The Souls community is possibly the best fanbase in all gaming.
I would've given up on Demon's Souls if it wasn't for how much everyone helped me.
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Will there ever be an EASY mode for Bloodborne?
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The Souls community is possibly the best fanbase in all gaming.
I would've given up on Demon's Souls if it wasn't for how much everyone helped me.
Guys, what about a minimap? I sometimes get lost in the woods.
Great idea for a new bait thread after this one subsides
Guys, what about a minimap? I sometimes get lost in the woods.
FW is actually one of my favorite areas just because it is so hard to navigate especially first time through. It actually feels like you get lost in there and it is something that not many games do.
what's happening is, we're seeing what the effects of having an easy-mode implemented would elicit from Bloodborne fans; and the response has been a rather aggressive "No.".
there is no game series that you could add an easy mode to, that would make me this upset.
again, people assume that someone either doesnt like Bloodborne, or that theyre not good enough at it, and that isn't the case at all, i interjected only after witnessing the extremely dogmatic stances people took.
Astral Dog
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Im playing a Souls game for the first time (2) well after playing the first for a bit and not liking it
You are going to struggle a lot to get the basics well, all stats, creation stuff kinda remind me of a WRpg, :/
But, slowly advancing does give you a sense of accomplishment wich is the main draw of those games, also kinda interesting how the game punishes you for death, i think it gets tedious until you get the trick to it ( finding the HEs, using your death state to explore your sorroundings) , but well..
The common enemies are NEVER fodder, and the rare or bosses can be scary
wich is very different from most games, a good or bad (mostly good) depending on your patience or what type of player you are.
Im enjoying it, but there are two things that worry me, after getting the basics/ tutorial right ( restarting like 3 times before Majuls)
The first time i died was from a fire bomb above, and after lots of them, or enemies coming from behind after opening/ pasding through a door or mist. The game always tries different things to punish you, and some of them feel "cheap" imo. Its not enough to be careful, but trial and error are neccessary to progress.
Also, the game has a lot of things for online players that help progression, as i am not connected and using an old version i dont use these features and they seem to be very important for the experience, also something that worried me in the reviews of the first Dark Souls.
Like they could easily change the pace and difficulty or something, im not sure about that, or give weapons /help.
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You are going to struggle a lot to get the basics well, all stats, creation stuff kinda remind me of a WRpg, :/
But, slowly advancing does give you a sense of accomplishment wich is the main draw of those games, also kinda interesting how the game punishes you for death, i think it gets tedious until you get the trick to it ( finding the HEs, using your death state to explore your sorroundings) , but well..
The common enemies are NEVER fodder, and the rare or bosses can be scary
wich is very different from most games, a good or bad (mostly good) depending on your patience or what type of player you are.Im enjoying it, but there are two things that worry me, after getting the basics/ tutorial right ( restarting like 3 times before Majuls)
The first time i died was from a fire bomb above, and after lots of them, or enemies coming from behind after opening/ pasding through a door or mist. The game always tries different things to punish you, and some of them feel "cheap" imo. Its not enough to be careful, but trial and error are neccessary to progress.
Also, the game has a lot of things for online players that help progression, as i am not connected and using an old version i dont use these features and they seem to be very important for the experience, also something that worried me in the reviews of the first Dark Souls.
Like they could easily change the pace and difficulty or something, im not sure about that, or give weapons /help.
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FoxnHurley
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One of many...lol. Another would be the Forbidden Woods and its two elevators. I felt the waypoint lanterns were very sparse in that level. Yet you could access the top and bottom half of the level extremely quickly by using those elevators once you had the other operating. If one was having trouble with the Shadow of Yharnam, they could be at the fog gate again in less than a min, provided you dashed past everything after taking both elevators.
That's what makes the level so awesome! I felt hopelessly lost when navigating it for a good 30 mins, not coming across another waypoint lantern while holding 23,000 blood echoes. It just keep unraveling into different paths that turned into labyrinths themselves.
Again, it's the pro-easy mode people having meltdowns in this thread, not the Souls people.
Are you trying to get yourself banned?
Actually there is even better shortcut in Forbidden Woods (atleast I think it is better). It is the door you open near the SoY arena.
Palculator
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What did any of that have to do with ableism and racism? Pretty sure no post in this thread said "No, if this game was easy all these disabled people could play it" or "No, black people might enjoy it too." No one here was arguing based on perceived ineptitude with Bloodborne/Souls in either of the affected groups. It was an incredibly misguided interjection.
And if you're trying to pin the aggression on the disagreement with easy mode, I'll point out to you the other side of that argument actually started using ableist language calling another member "shit posting autist."
Oof
Thank you.
Astral Dog
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Well a few noob questions
Is there a change in stats when you are dead?
Why cant i level up pshycal def. When giving souls?
The game says i dont have the attributes to weild certain weapons correctly, what to do?
Where i can find the stone for the blacksmith?
Pleease 😦
Is there a change in stats when you are dead?
Why cant i level up pshycal def. When giving souls?
The game says i dont have the attributes to weild certain weapons correctly, what to do?
Where i can find the stone for the blacksmith?
Pleease 😦
Psychoward
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wh-what
Yep. As long as you know where to drop down from, you can reach the boss from the lantern in, like, 30 seconds.
Night Angel
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No.
Every level adds to your defense, IIRC.
Level up to get to that stat if you want to use the weapon effectively. The stat thresholds are low in BB.
Enemies drop the stones and you find them in the world.
And holy shit this took a turn.
From the elevator don't go left to the second elevator but just run down the path. There is a drop almost straight to the boss area but you need to open the door from the other side so that you can use it. It is super easy run and faster than using the elevators. Not by much but still.
NoctisVsStar
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We need a chicken hat for hunters lol
Palculator
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Holy shit I didn't know this either! Thanks. Gonna try it next time.
Best to ignore it. It was a dumb aside we're mostly lingering on due to how misguided and out of place it was. You're right to be baffled and it's probably best to move on.
Orochinagis
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Nope
You can, with vitality and endurance
Read the small kinda misable icon on the weapon properties, it says the stats it scales
Blacksmith stones are scattered around places not in our "fun" path wait till next "Scholar of the first sin" on Bloodborne to put it right in your feet so you can wander off the road and get killed
Like others have said, 'easy mode' is co-op with a friend. Once you get enough battles under your belt, you won't need to do it. It can be tough as a noob, but its not impossible. From what I have read, BB's latest patch has made co-op a bit easier. GL. I don't mind helping either, but I don't have a ton of time to play. You can find my PSN on GAF profile.
EDIT: I emphatically believe any 'easy mode' does disservice to most games. I feel people nowadays expect to 'beat' every game neat and tidy, too much effort and its bad. That is not my idea of gaming. There are plenty of games I have left unfinished, for difficulty or otherwise. No shame in that.
EDIT: I emphatically believe any 'easy mode' does disservice to most games. I feel people nowadays expect to 'beat' every game neat and tidy, too much effort and its bad. That is not my idea of gaming. There are plenty of games I have left unfinished, for difficulty or otherwise. No shame in that.
You are playing Dark Souls 2?
No change in stats aside from the small HP decrease.
I really don't remember how physical def and leveling works in DaS2.
When you look at the weapon info the stats that you have too low are in red. It shows the stats needed to wield them.
Stones are around the world and some enemies drop them. You will start getting them sooner or later.
I hope this helps even little.
I actually realized it on my 8th playthrough. It is really not that clear shortcut compared to others.
super-famicom
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Yeah, I've been following the thread and totally agree. I've been tempted to post my opinions (EZ mode not necessary), but it's already been explained over and over.
To all the doubters, check out NoctisVStar's LTTP thread and you can see how a new player is adapting to the difficulties and not giving up.
you keep bringing it up so lets talk about it
the line of thinking for not having a easy-mode under any circumstance, is pure dogma.
Might as well ask why you can summon Iron Tarkus even though he's dead.
Astral Dog
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Thanks!
Just one little bit, how do you light up torches, and do those do anything? I remember getting something early at the first bonfire but who knows.
Lys Skygge
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Omg this thread! It's been quite entertaining to read.
Professor Lich
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I would like to add that a few people in this thread have set themselves up as summons and helped other people in the game. So they have in fact contributed to making the game easier for players who ask/need help. I wanted to reiterate this since people keep throwing the word hostile around.
And while I would like the game's enjoyment to be shared with more people, the player has to put in the effort themselves. As well, there is in fact an in game mechanic to dial the numbers in your favor, it's just not readily apparent or instantly accessible. (Blacksmithing) Though I don't know how that works in Bloodbourne.
And while I would like the game's enjoyment to be shared with more people, the player has to put in the effort themselves. As well, there is in fact an in game mechanic to dial the numbers in your favor, it's just not readily apparent or instantly accessible. (Blacksmithing) Though I don't know how that works in Bloodbourne.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Not everything has to be for everyone. If you don't want the thrill of a high difficulty game there are plenty of other games out there that suit your needs.
The same argument applies to people that find Souls/Bloodborne too easy and think the game is boring because of it. It's just not designed for you.
If the removal of challenge alters the game to a point where the creators feel that it doesn't resemble what they want to express in the game, then it is perfectly valid if it is removed.
The same argument applies to people that find Souls/Bloodborne too easy and think the game is boring because of it. It's just not designed for you.
If the removal of challenge alters the game to a point where the creators feel that it doesn't resemble what they want to express in the game, then it is perfectly valid if it is removed.
Or, you know, a deliberate design choice.
It'd be like having a limited allowed number of clicks per minute for Starcraft so it doesn't get too complicated for new players
iRAWRasaurus
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In bloodborne, its automatic. You need to equip the torch in your weapon slot and hit left on D pad to take it out/put away.
which would affect those playing on normal mode how?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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It's a bit dramatic to see people pulling the "toxic" and "worst fanbase" card over people bringing up the possibility that not all games are meant to be enjoyed by all skill levels.
SatelliteOfLove
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Palculator
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One hell of a ride.
I brought it up to tell you very clearly I don't want none. Not gonna indulge you more.
You light up torches by pressing triangle or whatever the Xbox equivalent is at bonfire and then press x or a. Torches have very limited use in DaS2 so don't worry about them too much. If you have more questions I would assume DaS2 OT will be good place to ask.
Coffee Dog
Banned
It might not be fun in the way that blizzard intended, especially if they view high level play as integral to the starcraft experience.
See, it's not about affecting other players. It is about how the elements of the game are communicated to that player.
Moon_frogger
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lol
Just because you didn't use them Doesn't mean they aren't extremely useful. Especially for new players.
Literally what do you gain once you play it on easy? Are you still able to suck in the atmosphere? Would you still be invested in the lore? An easy mode would make the combat trivial which is a huge part of the game. How much of it can you really enjoy if there was an easy mode?
this is for the person choosing easy-mode to decide, not the rabid and orthodox fanbase to decide for them.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Actually, it's for the people making the game to decide. And if you disagree, tough shit. Art is subjective and you don't have to like it.
I mean, how could you disagree with that? Are you going to bring up sales numbers, or are you going to say that you know game design better than the dev team?
FoxnHurley
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Yeeeeeesss! Stop, drop and roll! Screw blocking with your shield, get those invincibility frames!
Heh, that reminds me something. There was that time when I was summoned to help against Vicar Amelia.
The fight began and I was, well you know, fighting the boss, doing some damage. But the summoner was doing absolutely nothing, he was just standing there while I was fighting. That kinda pissed me off so I stopped and tried to bait Amelia towards him. But he was fleeing all the time and nearly got himself killed ! So I wanted to finish Amelia, but she killed me just before the dude beat her when she had only 1 HP left or something. And I didn't even get the Blood Echoes and the Insight point.
I wasn't happy that day lol I hate people like that. I mean, I was summoned to help, not to do all the job, goddammit.
No easy mode.
To be honest, the game already has an easy mode, but you have to keep at it until you unlock it: the more you play the game, the more you become familiar with your character, the way they move, the reach of your chosen weapon(s), the effectiveness of the weapon(s) against certain enemies, the enemy patterns of attack, the enemies reach and range, the damage output of the enemies, etc. as you start to become familiar with these systems and mechanics, the game becomes easier.
I remember, during my very first play through, I got wrecked so hard by the final boss. When u played through the game again on new game plus, which actually adds to the difficulty level, I wrecked the final boss with visceral attacks, and defeated it in minutes, first try.
Most games are like this. Well, the really well designed ones. The more you stick with it, the better you get.
To be honest, the game already has an easy mode, but you have to keep at it until you unlock it: the more you play the game, the more you become familiar with your character, the way they move, the reach of your chosen weapon(s), the effectiveness of the weapon(s) against certain enemies, the enemy patterns of attack, the enemies reach and range, the damage output of the enemies, etc. as you start to become familiar with these systems and mechanics, the game becomes easier.
I remember, during my very first play through, I got wrecked so hard by the final boss. When u played through the game again on new game plus, which actually adds to the difficulty level, I wrecked the final boss with visceral attacks, and defeated it in minutes, first try.
Most games are like this. Well, the really well designed ones. The more you stick with it, the better you get.
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