that to your competitors. I couldn’t care less if any other Activision IP goes exclusive, but I like to get a CoD game very few years and as a PlayStation owner this isn’t great.
The real next COD: Cold War is Sony v Microsoft. Published by Acquisition-Blizzard.