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Wind Waker is the best game Nintendo has ever made
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nckillthegrimace
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-Dungeons are too easy, and there aren't very many of them
-Partner switching mechanic in later dungeons is annoying
-Combat boils down to waiting until a QTE A flashes on screen and then pressing A to awesome
-Sailing is boring
I mean there's good stuff in the game, but overall it's kind of "My First Zelda."
-Partner switching mechanic in later dungeons is annoying
-Combat boils down to waiting until a QTE A flashes on screen and then pressing A to awesome
-Sailing is boring
I mean there's good stuff in the game, but overall it's kind of "My First Zelda."
Wreck-It Ralph
Member
I liked Wind Waker when it came out, but I tried replaying the HD version when I got it for free with Mario Kart, and I don't think it holds up very well at all. It's still really pretty, it's just not very fun to play.
Glass Rebel
Member
They could have finished and it still wouldn't have been even the best Zelda game. Worst dungeons in any Zelda game and the only things it has going for it over the others are the aesthetics and soundtrack.
Super Metroid still the GOAT
Super Metroid still the GOAT
Leafhopper
Banned
I disagree. Wind Waker is a damn good game though.
Total opposite for me.
I liked the atmosphere music and art and a lot of chunks of gameplay. But its not even the best Zelda game.
Best Nintendo game ever is Pokemon Heart gold/Soul silver :3
Werewolf Jones
Member
I love Wind Waker but it has too many problems for it to be considered the best.
ninjablade
Banned
most mario games are easy, but have level designed for the skill players if they want to master the game, zelda was always challenging till the GC era, i guess.
HeartlessNobody213
Member
I wouldn't say all that but, Wind Waker is the only Zelda game I've ever finished.
Nailed it.
TheOfficeMut
Unconfirmed Member
Does Metroid Prime somehow not exist now?
biggersmaller
Banned
This new? I laughed pretty good.
Otakumegane
Member
The dungeons disqualify the game from being the best Zelda.
Not even close. Not even the best Zelda. Not even in the top 5 Zeldas. The first half of it was great, but it falls apart in the second half with the fetch quest, empty ocean and silly treatment of Tetra which guts the story for quite some time.
1. Applies to almost all Zelda games. Dungeons in Wind Waker were weaker than TP's by some distance.
2. Applies to every single Zelda game.
3. Yes, this was Wind Waker's strong point, until you realized how empty the Great Sea really was. The 'dice' islands were just terrible filler, and there was a fair bit of that stuff.
4. Applies to every single Zelda game, and almost every Nintendo game.
5. Yeah. No arguments there.
6. That's quite a drawback though, even if most 3D Zeldas are devoid of challenge. WW took it ludicrously far.
Stating what the 'best' Nintendo game is is basically impossible. My favourites are:
Ocarina of Time,
Metroid Prime, and
Yoshi's Island
in some order.
In terms of advancing the medium, I think it's accepted that
Donkey Kong,
Super Mario Bros,
The Legend of Zelda,
Mario 64, and
Ocarina of Time
are their greatest games.
1. Applies to almost all Zelda games. Dungeons in Wind Waker were weaker than TP's by some distance.
2. Applies to every single Zelda game.
3. Yes, this was Wind Waker's strong point, until you realized how empty the Great Sea really was. The 'dice' islands were just terrible filler, and there was a fair bit of that stuff.
4. Applies to every single Zelda game, and almost every Nintendo game.
5. Yeah. No arguments there.
6. That's quite a drawback though, even if most 3D Zeldas are devoid of challenge. WW took it ludicrously far.
Stating what the 'best' Nintendo game is is basically impossible. My favourites are:
Ocarina of Time,
Metroid Prime, and
Yoshi's Island
in some order.
In terms of advancing the medium, I think it's accepted that
Donkey Kong,
Super Mario Bros,
The Legend of Zelda,
Mario 64, and
Ocarina of Time
are their greatest games.
ninjablade
Banned
wow you make the game sound like shit.
Dr. Buni
Member
It is also the worst 3D Zelda. Sadly because the game looks adorable.
Yeah it sure is lol
Mister Wilhelm
Member
I'm playing through it a second time right now and I completely disagree.
Brutal, but agree with most of this.
Brutal, but agree with most of this.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
It's the only 3D Zelda I ever liked, but I still didn't like it that much.
Barry Burton
Member
I disagree. Wind Waker is largely eye candy and its game design is incredibly dumbed down compared with both its predecessors and successors. Take away the gorgeous visuals, and there's just not much there.
It's closer to being one of their worst games than one of their best.
It's closer to being one of their worst games than one of their best.
Not even top 5 Nintendo GameCube game. Here are some better ones.
And that's not including F-Zero GX, which was Sega working on a Nintendo IP.
Windwaker is a charming but incomplete game. It's beautiful to look at and I think it has my favorite general feel in Zelda outside Majora's Mask, but the cut dungeons and obvious filler hurt it. It hurts to think of how much potential was wasted by Windwaker being rushed out for release.
- Metroid Prime (duh)
- Metroid Prime 2
- Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door
- Pikmin
- Pikmin 2
- Super Smash Bros Melee
- The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
- Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
And that's not including F-Zero GX, which was Sega working on a Nintendo IP.
Windwaker is a charming but incomplete game. It's beautiful to look at and I think it has my favorite general feel in Zelda outside Majora's Mask, but the cut dungeons and obvious filler hurt it. It hurts to think of how much potential was wasted by Windwaker being rushed out for release.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Not even the HD remaster could put it above Twilight Princess. And TP had a ton of issues in the beginning.
Neff
Member
It's the worst 3D Zelda and near the bottom of the ranking in the series for me. The Triforce hunt is a vile, sustained blight on a game already suffering significant pacing problems. The dungeons are unusually unmemorable too.
It's a good game in its own right, but it's lacking so much of the quality and content usually associated with Zelda, or Nintendo generally.
A shame, because the concept is superb, and with better dungeons, an expanded excursion under the sea and cut dungeons (later moved to Twilight Princess) replacing the Triforce maps, it could have been one of the best.
The best Nintendo games are, in order
A Link to the Past > Super Mario 64 > Super Mario World > Super Metroid > Link's Awakening
It's a good game in its own right, but it's lacking so much of the quality and content usually associated with Zelda, or Nintendo generally.
A shame, because the concept is superb, and with better dungeons, an expanded excursion under the sea and cut dungeons (later moved to Twilight Princess) replacing the Triforce maps, it could have been one of the best.
The best Nintendo games are, in order
A Link to the Past > Super Mario 64 > Super Mario World > Super Metroid > Link's Awakening
That's the case in most Zelda, except that in this case there's barely enough dungeon to compare to MM.
Pretty much any other Zelda (bar the DS Zeldas) are better in that regard.
The fact that the dungeons are braindead doesn't help.
For example in OoT, each dungeon is markedly different with a well defined theme that is never in your face but still there.
From the Castle in the forest, to the prison passing by the sluice.
they're made more to look like ancient places where the lurking evil perverted the place.
Compared to that WW is unimaginative and rather gamey.
No, they're not really.
It's the worst Zelda as far as this particular design is concerned this side of DS Zeldas.
Dear god, NO!
IT REALLY ISN'T!
Phantom Hourglass made it bearable,
Spirit Tracks doesn't even use this kind of shit.
This is used for padding at the worst possible moment, it's really horrible.
There's amazing tracks too bad they're not the ones you'll hear for 90% of the playthrough, kinda like Skyward with its orchestral soundtrack :/
Except for when she's put on a bus for the greater part of the game...not that she's that useful in game anyway.
She was more useful and overal better in Tetra's Trackers.
Out of the Nintendo made game of the GC I played, I think it's worst of them all, or I think Sunshine is worse...
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I'd have to go with Super Metroid OP.
Chû Totoro
Member
SunBroDave
Member
It's a good game for sure, but completely falls apart in the third act, when you have to find all of the triforce quest and then beat every boss in the game again.
SunBroDave
Member
Answering that would be too much for one post. A good place to start is that Majora's Mask is the only Zelda game with any original ideas.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Not even the best Zelda on the GameCube. Much like Super Mario Sunshine, the game was rushed out the door. And it shows. It looks good I guess...?
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Now that's just a dumb explanation. No other Zelda does original ideas?
Wind Waker is one of those Nintendo games that touches on a point I raised when critiquing Earthbound on here.
How do you deal with a situation where you can see tons of flaws in a game's mechanics and design, but the game is so charming that you enjoy it better than you would a similar game with better mechanics but less charm? How do you explain / justify that? Doesn't it lead to the conclusion that gameplay isn't the most important thing? That's something I find hard to accept - I almost always argue that gameplay is the most essential part of a video game.
But in the case of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, I think that in almost every area TP has WW beat, but the joy I felt while playing WW was incredible, while TP was just 'very good' or 'great'*. I far prefer WW. It's hard to make sense of that and hold the opinion that gameplay is king.
How do you deal with a situation where you can see tons of flaws in a game's mechanics and design, but the game is so charming that you enjoy it better than you would a similar game with better mechanics but less charm? How do you explain / justify that? Doesn't it lead to the conclusion that gameplay isn't the most important thing? That's something I find hard to accept - I almost always argue that gameplay is the most essential part of a video game.
But in the case of Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, I think that in almost every area TP has WW beat, but the joy I felt while playing WW was incredible, while TP was just 'very good' or 'great'*. I far prefer WW. It's hard to make sense of that and hold the opinion that gameplay is king.
Much more original structure, much more interesting world. It's my favorite Zelda because it's so damn weird in a good way. There are few games that have done time travel in as novel a way as Majora's Mask.
Nowhere near as original as Majora's Mask. Most games aren't as creative as Majora's Mask (which is funny when the game reuses so many assets).
Not even in my top 50 or my top 5 Zelda games. Too easy, too boring an overworld, the fetch quest at the end is horrible, not enough dungeons, and the sailing is very monotonous. The only thing that the game really excels at are the character expressions and sound effects. It nails the supplementals but falls way short on the fundamentals.
Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, Mario Galaxy 2, and Super Mario Kart are my top 5 in no particular order
Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, Mario Galaxy 2, and Super Mario Kart are my top 5 in no particular order
SerOnionKnight
Neo Member
remember when they first showed toon link and everyone was up in arms like how could they do this to us???? And now it is one of the best games they have ever made. Nintendo knows what they are doing when it comes to games. Now hardware and amiibos are another thing....
I'd say it's either OoT or Melee. Both of these games are still basically the best at what they do, nevermind what came before them.
I don't know. Even within the cel-shaded category I can think of better looking games (like Jet Grind Radio) that don't have all of the people looking like bug-eyed freaks.
SunBroDave
Member
Most of them follow a very, VERY similar structure. Not no original ideas at all, but in the grand scheme, they're very much the same game on a new platform.
I strongly disagree there.
The Great Sea theme (which you'll hear for like 90% of the game) is the best overworld theme in the series and one of my favorite Zelda tracks.
That aspect is by far the strongest positive for this game (alongside the artstyle).
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Its a great game but its not even close to being the best Nintendo has made.
They are are two games which used the same engine but have different priorities.
MM push more for NPCs interaction and adventure aspects, has a more personal (twisted) setting and the time manipulation can be seen as a hindrance or a strong feature depending on the player.
All of this render the game very divisive, some will love it to death others not so much.
OoT is a more balanced game (I still think it has the better pacing of any 3D Zelda games) and less divisive.
It's basically the template for any following 3D Zelda.
Hmm, Wind Waker was actually the only Zelda game I played that got me bored... It looked beautiful of course, but I really missed the sense of adventure that Ocarina and Twilight gave me. Also, I was never a big fan of the sailing, but that's a personal preference. Of course, it's still a very good game, but (imo) not the best of the series even.
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IAmRandom31
Banned
Uhhh .. no
Wind Waker has a cool art style that makes it look like you are playing a cartoon / anime Zelda game, but not even close to being the best Zelda game, let alone the best Nintendo game.
Game had pretty uninspired dungeon, same-ol-same ol gameplay. None of the locations were very large or had much to explore. The sea sections were pretty boring to explore, mostly with little islands with a single treasure or those watch towers with cannons all over the place.
Nah. It was cool. But no. Was also the easiest Zelda ever made. Beat the boss in the first try and didn't even get hit once, or even get close to being hit lol.
Wind Waker has a cool art style that makes it look like you are playing a cartoon / anime Zelda game, but not even close to being the best Zelda game, let alone the best Nintendo game.
Game had pretty uninspired dungeon, same-ol-same ol gameplay. None of the locations were very large or had much to explore. The sea sections were pretty boring to explore, mostly with little islands with a single treasure or those watch towers with cannons all over the place.
Nah. It was cool. But no. Was also the easiest Zelda ever made. Beat the boss in the first try and didn't even get hit once, or even get close to being hit lol.