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Windows 10 has been pretty solid for me. The only recurring problem I have with it is that it'll occasionally switch into tablet mode after downloading an update, which is a minor issue.

I honestly have more problems with third party software like anti-virus/firewalls breaking compatibility with my programs than Windows 10 breaking things.

If you're concerned about privacy, just download Destroy Windows 10 Spying, run it, and never worry again. It will break Bing search though.
 
Zeta Oni said:
Is it right? Well, its their ecosystem. I will say it is annoying.

But from my point of view, not doing it aggressively would see a large amount of people never even know there was an option to upgrade in the first place, much less actually do it. And that's worth the price of heated comments discussing it on forums.

Again, not exactly an expert on these things, but putting some thought into it, that's the conclusion id arrive at.
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I can't believe people actually defend their practices. They sneak in the win10 stuff as a security update so that you can't easily find and disable it. It plants itself in hidden directories taking up gigabytes of hd space.. and so on. To remove the constant popups and annoying messages you have to install third party tools or go digging in the registry. They even put a time limit on the free upgrade to further pressure customers.

And what does it matter if some computer illiterate people never upgrade? They probably only use it for internet browsing anyway and will get whatever upgrade with their next pc purchase. It's not an issue.
 
For those who are saying "I haven't heard of Win10 upgrading itself without asking, so that's FUD," here's what happened:

1. Win10 upgrade was previously considered an "optional" update, through the Windows update system.
2. Many people/businesses have their system set to automatically update "required" and "recommended" updates, as I believe that was the default setting in Win7/8.
3. In February, MS changed the status of the Win10 upgrade to "recommended."
4. They woke up one morning, and Windows had done all of the recommended updates (as usual), but since Win10 is now one of them...it upgraded their OS.

This exact path happened at my wife's work. They came in to a "Welcome to Windows 10!" screen. Broke all their Outlook email in the process.

I like Win10. It's a great OS (inasmuch as my only experience with it is on a dedicated gaming box.) The way it's being pushed/forced is the issue.
 
Skinpop said:
I can't believe people actually defend their practices. They sneak in the win10 stuff as a security update so that you can't easily find and disable it. It plants itself in hidden directories taking up gigabytes of hd space.. and so on. To remove the constant popups and annoying messages you have to install third party tools or go digging in the registry. They even put a time limit on the free upgrade to further pressure customers.

And what does it matter if some computer illiterate people never upgrade? They probably only use it for internet browsing anyway and will get whatever upgrade with their next pc purchase. It's not an issue.
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There is a difference between defending something and offering a simple perspective that doesn't match yours.

I get its intrusive, I get its "low", I get all that.

I'm only offering why I believe its being done, and I don't particularly care if you think that paints me in any particular light, especially when I never once said is was a good, nice, positive, or right thing to do.

and btw, it kinda is an issue when your level of success is determined by monthly active users, even if they only use the internet and look at photos. Still an active user, which is what MS is after.

And lets not pretend people who don't know shit about PC's are not a sizable portion of the overall pc user crowd that would be stupid to ignore.
 
GearDraxon said:
For those who are saying "I haven't heard of Win10 upgrading itself without asking, so that's FUD," here's what happened:

1. Win10 upgrade was previously considered an "optional" update, through the Windows update system.
2. Many people/businesses have their system set to automatically update "required" and "recommended" updates, as I believe that was the default setting in Win7/8.
3. In February, MS changed the status of the Win10 upgrade to "recommended."
4. They woke up one morning, and Windows had done all of the recommended updates (as usual), but since Win10 is now one of them...it upgraded their OS.

This exact path happened at my wife's work. They came in to a "Welcome to Windows 10!" screen. Broke all their Outlook email in the process.

I like Win10. It's a great OS (inasmuch as my only experience with it is on a dedicated gaming box.) The way it's being pushed/forced is the issue.
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I have seen the same/similar shit on my own pc, I had the update and the little reminder window in the taskbar for months. Few weeks ago there suddenly was a big window onscreen and a 1 hour countdown, if I hadn't seen that window (for whatever reasons) it would have installed the update without me knowing/doing anything. Now I have only the option to tell it when to install and it's always only in a window of 1 week. I expect the countdown to pop up again .
I'm thinking about deleting the upgrade file and just forgetting about Windows 10 at the moment.
 
Time only favours Windows 10. Eventually people will be forced to upgrade whether that from new hardware, outdated support for old operating systems or genuine interest
 
GearDraxon said:
For those who are saying "I haven't heard of Win10 upgrading itself without asking, so that's FUD," here's what happened:

1. Win10 upgrade was previously considered an "optional" update, through the Windows update system.
2. Many people/businesses have their system set to automatically update "required" and "recommended" updates, as I believe that was the default setting in Win7/8.
3. In February, MS changed the status of the Win10 upgrade to "recommended."
4. They woke up one morning, and Windows had done all of the recommended updates (as usual), but since Win10 is now one of them...it upgraded their OS.

This exact path happened at my wife's work. They came in to a "Welcome to Windows 10!" screen. Broke all their Outlook email in the process.

I like Win10. It's a great OS (inasmuch as my only experience with it is on a dedicated gaming box.) The way it's being pushed/forced is the issue.
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I really don't know how they haven't been sued around this. Disgusting practice.
 
I'm in the proud minority that reverted back to Windows 7 after installing Windows 10

Once MS lets me disable Aero we'll talk
 
Coincidentally I upgraded last week, and it was a flawless upgrade. Kept all my settings and little tweaks. Everything. Very impressed.

Even more impressed that I completely changed PC, ran Sysprep, put the old SSD into the new PC, then upgraded to Windows 10 and had no problems whatsoever.

I haven't installed an OS from scratch in about 6 years.
 
c0de said:
Didn't know people have to use every application that is pre installed on a computer.
Asus, Acer and all others seem to be happy that people actually use their pre installed software because what's installed has to be used.
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I have an Acer laptop myself, and I can remove their pre-installed software that I never use easily. The same doesn't apply to XB-related software, from what I've read. Seems like it's being pushed to the Windows users since the platforms' unification.


EDIT: On a side note, I hate Spotify and SingStar being pushed on PS4 and PS3 as well, and the fact I can't get rid off them. I dunno if the XB app and Cortana are as much in your face on W10 as they are, but the user should be able to remove them as well.
 
mileS said:
My machine is old now.
i5-750 @2.67ghz
4g RAM
ATI Radeon HD 5850 1g
Win 7

Worried it would not make a performance difference and just cause random errors with random games. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Is it worth the upgrade for me?
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If it helps, I put Window 10 on a Netbook we got back in like 2006... you know the really shitty ones with specs that seemed like they were from a decade earlier. It came with Windows 7 Starter and was slow as hell and took too long to do anything. Once it was on 10 it felt like it was given a hardware upgrade because the UI and functionality felt as smooth as my Desktop
 
Win 10 is for me , great for those who were stuck with the awefull win8 or 8.1

But for me on Win 7 pro , i can't upgrade yet ..there is just no positives for me.
 
Sora the Cat said:
I didn't even know I have Cortana lol and I never opened the XB app or saw it. I guess people are worried about the space the app take? Cause I guess it must be minimum.
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I was too slow to edit. =) So, your post confirms they're not as visible and intrusive as I thought they are. It's more about the principle, like being able to get rid off Explorer.
 
Auto-Reply said:
I can't complain about the speed of 7 though, if that is the only thing then I don't really see a reason to update... except to get rid of the constant force-update window.
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There's registry edits you can download to use to force those off.

Can't manually edit in regedit at least didn't work for me lol.

I don't have those notifications anymore.

I used the registry script on this page: http://www.askvg.com/how-to-remove-get-windows-10-app-and-its-icon-from-taskbar/
 
I'm not too surprised by this considering it's a free upgrade. Been using it since launch and found it less resource heavy than 7 was.
 
Melchiah said:
I was too slow to edit. =) So, your post confirms they're not as visible and intrusive as I thought they are. It's more about the principle, like being able to get rid off Explorer.
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Yeah, they are not intrusive, at all. But I get the principle thing, we should be able to easily uninstall those things if we want to.
 
Zeta Oni said:
and btw, it kinda is an issue when your level of success is determined by monthly active users, even if they only use the internet and look at photos. Still an active user, which is what MS is after.

And lets not pretend people who don't know shit about PC's are not a sizable portion of the overall pc user crowd that would be stupid to ignore.
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So you show the upgrade thing once, leave the user with an option to remove all things related and never see it again or be reminded at a later date. That's the only sane and respectful way to do it really. Users get to know about it and handle it how they see fit, instead of of ms pushing it so hard that people feel pressured to update or do so by mistake(which has happened to a lot of people, including two casual pc user friends of mine who most certainly did not want to upgrade).

What I take from your posts is that it's somehow a good thing that ms tricks and manipulates people into upgrading for profit.

People depend on windows for their livelihood and every day life, at this point it isn't just corporate software but IT infrastructure. It's not ok for a company in that position to be manipulative, sneaky or do scummy things at any level, yet they keep doing it and there seems to be no shortage of fans ready to defend them.
 
Tenebrous said:
I can live without having to tweak my screen settings for KI, being treated like a pirate for not always being connected for QB, and revisiting a game I played to death in 2006.

Too much hassle to move (having to backup my files & do a fresh install, then redownload games) for no gain to my daily computing experience.
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You can live with all that now, when it's been 9 months since Win10 release. Will you be able to live without what will come in the next 9 months? It won't always be this bumpy, devs will adapt, Win10 will be patched.
 
My laptop came with Windows 8.1 (7 would have required to pay extra), so 10 has been a great improvement for me. It actually remedied a few issues I had with 8.1.
 
I'm happy with windows 7 and i don't want to upgrade. I also don't like how windows 10 look, it's a cold looking OS that reminds me of a corporate/office setting or something and it's only a bit more fancy than Windows 98. Windows 7 look prettier and it's a more "cozy" OS for your home.

I know i will be forced to upgrade because of DirectX 12. That's why i look forward to Vulkan more.
 
dr_rus said:
You can live with all that now, when it's been 9 months since Win10 release. Will you be able to live without what will come in the next 9 months? It won't always be this bumpy, devs will adapt, Win10 will be patched.
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Yup, I'll be entirely fine.
 
Yautja_Warrior said:
Don't really get the hate for W10, it runs just as well as 7 & 8 if not a little better, I've had no problems with it since day 1.
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People who wear tinfoil hats think that MS is spying for the NSA and that W10 is their way of doing so.

These people also post every detail of their lives onto Facebook on a daily basis.
 
Well it was free and it wasn't windows 8 so that's why it is doing so well. I personally love using it and I am using it on all my windows machines right now.
 
I upgraded to win 10 cause why not? Until Vulkan (hopefully) gets more AA/AAA developers on Linux, Mint will just be my secondary boot, versus my main.
 
Melchiah said:
I have an Acer laptop myself, and I can remove their pre-installed software that I never use easily. The same doesn't apply to XB-related software, from what I've read. Seems like it's being pushed to the Windows users since the platforms' unification.


EDIT: On a side note, I hate Spotify and SingStar being pushed on PS4 and PS3 as well, and the fact I can't get rid off them. I dunno if the XB app and Cortana are as much in your face on W10 as they are, but the user should be able to remove them as well.
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You can turn off Cortana on the task bar as well as in her settings so that she is only a search box for your computer. As for Xbox, you can unpin the app and forget it ever exists, or I believe run a Powershell command to remove the Xbox App completely (also works for the Windows Store)
 
Yautja_Warrior said:
Don't really get the hate for W10, it runs just as well as 7 & 8 if not a little better, I've had no problems with it since day 1.
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By installing Windows 10 you surrender control over 1000$ + hardware to corporation who can force upgrades to your pc without your consent and again without your consent will mess with drivers or can uninstall applications Microsoft doesn't like.
 
Can you guys hear that?

It's the sound of Microsoft's digital walls getting activated and beginning to slowly close off the ecosystem.

/s. I like Win10 so far. I upgraded for Hitman DX12, getting great performance too.
 
killer rin said:
You can turn off Cortana on the task bar as well as in her settings so that she is only a search box for your computer. As for Xbox, you can unpin the app and forget it ever exists, or I believe run a Powershell command to remove the Xbox App completely (also works for the Windows Store)
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Thanks for the info. I'll try to remember that, when I update the OS in the summer.
 
michaelius said:
By installing Windows 10 you surrender control over 1000$ + hardware to corporation who can force upgrades to your pc without your consent and again without your consent will mess with drivers or can uninstall applications Microsoft doesn't like.
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This hasn't happened yet, and if it does happen I can always uninstall it.
 
michaelius said:
By installing Windows 10 you surrender control over 1000$ + hardware to corporation who can force upgrades to your pc without your consent and again without your consent will mess with drivers or can uninstall applications Microsoft doesn't like.
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Uhh, no. Because if anything like that ever happens (big "if" on that one), you can always format your hard drive and put something else on it.

Seriously, come on. No one is surrendering anything.
 
impact said:
I'm in the proud minority that reverted back to Windows 7 after installing Windows 10

Once MS lets me disable Aero we'll talk
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Huh? This is the only remnant of Aero left and you've been able to disable it from day 1:

windows-10-settings-personalization-colors.jpg
 
The most...delicate version of Windows I've seen since 98. Things just stop working, sometimes rebooting helps, sometimes it doesn't.

Problems I've had with Windows 10:

- window snapping using Windows Key - arrows just stops working completely until I reboot, then sometimes it works again
- drag and drop stops working, sometimes if I hit Escape, it'll start working again, but not a given
- the Windows 10 store just stopped working completely for me until I reinstalled Windows completely. Spent hours ahead of time on the Technet forums looking for a solution, and in the end even a "MS Expert" said reinstalling was the only known option
- Windows 10 will randomly just disallow Steam from connecting to the Steam servers. Steam will tell me I can play offline or quit. Known issue, Steam is added to the firewall, but usually it ends with me uninstalling and reinstalling Steam
- eternal shut down/reboot until I manually hit the reset button on the PC, even if I've shut down everything in Windows beforehand

This is just a list of the things I can come up with on the fly that have happened. I ran Windows 7 for 2-3 years at a time without resorting to reinstalling to fix issues. I've reinstalled Windows 10 3 times since it's been out to fix issues that have come up.

Edit: Let me also say I do like the OS, I just find a lot about it feels like it's balanced on the head of a pin as far as maturity and stability goes.
 
Glad people are happy with W10, I prefer to sit on the second version of an OS for a little while. I'm perfectly happy with 8.1(essentially W9) though for the time being.
 
Krakn3Dfx said:
The most...delicate version of Windows I've seen since 98. Things just stop working, sometimes rebooting helps, sometimes it doesn't.

Problems I've had with Windows 10:

- window snapping using Windows Key - arrows just stops working completely until I reboot, then sometimes it works again
- drag and drop stops working, sometimes if I hit Escape, it'll start working again, but not a given
- the Windows 10 store just stopped working completely for me until I reinstalled Windows completely. Spent hours ahead of time on the Technet forums looking for a solution, and in the end even a "MS Expert" said reinstalling was the only known option
- Windows 10 will randomly just disallow Steam from connecting to the Steam servers. Steam will tell me I can play offline or quit. Known issue, Steam is added to the firewall, but usually it ends with me uninstalling and reinstalling Steam
- eternal shut down/reboot until I manually hit the reset button on the PC, even if I've shut down everything in Windows beforehand

This is just a list of the things I can come up with on the fly that have happened. I ran Windows 7 for 2-3 years at a time without resorting to reinstalling to fix issues. I've reinstalled Windows 10 3 times since it's been out to fix issues that have come up.

Edit: Let me also say I do like the OS, I just find a lot about it feels like it's balanced on the head of a pin as far as maturity and stability goes.
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None of these is happening on my system. Most of these sounds like issues of your hardware / particular install.
 
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