DunDunDunpachi
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[WIRED] Exclusive with Mark Cerny, PS5 specs detailed
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ethomaz
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I believe like PS4 Sony didn't care about what Next Xbox is.
PS5 specs are probably 99% done already like number of GPU cores, amount of RAM, etc.
The only thing that could change is clock but don't expect more than 10% for more or less.
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Romulus
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I remember feeling old when I bought ps4.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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Should be just as compatible, the disc games don't play off the disc anyway with the PS4, they fully install onto the hard drive and the disc is only needed to authenticate the license so it knows you physically own the game.
Kenpachii
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399 is absolute the maximum. U can inflate prices all you want. People still have to buy it. I honestly don't believe people would care to spend 500 bucks on a new console that barely will have any content and will get a rehash in 3 years down the line.
They will adopt it if its cheap or in there budget. 500 bucks seems far to expensive to me. They are better off ditching that SSD then.
Also with inflation the price only gets like 12 bucks higher and not 50 to a 100.
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GermanZepp
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But Ram, clock speeds, etc is subject to change, let's say a year before launch? or those things that must be decided and set in stone from the beginning?
LordOfChaos
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PCI-E 4 would already allow more bandwidth than currently available on PC SSDs, and is already gaining availability. I know PCI-e 5 will be "ready", but not widely available and this console already seems to be pushing up on cost.
It's not impossible, but I'm imagining this SSD will be just over the current single drive transfer speeds for that claim to be true within reasonable costs, so 4 lanes of 4.0 would suffice.
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GermanZepp
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What men? You serious? Then all people whines about console being underpowered
Aggelos
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Not only Death Stranding, but FF7Remake also might end up as a cross-gen game
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CyberPanda
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mckmas8808
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Guys, I'm sorry but this dev leaked this info about 5 months ago.
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- PS5 Offical Info from Sony somewhere around E3 (Q2 2019 for a small reveal)
- Backward Compatible
- CPU: 7nm Ryzen 8 cores\16 threads
- GPU: Navi 7nm around 14 TF (with some sort of Ray Tracing, but not the main focus. More focus on VR and 4K)
- 24 GB of GDDR+ RAM + 4 GBs of DDR4 RAM
- 2 TB HDD (some sort of NAND Flash)
- 8K upscaling
- PSVR2 in 2020, resolution boost to around 2560x1440 with eye tracking, wireless battery (4-5 hours), integrated headphones, no break box, price around $250.
- DS5 controller with analog precision for FPS games similar to STEAM analog trackpad and a camera inside for VR.
- Price $499
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You don't think 24 GBs of fast RAM, 2 TB of NAND Flash hard drive space, a 14 TF GPU, and wireless PSVR2 being wireless aren't megatons?
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Snake29
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If anyone have any doubt that Xbox Anaconda will more powerful than the PS5, here's and exchange from one Microsoft insider and other insider from the gaming industry, which by the way both are verified and with legit sources.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-game-studios-ot4-when-everyone-plays-we-all-win.94058/page-308
Next generation is going to get very interesting.
That thread is already a joke. They already think next-Xbox is more powerful without knowing any shit. Xbox fans like to hype themselves up with nothing.
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Dabaus
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The chips for these systems wont even be made until next year. Microsft is chasing power so i would assume that after initial specs reeal theres only so much more room you can upclock your speeds before you need to redesign parts of the system. Sony is waiting to see if MS will take the bait and reveal everything. Im not an expert and i could be wrong about that, that just my hunch on what will happen and Sonys play here is.
Dabaus
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Romulus
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I really think based on Cerny's comment today and the PS5's hardware that VR is going to be a big next gen.
I'm active on psvr reddit and there have been several developers there that wanted to get their games on psvr but the CPU and GPU of the original ps4 kept them from devoting resources. Locked 60fps is required by Sony, that was one of the big hurdles. But theres no telling how many devs didn't voice their opinion on the ps4's lackluster CPU specs. Now, that shouldn't be an issue.
I'm active on psvr reddit and there have been several developers there that wanted to get their games on psvr but the CPU and GPU of the original ps4 kept them from devoting resources. Locked 60fps is required by Sony, that was one of the big hurdles. But theres no telling how many devs didn't voice their opinion on the ps4's lackluster CPU specs. Now, that shouldn't be an issue.
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Dabaus
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I think they care, at least they should, but its not like last gen where they were playing from behind.
Tqaulity
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True. It doesn't really matter. Yes Microsoft is hell bent on keeping the performance halo for next gen and avoiding the "Playstation is more powerful" narrative they had to deal with for most of this generation. But at the end of the day, both Sony and Microsoft have similar constraints, timing deadlines, and available technology to choose from. Both of their consoles will be extremely close technically (closer than PS4 and XB1 actually). We're talking slight differences in clock speeds and maybe CU counts for the GPU that will still be within 20%.
For example, even if the GPU is on the lower end for PS5 @12.6 TFLOPS, Xbox Anaconda may push for ~14.5 TFLOPS. That's a difference of like 16% which is not very significant in today's' world of diminishing returns. But the reality is Sony is more likely to push 13-14 TFLOPS themselves and the power cap is <15TFLOPs for next gen given AMD's roadmap and capabilities by 2020. So that difference may be even closer to 10% or less.
MIcrosoft still has more money to burn and is in a better position to take risks when it comes to performance including clock increases on CPU, GPU, or memory and more expensive cooling solutions. But Sony is clearly going all in for next gen and it's great to see that we're getting some much innovation in gaming hardware in the coming years (PS5, Xbox Anaconda, Xcloud, Occulus Rift S/Quest, Stadia, next Switch etc). Gamers win!
ethomaz
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From these 24GB RAM is the only surprise if true.
14TF GPU is inline with what I said a year ago or so... with 7nm the AMD GPU will reach 13TF+ in a console form... 11-12TFs looked way lower to my expectations.
2TB looks a bit crazy for SSD but hey maybe they are going cheap with the SDD part trying to use some NAND direct on the motherboard... that will remove the ability to easy replace HDD.
But I won't call any of them MEGATON.
GTA6 timed exclusive... well that is really MEGATON.
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LordOfChaos
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I have to keep my skeptic hat on here, most of this was correct but as of yesterday couldn't most of us have gotten 95% of what was revealed today right? Ray tracing was a bit of a coin toss but at the very least it was always employable in software
We also have no confirmation it's 2TB of flash, only that it's flash
I do hope for 24GB though, 12-16 would be whelming as the X is already there. Then again, the new all SSD architecture does allow better streaming even with that much RAM.
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CyberPanda
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Nibel got proof in his DM's about the Anaconda being more powerful, and MS has stated they are gonna going to stick to their game plan of providing the most powerful platform. They are not going to make the same mistake from Xbox One days. Look, the PS5 specs are good, and competition is gonna benefit us all in the long run. So, everyone needs to relax and enjoy whatever games they want on their favourite platforms.
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NickFire
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The 2 TB of flash hard drive alone is a megaton for me.
DunDunDunpachi
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The whiff of console wars...
E3 this year is gonna be fiery.
E3 this year is gonna be fiery.
VincentMatts
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Nibel got proof in his DM's about the Anaconda being more powerful, and MS has stated they are gonna going to stick to their game plan of providing the most powerful platform. They are not going to make the same mistake from Xbox One days. Look, the PS5 specs are good, and competition is gonna benefit us all in the long run. So, everyone needs to relax and enjoy whatever games they want on their favourite platforms.
yeah thats what i got from them too. One way or another, it wont be another unpowered xbox one kinect bundle.
Ar¢tos
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If you are remotely interested you need to buy day one (with pre order), because if it is anything like the Ps4 launch, it will be months before you can just walk into a store and pick up one. It will be constantly sold out.
mckmas8808
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Do people realize how much better a console is when it has a 14 TF GPU, with 24 GBs of "usable" video RAM, latest state of the art desktop CPU, and a NAND SSD hard drive?!?! Compared to making a game that has to run on a 1.8 TF GPU, with weak CPU cores, 5 GBs of usable video RAM, and a slow as ice HDD?
mckmas8808
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Would you consider a 2TF NAND SSD to be equivalent to the 8 GBs of GDDR that we got on the PS4? Remember nobody thought that was possible until Sony revealed it at their presser.
Evilms
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klobrille he doesn't know shit to know if it's more powerful or not on the MS side.
johntown
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Oh yeah, 100% I would pre-order. Like I said it really depends on launch titles (exclusives). Bloodborne 2 or almost anything From software makes would make me pre-order. Other titles it really depends. If Death Stranding is exclusive that will do it too.
Snake29
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Nibel got proof in his DM's about the Anaconda being more powerful, and MS has stated they are gonna going to stick to their game plan of providing the most powerful platform. They are not going to make the same mistake from Xbox One days. Look, the PS5 specs are good, and competition is gonna benefit us all in the long run. So, everyone needs to relax and enjoy whatever games they want on their favourite platforms.
You mean a picture of his dick? Funny after all rumours last half year about Anaconda specs, now someone receives "something" in his DM he can't talk about and everyone believes him right away. I wonder if you'd believe it, too, if Sony wasn't teasing today?
How the fuck does he know, without knowing any of the PS5 specs? Sony hasn't announced anything Microsoft can do with. This was an architecture announcement and nothing more.
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iconmaster
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Was this posted already?
PS5's Price Will Be 'Appealing to Gamers', Says Cerny
That sounds like less than $500 to me. Possibly even $400.
PS5's Price Will Be 'Appealing to Gamers', Says Cerny
That sounds like less than $500 to me. Possibly even $400.
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It doesn't really matter too much, meaning the Xbox One X is out and technically the most powerful "console" (whatever that may mean now)... since the time of release, Xbox is at or below original Xbox numbers i.e. cratered. The people that left Xbox, left for a reason and it wasn't just because the competition had more powerful hardware. Microsoft has the most powerful hardware anytime they want... just upgrade your PC -wham most powerful console.
Sony does like to have muted digs though, which is what this is, imo. No reason to have an official announcment either if we're talking Fall of 2020, as this will make sales go down for the PS4 this year and early next year.
The console warz are basically over, the landscape is different and some parties are not only competitors but also partners.
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Dontero
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More like they are late to the party and they realized that MS wants to release their console this year.
It would explain why they announce PS5 in shitty newspaper rather than on official event looking like amateurs.
Barakov
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Everything about that sounds great. The only potential red flag is how they do VR. Looking forward to see what the Anaconda has in store.
Sounds like that to me. $400 is the sweet spot for most people.
I'd love for this to happen but hasn't MS come out and say they're having AMD something in the Anaconda?
Sounds like that to me. $400 is the sweet spot for most people.
You console warriors are something else.
Shin
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Got a post link, curious to the follow up conversation.
500gb SSD retails for 80 bucks right now
CyberPanda
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It's in the original post. Just go back a page.
CyberPanda
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You need to relax. Ps5 is going to be a good system and so is the next Xbox. Same with Nintendo's next system. Enjoy whatever system you want, and chill.
MightySquirrel
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Ok, now this sounds much more reasonable. Some type of hybrid drive ex: SSHD. It's no where near close to fastest SSD available, but in some very rare instances once the right conditions are met can come close to a regular SSD. [like for example loading the same save file multiple times in a row to show how well it performs compared to a regular drive]
Aceofspades
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Sounds like a freaking beast of a console. Im excited about VR stuff 
Shin
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Thanks, Sony have ray-traced 3D audio or it can while Microsoft has a potential physics engine build in.
Man they are both great additions to have from a immersive perspective, which both feats could be in 1 system /greedy
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Sony's confirmed specs > Xbox's speculated specs
MightySquirrel
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What I'd like to see is two drive bays inside console instead of one with support for Raid0, so you could set up 2 drives for around 80-90% perf improvment if you so desire.
For example 2 x 5TB HDD in RAID0 will be ~ $230 and will give you 5TB of storage with a perf comparable to SSD in games.
Now 4TB SSD will cost you ~ $550 . So 5TB $230 vs 4TB $550 ~ same perf in games.
Or you could go with 2 x 8TB HDD in RAID0 for $400 vs 4TB SSD for $550. 8TB for $400 or 4TB for $550. Double the storage for near identical performance and still cheaper. What would you pick ?
For example 2 x 5TB HDD in RAID0 will be ~ $230 and will give you 5TB of storage with a perf comparable to SSD in games.
Now 4TB SSD will cost you ~ $550 . So 5TB $230 vs 4TB $550 ~ same perf in games.
Or you could go with 2 x 8TB HDD in RAID0 for $400 vs 4TB SSD for $550. 8TB for $400 or 4TB for $550. Double the storage for near identical performance and still cheaper. What would you pick ?
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