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Why is it so hard for microsoft and to a certain extent google in relation to updating the os yet with the iPhone.....it seems to be no problem at all?

What do the carriers have to lose?
 
My HD7 should be here on Monday. Excited to finally be phasing out my old Windows Mobile 6 Samsung Ace. Zune software is ready to go since I have owned a 120GB for some time now, it's gonna be hard fitting my favorites on less than 16GB, but it should be fine since it's not gonna be my primary player. So will this thing do EVERYTHING a Zune HD can do?
 
jey_16 said:
Why is it so hard for microsoft and to a certain extent google in relation to updating the os yet with the iPhone.....it seems to be no problem at all?

What do the carriers have to lose?
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But it truly is a carrier thing. They already have a hard time to push updates to their Android handsets. I think it was the AT&T version of the Galaxy S that still runs Android 2.1. I can see why Microsoft has a hard time to push out one update to 9 devices, at the same time, on different carriers world wide. We don't even know if the rumored date (March 8) is for the US only or world wide.

SlaughterX said:
My HD7 should be here on Monday. Excited to finally be phasing out my old Windows Mobile 6 Samsung Ace. Zune software is ready to go since I have owned a 120GB for some time now, it's gonna be hard fitting my favorites on less than 16GB, but it should be fine since it's not gonna be my primary player. So will this thing do EVERYTHING a Zune HD can do?
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Congrats to your HD7.

It almost does everything a Zune HD can do. Only two features missing are Smart DJ on the device and the screensaver.
 
jey_16 said:
Why is it so hard for microsoft and to a certain extent google in relation to updating the os yet with the iPhone.....it seems to be no problem at all?

What do the carriers have to lose?
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iPhone have 1 phone and 1 carrier (well now 2) and they are also "Apple" they get to dictate the term.

Why would carrier, OEM want to block update well simply because they want to make you upgrade to the new phone. Also carrier claim they don't have resource to deal with problem if the update cause problem to the phone.

I remember when the iPhone got the first update, it "brick" my phone and I have to call Apple to get the phone working. I call At&t first and they basically told me that's not our problem and the rep told me frankly they know nothing about the iPhone and can't help me with it even if he want to. How thing change in just few years.
 
antiquegamer said:
Why would carrier, OEM want to block update well simply because they want to make you upgrade to the new phone. Also carrier claim they don't have resource to deal with problem if the update cause problem to the phone.

I remember when the iPhone got the first update, it "brick" my phone and I have to call Apple to get the phone working. I call At&t first and they basically told me that's not our problem and the rep told me frankly they know nothing about the iPhone and can't help me with it even if he want to. How thing change in just few years.
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But Microsoft is in exactly the same situation and they want it that way. They take full responsibility for phone updates and I guess that's the reason for the lack of OTA updates. It will only work via the Zune software client for now.

btw, if you still wanna know what the last Zune update was for:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2498092
 
antiquegamer said:
iPhone have 1 phone and 1 carrier (well now 2) and they are also "Apple" they get to dictate the term.

Why would carrier, OEM want to block update well simply because they want to make you upgrade to the new phone. Also carrier claim they don't have resource to deal with problem if the update cause problem to the phone.

I remember when the iPhone got the first update, it "brick" my phone and I have to call Apple to get the phone working. I call At&t first and they basically told me that's not our problem and the rep told me frankly they know nothing about the iPhone and can't help me with it even if he want to. How thing change in just few years.
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They have 2 iPhones (3 phones actually for a major OS revision), 3 iPod Touch and now 2 iPads. They also support the phone on many carriers around the world, more than Microsoft actually. I think the reasons are that Apple fought for their update autonomy from carriers, their phones don't come preloaded with any carrier or OEM apps and all the updates come through apple's own channel (a tethered itunes update) not OTA.

Micrsoft promised small bug fixes would be OTA and bigger updates would be via Zune desktop so I was expecting a situation comparable to iOS for Windows Phone 7. I guess reality caught up with them. :(
 
Charred Greyface said:
They have 2 iPhones (3 phones actually for a major OS revision), 3 iPod Touch and now 2 iPads. They also have many carriers in the world, more than Microsoft actually. I think the reasons are that Apple fought for their update autonomy from carriers, their phones don't come preloaded with any carrier or OEM apps and all the updates come through apple's own channel (a tethered itunes update) not OVA.

Micrsoft promised small bug fixes would be OVA and bigger updates would be via Zune desktop so I was expecting a situation comparable to iOS for Windows Phone 7. I guess reality caught up with them. :(
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Nobody says Apple doesn't have the same problem to get all the carriers lined up for the updates, but they announce dates and details when they sorted everything out (i.e. one week before launch). MS had to talk about the update early because they're under pressure and when they did, it was basically ready, just waiting for approval for the carriers. Clearly a mistake on their side and I hope they learned that lesson.

edit: removed the bullshit part.
edit2: and posted the official MWC app
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25920142&postcount=74
 
Sony Ericsson's PlayStation certified Xperia Play will be available in early spring at Verizon. Where are the Xbox Live enabled WP7 devices again?

And some quotes from Elop's Nokia keynote:

"We are the partner who will bring innovation in design and hardware to make great mobile products with Windows Phone -- and we've already started. We've had teams working together in interesting places such as Reykjavik, for example, and they're meeting to decide the timing of the first Windows Phone product."

"My boss has told me he would be much happier if that time was in 2011."

mwc201120110213082.jpg


Question is whether Nokia would prefer to be the sole supplier of Windows Phone devices. Elop: "Great question. What's best for Nokia is an environment with multiple competitors creating an ecosystem." Pretty straightforward -- he doesn't want to be the only maker of Windows Phone 7 devices. That being said, as we achieve our first priority of beating Android, we'll be competing within the Windows Phone ecosystem, and that's fair."

Elop says that it makes sense for a "single infrastructure" to exist for selling apps, which would be why the Nokia content environment will live within the Windows Phone Marketplace. He says that Nokia's contributing its strong carrier billing relationships around the world to that.

"Part of what I want to do at Nokia is make sure that when we announce a date, we're absolutely sure about that date." He's also saying -- and this is something we've heard before from VP Savander -- that he's trying to reduce the time between announcement and launch.
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i just realized that the two concepts are different. which nokia model do you guys like? wow, just noticed the screen size difference too, one looks 3.5-3.7" while the other looks 4.0-4.5".

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brotkasten said:
Nobody says Apple doesn't have the same problem to get all the carriers lined up for the updates, but they announce dates and details when they sorted everything out (i.e. one week before launch). MS had to talk about the update early because they're under pressure and when they did, it was basically ready, just waiting for approval for the carriers. Clearly a mistake on their side and I hope they learned that lesson.
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I don't think Apple needs carrier approval. They are not doing OTA updates. They obviously cooperate on some major networks for QA testing, but in many parts of the world, you can go to Apple and buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on any GSM network, even ones that don't have carrier agreements with Apple. You can go into the Beijing Apple Store and buy the iPhone 4 and then use it on China Mobile, which Apple doesn't have a carrier agreement with, and firmware updates from iTunes will come as usual. I used a Hong Kong iPhone 4 in China before it was released in China, and still got firmware updates; now using the same phone on TMobile USA, and still get updates. They've also pushed out releases really fast in the past--I think it was 1 week after the jailbreakme.com exploit came out that they pushed out the new firmware.
 
numble said:
I don't think Apple needs carrier approval. They are not doing OTA updates. They obviously cooperate on some major networks for QA testing, but in many parts of the world, you can go to Apple and buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on any GSM network, even ones that don't have carrier agreements with Apple. You can go into the Beijing Apple Store and buy the iPhone 4 and then use it on China Mobile, which Apple doesn't have a carrier agreement with, and firmware updates from iTunes will come as usual. I used a Hong Kong iPhone 4 in China before it was released in China, and still got firmware updates; now using the same phone on TMobile USA, and still get updates. They've also pushed out releases really fast in the past--I think it was 1 week after the jailbreakme.com exploit came out that they pushed out the new firmware.
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I guess you're right. Microsoft is able to push out updates to unlocked devices as well, but they're not doing it for some reason or another.

thirty said:
i just realized that the two concepts are different. which nokia model do you guys like? wow, just noticed the screen size difference too, one looks 3.5-3.7" while the other looks 4.0-4.5".

nokia-wp7-concept-02-13-2011.jpg


11x0211nokiaconcept.jpg
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Good find. I like the phones in the second pic more.
PG2G said:
Both look like fairly low end phones, IMO.
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I don't see it. If they're gonna use aluminum and gorilla glass like on the N8, I don't see them as low and phones. Maybe it's the color? Or is it the shiny plastic render?
 
brotkasten said:
I don't see it. If they're gonna use aluminum and gorilla glass like on the N8, I don't see them as low and phones. Maybe it's the color? Or is it the shiny plastic render?
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They look like they'd be plastic, I guess we'll see as things move on. Would also expect a more capable looking camera on the high end.

The second phone is like a 90% match for a Samsung Focus, but with color.
 
Anyone figured out a way to stream Sirius XM radio to their phone? I've tried a couple apps in concert with this software on my PC. Pissed that Sirius has an app for Iphone, BB & Android and not WP7.
 
thirty said:
i just realized that the two concepts are different. which nokia model do you guys like? wow, just noticed the screen size difference too, one looks 3.5-3.7" while the other looks 4.0-4.5".

nokia-wp7-concept-02-13-2011.jpg


11x0211nokiaconcept.jpg
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I would have dropped my focus in a second for the engadget render. I will keep it if the render nokia showed at their mwc presentation is the real one. I do think it is more likely to be the one released because it was put out there by nokia (vs a leak) and it looks more realistic (having a large bezel around the screen, smaller screen and it looks a bit thicker).

Still would MUCH prefer to see the leaked render be the one released. (the second one) I do have some hope because both screenshots are on nokia's website.
 
thirty said:
i just realized that the two concepts are different. which nokia model do you guys like? wow, just noticed the screen size difference too, one looks 3.5-3.7" while the other looks 4.0-4.5".

nokia-wp7-concept-02-13-2011.jpg


11x0211nokiaconcept.jpg
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Neither of those designs appear significantly better than what we already have. Do those phones even have camera buttons?!
 
Except the damn thing is like an ice cube and I still can't find a decent case for it!

I'm all for premium finishes but there has to be compromise somewhere, you've gotta be able to hold the thing.
 
The UI is almost entirely lag free. It lags in rare moments in navigation to various areas of the phone, but for the most part it's blazing fast and aesthetically pleasing.

That's the big thing over android at least for me. The Zune integration is excellent.. music experience is on another level entirely from both iOS and Android.

For me, the most common purpose for customization in android was to get quicker access to information via widgets or to improve UI response (replacement launchers, etc.).

With my windows phone device, I don't feel the need to do that. There's very little wasted space, so I am always feeling like my screen space is maximized, my applications are front and center with nothing in the way (I love that the signal, wifi and battery indicators slide up out of the way leaving just the time in the top right), the lock screen contains all of the information I need at a glance (number of calls and voice mails, number of e-mails from each mail account, number of text messages, next calendar appointment and current date and time)


Here's a short list of why I prefer WP7 to android device that I've used -

1. Extremely fast
2. slick UI, lots of "glance-able" information
3. Call handling, phone app truly runs in the background as an overlay to whatever you're doing, so it doesn't kick you out of your game or web browser, it simply handles the call as an overlay to what you're doing and leaves you right where you were when the call is handled.
3. Access to Zune music (downloads artist bios, makes it easy to find additional albums by that person)

Those are my primary points of WP7 love.

What I like better about android -

1. notifications
2. ability to tinker with custom roms, etc.
3. Multitasking

Once microsoft addresses some of the "missing" features, WP7 will be an even better platform than it already is, but even right now I'd put it ahead of android in terms of the quality of the user experience.
 
I agree with the above, though I hope next Zune update we get way to easily arrange icon on start screen. (Unless there's a way and I don't know). It's getting cumbersome to move those tiles up and down.
 
I was excited about android until I started using it on a regular basis. I'm not sure if it's because I had gotten so used to iOS but everything seemed out of order and not where you would expect them to be and the five home screens was not that appealing. This was a stock htc desire so maybe there are better customizations but the ease of use was not there for me personally, it may just take more time to pick up though.

WP7 seems like a good compromise between the two so I'll be considering it when I'm due for a new phone in a few months...
 
Someone had better "live post" the MWC keynote for those of us that have to work and can't watch! (But can check the GAF every minute)
 
jagowar said:
Multitasking for WP7 confirmed for 2011. That is pretty huge news.
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Imo not surprising. I guess it's coming with the Mango update.

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Also, first update in "early March", still no date.

Annnd Twitter is finally in.
 
Hypertrooper said:
Every model will get MT, right? My HTC 7 Mozart, too?
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That's the point of min spec requirements. ;) So yes.
"Update we'll making available later this year to all WP7 users."

Uhhh, new demo of a new build.

edit: Nooo! My stream died!
 
giga said:
They moved the address bar to the bottom?

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/SlideShow/2011/Images/02-14MWC_IEMobile_print.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/SlideShow/2011/Images/02-14MWC_PeopleHub_Twitter_print.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Yes they did. Interesting. And God yes, finally a bigger refresh button.

Belfiore is now talking about IE9.
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