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Even if it's still a first-gen device, I'd probably drop my Optimus 7 for this one:

htc%20prime.jpg

It looks like HTC has a new Windows Phone 7 to unveil to the world, perhaps come CTIA. We first heard tell of the Prime earlier today when the phone showed up in Telstra's inventory system. Chinese site XDA.cn is listing the Prime as having a 3.7" WVGA display with 512MB of RAM, a 5MP camera, plus LED flash. With the Prime, it looks like HTC is introducing a new style of keyboard that differs from the current crop of slide-out QWERTY devices like the Desire Z/T-Mobile G2 and 7 Pro. They keys are oval shaped instead of rectangular.
PocketNow: HTC Prime: Windows Phone 7 QWERTY Slider?

Finally a WP7 from HTC that I like.

edit:
There's even more:
htc-ignite.jpg

HTC may be preparing its sixth Windows Phone 7 device, codenamed HTC Ignite, according to Chinese site XDA.cn. However, there are several discrepencies in the alleged specs listed for the rumored handset, most notably its supposed use of an 800MHz processor and resistive touch screen -- both of which would fall outside of the Chassis 1 requirements as stipulated by Microsoft. The rest of the supposed features, including 3.7-inch WVGA display, 512MB of RAM, and a five-megapixel camera, do fall in line with existing WP7 hardware.

However, before we go dismissing this report as fake, it's important to note that "HTC Ignite" also shows up as a model on UK etailer King of Gadgets -- alongside the HTC Prime, which we saw in Telstra's internal system earlier today. It's also possible that the initial source of the image and info didn't have all the facts straight, or that we're looking at one of the first Chassis 2 devices (which might explain the processor speed but not the resistive screen).

We're told to expect the Ignite in "mid-2011," although its characterization as a "flagship phone" also seems off.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-ignite-upcoming-windows-phone-7-photo

btw, does anyone here have the slightest idea what this event today is about?
http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/45617-microsoft-to-make-major-announcement-march-15

antiquegamer said:
I don't know why is there anything to debate, the block post by Microsoft engineer already confirm as much. Carrier do block the update. According to MS guy post, carrier can set the date when update can be deploy (ie they can delay it), bundle up the update (ie they can block one update and force the update to the next cycle) and at the end he said, everyone will "eventually" get the update. So it could be like Android where a year later you get to update your device when all the newer one already sport the latest OS version.

People on various site keep bashing Paul Thurot but at least he's not spineless and don't mind standing up to Microsoft. The guy that make Weave app (which I like a lot) twitter that they drop his site (windows site not win 7 secrets) from their news feed. How stupid. He is a pundit, that is what he suppose to do.

If MS want us early adopters to evangelized the platform then they need to give us good reason to be excited about it. I was, but not any more.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I can see why people think that Thurrot is a whiny bitch and I agree with them, but I'm glad about that. Thurrot is well known for his opinions on MS, he has sources and friends at Redmond and I think that complains from guys like him have far more weight than the usual jab from blogs like Engadget. He can be quite the apologist when it comes to Microsoft (he even gave the WHS team a pass for dropping the Drive Extender), so I hope that his bitching will lead to something.
 
Hammer24 said:
BTW, I still have the Zune software unlock for Germany, in case you still need it.
Oh, you're from Germany too? I already have the unlock, but could you check if that video works on your phone, please?
 
brotkasten said:
btw, does anyone here have the slightest idea what this event today is about? http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/45617-microsoft-to-make-major-announcement-march-15

No clue. People thought it might have been an IE9 thing, but it's already out and all. I figured it was just something else that most consumers won't care about, but could be something niche for the SXSW Interactive crowd.

I heard about the event I think it was last week, but I never heard an update. Are we sure the even is even still gonna take place?
 
Brettison said:
No clue. People thought it might have been an IE9 thing, but it's already out and all. I figured it was just something else that most consumers won't care about, but could be something niche for the SXSW Interactive crowd.

I heard about the event I think it was last week, but I never heard an update. Are we sure the even is even still gonna take place?
IE9 was officially released this morning.
 
IE9 is nice, I love the Windows 7 integration. I really feel like MS is on a roll with their consumer products. I think Windows 7, Xbox, Kinect, and WP7 are all stellar products. WP7 definitely needs some iterations and they obviously aren't coming fast enough right now.


jmdajr said:
I guess Verizon is still only getting the Trophy phone .

Reviews on that weren't so hot.

I don't know anything about the phone, maybe someone else can fill you in, and I already gave you my thoughts on what you should look for in general, but let me get a bit more specific.

Last year, I had all three major phone operating systems. iPhone is fantastic, there are no two ways about it. It deserves a ton of credit for what it did to smartphones, and Apple has made key improvements throughout its lifespan. As a blanket statement, and without knowing anything about a person, I would recommend an iPhone to them if anyone asked about smartphones. I left that platform for various reasons, but mainly from sheer boredom, for as much as Apple has improved their software, the interface has remained the same the entire time. Perfectly understandable from their end, but it grew stale for me after almost two years of usage.

Android adds widgets, customization, and flash to the formula. It's a good iPhone replacement for the most part, but it does lack refinement, it lacks cohesiveness, and it's in many cases frustrating to use. Most manufacturers load it with custom UI's that just slow the phone, and you can mitigate that to some extent, but its still annoying. You can find alternatives to just about anything, but (imo) very few things feel complete or as refined.

Most people would do equally well with either of those platforms. Then there's WP7. It is better integrated than Android or iPhone in terms of core apps (Music, Contacts, Games, Pictures) because it leverages Zune, Xbox, Office, and the cloud. The OS has the cohesion of iPhone, with additional functionality in what the icons can do, without actually having the full functionality of Android. Still, it's a new platform and therefore has some maturing to do before it reaches important feature parity (mainly multi-tasking and html5 browser). Even for those of us who knew that going in, the wait for updates is excruciating, mainly because of random bugs that are typical for any 1.0 product.

One more thing, hardware is simply not as important as software in smartphones. Fancy specs are, oftentimes in Android, wasted on old OS builds and crappy UIs. If you go iPhone, you wait for the latest version, if you Android, you go for the latest OS build, and in WP7, you go for your favorite form factor (if you have options). FWIW, I get pissed at MS for the slow updates, and then contemplate sticking my sim in my Nexus One (running gingerbread). But I just can't pull the trigger yet, and that says a ton about WP7.
 
Copernicus said:
I think you just want to be leader of the auto bots.

He should keep both then and combine them to make Optimus Prime. Yeah, I did go there.

Anyway, IGN app got update today and fix some of the problem of formating. Flikr, since the update, I keep getting the black screen that it was suppose to fix. I might uninstall and see if that fix the problem.
 
snap0212 said:
Oh, you're from Germany too? I already have the unlock, but could you check if that video works on your phone, please?

Yes, Germany too here.
And the Deadly Premonition vid works on my phone.
 
antiquegamer said:
He should keep both then and combine them to make Optimus Prime. Yeah, I did go there.

Anyway, IGN app got update today and fix some of the problem of formating. Flikr, since the update, I keep getting the black screen that it was suppose to fix. I might uninstall and see if that fix the problem.
The strange thing with the IGN update is that is now in the Xbox Live Games hub. That obviously isn't terribly out of place, but still I don't think it should be there.

Speaking of games, I noticed Rocket Riot is the deal of the week for $2.99 (or $3.49 in Canada). I bought this game at $6.99 and it is still my favorite game on the platform (even at that price). I'd highly recommend giving it a shot.
 
WPCentral did a hands-on with the HTC Arrive for Sprint.
Yes, our Sprint HTC Arrive has showed up and we're liking it so far. The device is the final production model headed to stores this weekend and it rocks the latest build of Windows Phone 7, 7389 with NoDo on board.

For those curious, no sign of the MicroSD card though it may be under a tiny metal door--more on that later. But sporting 16GB of memory should be enough for a lot of folks. The volume sliders appear to changed slightly--while not raised too prominently, they are very wide, making volume adjustments a breeze. The Arrive is comparable to the Touch Pro 2 in size, though noticeably thinner.

Overall, first impressions matter and ours is the Arrive is a winner. The screen is better than the HD7s', the keyboard is better than the LG Quantum and the design is quite stellar. Look for our review shorty by George Ponder and smaller follow up review by Daniel Rubino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLlKPGmAuSI

And they compared it to the predecessor, the Touch Pro 2.
http://wpcentral.com/sprint-arrive-vs-sprint-touch-pro-2-pictures
 
okay, this is kinda' off-topic but still.
i'm running boot-camp windows 7 on my macbook pro and the zune programme has a horrid blurry look to the fonts. it's kinda' like cleartype is on. anyone else have that? any idea how to get rid of it?
 
I can't believe WP7 doesn't have landscape support in there. The homescreen is tiles, that's beyond simple to rotate 90 degrees. Come on Microsoft.

Arrive is pretty nice. Keyboard looks good.
 
jonnybryce said:
I can't believe WP7 doesn't have landscape support in there. The homescreen is tiles, that's beyond simple to rotate 90 degrees. Come on Microsoft.

Arrive is pretty nice. Keyboard looks good.

It's actually not, in terms of layout and consistency.
 
Copernicus said:
It's actually not, in terms of layout and consistency.

Why? 10 seconds to whip this up. I think preserving the whole metro/cut off words inside apps would be a bit more of a challenge (do most apps go landscape currently?), but other OSes figured out ways to go landscape and preserve their ui. The video I watched simply highlighted the homescreen not rotating which seems like a simple fix.

vU7nW.png
 
jonnybryce said:
Why? 10 seconds to whip this up. I think preserving the whole metro/cut off words inside apps would be a bit more of a challenge (do most apps go landscape currently?), but other OSes figured out ways to go landscape and preserve their ui. The video I watched simply highlighted the homescreen not rotating which seems like a simple fix.

vU7nW.png

Reflowing a users set icons is a bad idea. Android works because it's a 4x4 layout on both landscape/portrait so positioning doesn't change.

Moving squares around is easy, but moving squares that have an intrinsic value around isn't.
 
Copernicus said:
Reflowing a users set icons is a bad idea. Android works because it's a 4x4 layout on both landscape/portrait so positioning doesn't change.

Moving squares around is easy, but moving squares that have an intrinsic value around isn't.

Well as I see it MS has three options:
1. Do what I did
2. Leave the icons in their same spot and let people swipe sideways instead of up/down like this:

uKMn2.png


3. Don't provide landscape which is silly. I think people would rather have to take one second to realize how their icons reorient themselves and have landscape vs not having it. Little irked me more than when I held my phone landscape but had to navigate a portrait screen on Android.
 
i don't want landscape or folders but i would like the ability to add more home pages. the more tiles i pin, the more the smoothness tends to lessen.

BTW, you all get Rocket Riot? it's on sale for $3 this week.
 
jonnybryce said:
Well as I see it MS has three options:
1. Do what I did
2. Leave the icons in their same spot and let people swipe sideways instead of up/down like this:

uKMn2.png


3. Don't provide landscape which is silly. I think people would rather have to take one second to realize how their icons reorient themselves and have landscape vs not having it. Little irked me more than when I held my phone landscape but had to navigate a portrait screen on Android.

I've thought the same, option two would go against the entire philosophy of the UI.

I agree about the annoyance when going home and having everything portrait though. =/ I'm curious to see how they work landscape if they do at all.
 
Copernicus said:
I've thought the same, option two would go against the entire philosophy of the UI.

And I guess that's the reason why the homescreen doesn't rotate. WP7 supports it in theory (like iOS on the iPhone), but ...

qualcomm_box_close_1_540x360.JPG


it's something Microsoft tried to avoid, a grid of icon. And I'm not sure if the hubs would really work that way.
 
xbulletholes said:
more apps need to allow me to use the horizontal keyboard when inputting text, right facebook?
bloody thing.
Microsoft's own apps are pretty lame when it comes to updates and support and the don't have push notifications or live tiles.

Is there a reason why we don't have other 3rd party Facebook apps yet?
 
brotkasten said:
Microsoft's own apps are pretty lame when it comes to updates and support and the don't have push notifications or live tiles.

Is there a reason why we don't have other 3rd party Facebook apps yet?

anything to do with the available APIs (is that the right term, haha)?
 
VanMardigan said:
The Arrive launches this weekend? So early adopters will definitely be the last to get NoDo?!?!?!
Yep. The Arrive launches on March 20, current rumors for the NoDo update say March 23. Or was it 24? Doesn't matter. Might be the same week, but it's still underwhelming.
 
brotkasten said:
Yay? I'm not sure if I need Opera Mobile on WP7, because IE7 is surprisingly capable. Now if it supports Flash/Silverlight Skyfire style, I'd be all over it. The real news here is that they probably got access to the native WP7 SDK. Fennec for WP7 next?

Exactly what I'm thinking. Unless it has flash then I'm not really interested...
 
besiktas1 said:
Exactly what I'm thinking. Unless it has flash then I'm not really interested...

And maybe it's really just Opera Mobile for Windows 7 tablets. You know, with a touch UI and all.

Aklamarth said:
Obviously it won't have Flash because a Flash plugin can only be done by Adobe , not by MS or Opera.
I said "Skyfire style", means streaming the actual flash video via proxy.

Features such as Adobe Flash, Silverlight, and QuickTime are usable without additional plug-ins on the device, and can be easily updated server-side without the need to update millions of individual client installations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyfire_(web_browser)

edit:

Hah, it's really just Opera Mobile 11 for Windows 7 slates (lol, whatever)

Yes indeed the press release is correct. It is WIndows 7, I know it is a bit confusing but Windows 7 (the desktop OS) is also used on certain tablets and touch desktop devices. This version of Opera Mobile 11 is for the first time to optimized for tablets – hence the connection.

Hope that clarifies it.
 
Aww dang you guys and gals got my hopes up. I would have easily switched because it would have had better HTML5 support than currently. That would have meant access to the HTML5 version of youtube as well as just in general being able to play html5 video.

DANG YOU FOR NOT BEING TRUE!!!!!! Grrrrrrrr LOL
 
VanMardigan said:
IE9 is nice, I love the Windows 7 integration. I really feel like MS is on a roll with their consumer products. I think Windows 7, Xbox, Kinect, and WP7 are all stellar products. WP7 definitely needs some iterations and they obviously aren't coming fast enough right now.




I don't know anything about the phone, maybe someone else can fill you in, and I already gave you my thoughts on what you should look for in general, but let me get a bit more specific.

Last year, I had all three major phone operating systems. iPhone is fantastic, there are no two ways about it. It deserves a ton of credit for what it did to smartphones, and Apple has made key improvements throughout its lifespan. As a blanket statement, and without knowing anything about a person, I would recommend an iPhone to them if anyone asked about smartphones. I left that platform for various reasons, but mainly from sheer boredom, for as much as Apple has improved their software, the interface has remained the same the entire time. Perfectly understandable from their end, but it grew stale for me after almost two years of usage.

Android adds widgets, customization, and flash to the formula. It's a good iPhone replacement for the most part, but it does lack refinement, it lacks cohesiveness, and it's in many cases frustrating to use. Most manufacturers load it with custom UI's that just slow the phone, and you can mitigate that to some extent, but its still annoying. You can find alternatives to just about anything, but (imo) very few things feel complete or as refined.

Most people would do equally well with either of those platforms. Then there's WP7. It is better integrated than Android or iPhone in terms of core apps (Music, Contacts, Games, Pictures) because it leverages Zune, Xbox, Office, and the cloud. The OS has the cohesion of iPhone, with additional functionality in what the icons can do, without actually having the full functionality of Android. Still, it's a new platform and therefore has some maturing to do before it reaches important feature parity (mainly multi-tasking and html5 browser). Even for those of us who knew that going in, the wait for updates is excruciating, mainly because of random bugs that are typical for any 1.0 product.

One more thing, hardware is simply not as important as software in smartphones. Fancy specs are, oftentimes in Android, wasted on old OS builds and crappy UIs. If you go iPhone, you wait for the latest version, if you Android, you go for the latest OS build, and in WP7, you go for your favorite form factor (if you have options). FWIW, I get pissed at MS for the slow updates, and then contemplate sticking my sim in my Nexus One (running gingerbread). But I just can't pull the trigger yet, and that says a ton about WP7.

thanks for taking the time and giving me your opinion. Lots to think about.
 
Nokia's chairman has said Windows-based Nokia phones will be on sale from 2012, though Elop has said he aims to produce a Windows phone by the end of this year.

"We're right now, today, having people work on the first Windows Phone devices from Nokia. That work is already under way. If this was an acquisition scenario, that wouldn't be possible," Elop said.
http://www.forexyard.com/en/news/El...ows-Nokia-phones-2011-03-18T123116Z-INTERVIEW

One phone by the years end (probably the Mango flagship phone) and more WP-based devices in 2012. Hmm, I was hoping for a Q3 release.

PG2G said:
Facebook app started crashing for a lot of people this week. Mine was pretty much unusable. It hit some of the blogs early this morning.

http://wpcentral.com/facebook-experiencing-intermittent-crashing
And the 1.2 fix already out. If wish the rest of the WP7 team would be that fast.
 
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