UWP exclusivity confirmed
http://www.windowscentral.com/game-mode-windows-10-will-power-xbox-one-project-scorpio
(not sure if it deserves own topic)
Microsoft :
UWP exclusivity confirmed
http://www.windowscentral.com/game-mode-windows-10-will-power-xbox-one-project-scorpio
(not sure if it deserves own topic)
it's almost like they're bolting on features that don't have to be UWP exclusive while ignoring the massive fundamental problems that people have with the platform
Well if you make it hard for yourself then its probably trash yeah.
This is always a fantastic argument.
Imagine if someone released a flagship smartphone in 2017 which couldn't install 3rd party applications and defended with "Well neither could the iPhone when it launched!"
If that was the goal, then why can't I sign my own UWA's with a user able to easily add me as a trusted source? Why can't I personally give specific applications the ability to hook into others? Why can't I look at and manipulate the data files residing on my own computer?I used to think that, but to be honest, with a lot of the OSS moves Microsoft has made (.Net Core, VS Code on Linux), the cultural changes and shift Satya Nadella has moved Microsoft in I truly think it's more "Microsoft want to offer a curated, safe computing environment" as an alternative.
Cause they want to play politics with the good tech they make. This is just as bad as them gimping DX10/11 by making it exclusive despite no need for it. We all know it's bullshit because vulkan works on XP to Windows 10.
it's almost like they're bolting on features that don't have to be UWP exclusive while ignoring the massive fundamental problems that people have with the platform
That is a weird argument because you are no suggesting that windows 10 won't allow you to install ANY software onto it unless it's via the Windows store...
"MS needs to improve UWA/Windows store if they want anyone to ever use it."
MS adds a feature to "improve" it
"No way in hell am I using their UWA shit"
MS makes it available for all
"Why would I use W10 store over steam?"
seems like MS can't win no matter what
Except that some do have to be, at least until they decide to give more resources to port to win32. This feature for instance was developed on uwp by the xbox guys and it's being brought to pc on uwp. A platform that was created precisely to enable those scenarios.
Well if you make it hard for yourself then its probably trash yeah.
That is a weird argument because you are no suggesting that windows 10 won't allow you to install ANY software onto it unless it's via the Windows store...
thing is Win 32 was fairly superior to Win16 ... UWA on other hand seems much worse (just look at updating of 52gb uwa apps o FH3) to be going different direction aka being great for mobile/tablet devs , but insane annoyance to end-user ... let alone the heresy called modderExcept, you know, the stuff that won't end up back-ported to Win32, and will require, sooner or later, UWP as a minimum target for implementation., Win32's time may not be done for several years, but there was a time they said the same about Win16 stuff, that's gone, the same will happen with Win32 one day, that's progress.
well saidSimple: Make UWP on par with Win32 before you start tacking on (likely to be) nothing features. The current benefits of UWP (security/convenience/updates) fall flat when the gamers Microsoft are trying to woo are savvy enough that these perks can be negated/have superior alternatives in Win32 with a little work and the negatives aren't worth it. They're trying to sell XBox features to a PC market instead of giving the PC market what they want/expect, aka the Microsoft protocol for PC gaming.
And also if you don't ,)
Of course, all these reported W10 issues are made up by aeolist.
Dolby Atmos support is hitting Win10 in the Creators Update because of Xbone as well.
Watch them restrict it to only games off the windows store
Is there any doubt otherwise?
Simple: Make UWP on par with Win32 before you start tacking on (likely to be) nothing features. The current benefits of UWP (security/convenience/updates) fall flat when the gamers Microsoft are trying to woo are savvy enough that these perks can be negated/have superior alternatives in Win32 with a little work and the negatives aren't worth it. They're trying to sell XBox features to a PC market instead of giving the PC market what they want/expect, aka the Microsoft protocol for PC gaming.
If by stream you mean the stream of shit that Microsoft has consistently served up to PC gamers then I'm in agreement.
This move will only serve to shoot themselves in the foot further.
If they want to shut down, then sure.
If that was the goal, then why can't I sign my own UWA's with a user able to easily add me as a trusted source? Why can't I personally give specific applications the ability to hook into others? Why can't I look at and manipulate the data files residing on my own computer?
Microsoft doesn't appear to be wanting to make computing safer for me.
They appear to want to make my own computer "safe" from me. That is utterly unacceptable.
Of course, all these reported W10 issues are made up by aeolist.
All reported issues? I commented on that one specific install problem.
If someone can't find a particular bundle of a game on the Win10 Store they're doing something very, very wrong.
And if they're installing things via the store pages, they're literally just making things harder for themselves, since there's a full list of everything you own, with one-click install available, in your Library.
If that was the goal, then why can't I sign my own UWA's with a user able to easily add me as a trusted source?
Non-store uwp application must still be submitted to Microsoft
False. An app that is not published to the store is signed locally using the signtool.exe utility from the windows sdk. Signing is done via a standard x509 certificate that can also be created locally with the makecert utility included in the Windows Sdk.
In order to install Non-store uwp apps, users must manually change their settings and accept security prompts
False. Prior to the windows 10 november update, the default setting in windows was to only install uwp apps from the store. Since then the default is now to allow other apps by default. Even so however, this setting is just a registry key and can be set by any app with appropriate privileges without any prompts. The standalone msi and appx installer in this repo sets these keys transparently from the user. When trusting an untrusted certificate, a uac prompt is required but this is not related to the universal windows platform.
Why can't I personally give specific applications the ability to hook into others? Why can't I look at and manipulate the data files residing on my own computer?
Microsoft doesn't appear to be wanting to make computing safer for me.
They appear to want to make my own computer "safe" from me. That is utterly unacceptable.
Microsoft doesn't appear to be wanting to make computing safer for me.
They appear to want to make my own computer "safe" from me. That is utterly unacceptable.
As long as this doesn't effect those who don't want to use the windows store then I don't have an issue with it. Let them do whatever they want with their ecosystem.
Collingwood said:I'm still trying to understand why this is such a terrible thing that's causing angst.
Isn't game mode effectively a task manager that shuts down processes to help a game run better? If so, are people upset because they DON'T want Game mode to be exclusive to Windows Store games?
It seems to me (with my limited knowledge of PC stuff), that most of the people that would actually be affected in any way by this, would have a PC powerful enough to the point where Game Mode would be rendered worthless anyway.
So again, what's the issue here?
Yeah, technically except nobody would ever do that unless they absolutely had to. So you win, technically.You're confusing UWP and Windows Store benefits.
Remember: UWP can be deployed ANYWHERE (technically), even Steam.
The Windows Store has a lot more problems (a lot of junk, confusing interface, download difficulties, etc.) than UWP itself.
Yeah, technically except nobody would ever do that unless they absolutely had to. So you win, technically.
"MS needs to improve UWA/Windows store if they want anyone to ever use it."
MS adds a feature to "improve" it
"No way in hell am I using their UWA shit"
MS makes it available for all
"Why would I use W10 store over steam?"
seems like MS can't win no matter what
For just around $270 you'll get your money back with at least three good exclusives. Just sayin.No, that's okay. I'll just ignore the few worthwhile MS exclusives there are. Steam continues to be the best.
I wonder what Tim Sweeney makes of this. Or Valve for that matter. Sounds like a neat vector to make OS level gaming improvements in Windows UWP only.
People know you dont need the windows store to distribute UWP right?
I know the store has its problems but why the fuck would people want less competition?
If it blows dont use it, force them to improve it till its better. If its good, dope, maybe itll force competitors to make there products better.
this is tired as shit by now but does everybody forget when everyone HATED THE SHIT out of a steam?
I wonder what Tim Sweeney makes of this. Or Valve for that matter. Sounds like a neat vector to make OS level gaming improvements in Windows UWP only.
If someone can't find a particular bundle of a game on the Win10 Store they're doing something very, very wrong.
And if they're installing things via the store pages, they're literally just making things harder for themselves, since there's a full list of everything you own, with one-click install available, in your Library.
I'm still trying to understand why this is such a terrible thing that's causing angst.
Isn't game mode effectively a task manager that shuts down processes to help a game run better? If so, are people upset because they DON'T want Game mode to be exclusive to Windows Store games?
It seems to me (with my limited knowledge of PC stuff), that most of the people that would actually be affected in any way by this, would have a PC powerful enough to the point where Game Mode would be rendered worthless anyway. Which means it doesn't affect them. Anyone else wouldn't notice.
So again, what's the issue here?
This means that developers using Game Mode enabled UWP today to build games for Xbox One at 900-1080p and up to 4K for Windows 10 PCs are ready to deploy those games for Project Scorpio, with over 95% of the existing project code intact. This could explain why we're already seeing major players jump on the UWA-train, with Resident Evil 7 set for a Windows 10 Store debut on January 24th, 2017. If it is a Game Mode enabled UWA, Resident Evil 7 is ready for true 4K on Project Scorpio as a result, unpacking its 4K PC textures and settings when it installs on the console.
Bingo.
Easy: It's Windows Store thread. Even when people have reasonable objections to what MS is doing (which there was a lot, the list is dwindling but a lot of work for them to do), you get people who have no reason to be mad but fanboyism (in my opinion at least) occurs in threads like this.
You're confusing UWP and Windows Store benefits.
Remember: UWP can be deployed ANYWHERE (technically), even Steam.
The Windows Store has a lot more problems (a lot of junk, confusing interface, download difficulties, etc.) than UWP itself.
it's almost like they're bolting on features that don't have to be UWP exclusive while ignoring the massive fundamental problems that people have with the platform
I will bring up the information when I get home and describe the problem and, as an Ultimate Edition owner, you may not experience this but IIRC as a standard owner only...if you click on the standard edition, it takes you to a page that says that it's part of a bundle from which you cannot install the product so you have to go to the bundle page and then click on the standard game to be able to actually get an install option.
Dead feature before it's even out.
Impressive, MS.
Bingo.
Easy: It's Windows Store thread. Even when people have reasonable objections to what MS is doing (which there was a lot, the list is dwindling but a lot of work for them to do), you get people who have no reason to be mad but fanboyism (in my opinion at least) occurs in threads like this.
Said this in the Scorpio thread as it was posted there, but I can imagine this game mode being MS' big picture equivalent. As in, the Xbox UI on PC.
Can imagine that is why it's UWP exclusive.