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With HDDVD now dead, will 360 sales feel the pain?

Firewire said:
If you own a PS3 and are buying games for it, you're buying blu rays.
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That is flawed Logic. Blu-ray movies , and Blu-ray games are different. That like saying If I buy a Ps2 game or an X-box 360 game I am buying a dvd movie.
 
That's not why I bought my 360...

I could care less about this HDDVD/Blueray war that seems to be so prevalent around these forums. Having said this, I doubt this HD war will affect anything for at least another year or so as consumers are still perfectly happy watching their DVD's on $30 DVD players.
 
I AM JOHN! said:
Dude, you just divided his grip on reality by zero!!
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:lol

My6cats said:
That is flawed Logic. Blu-ray movies , and Blu-ray games are different. That like saying If I buy a Ps2 game or an X-box 360 game I am buying a dvd movie.
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Yeah but I found it funny so I just couldn't resist. :lol
 
I don't think people who bought a 360 bought it primarily for watching HD Movies, Pistolgrip, since an add-on is required. I know plenty of people who bought PS3s as BR Players, though.
 
Liquid said:
i really dont even understand why people think BR or HD DVD help or hurt at all. MOVIES COST $30!!!!! thats the cost of a damn game if you wait a couple months. fuck that.
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how many games this gen have had their prices reduced like that in a couple of months?
 
Firewire that isn't necessarily true or clever. I don't have a ps3, but I'm looking in to buying one, for the downloadable games.
 
Tmac said:
HD movies doesn't have anything to do with HD games. But microsoft made the terrible mistake to PR/spin like it was. It was on one corner, hd-dvd and microsoft, against the evil ps3/sony-blu-ray empire.

Because of microsoft erroneous strategy, it looks like the xbox 360 lost a battle. The 360 is exactly the same since day one, but now, there's a negative psycological effect of defeat surrouding it. Totally unnecessary.
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A lot of people dont seem to understand this concept. We should get together and draw a nice cartoon to get the message out. :)

Please people read this and my quotes and understand that we are not saying 360 is doomed!
 
big assumption in the thread title, do you see why MS was smart not to include HD DVD now from the get go?
 
handofg0d said:
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
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Sony and Bluray fans saying I told you so and trying to twist the knife in their fellow GAF members backs for backing the wrong HD movie format.
 
Quagm1r3 said:
Shadowrun costed 20 bucks after 2 months :lol
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Microsoft did it so that they could beat Warhawk at its own game and get more sales from people usually scared off by tactical, awesome First-Person Shooters. And it worked!!!!!!

/brimstone
 
PistolGrip said:
This is a topic that has popped up in discussions about the death of HDDVD. I was wondering what GAF collectively thinks about the impact on sales this could have on the 360.

I personally think it will hurt sales. Here are some reasons.

- 360 is associated with HDDVD. Many will take that association to mean 360 has been defeated. Just browsing through engadgetHD, you can see many posters thinking about dropping 360 altogether because of this.

- The massive free press for PS3 that is gathering at the moment will leave potential 360 buyers thinking in Blu. My boss came up to me today and asked me if he needs a PS3 because he has an HDTV after seeing the news of HDDVD death in the elevator!

- Now that the war is decided, the value proposition for the PS3 as a great HD player has gone up again.

What do you think? Should MS announce a Blu-ray divice asap to counter this? Is there anything they can do? Or will this have zero effect?
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lots of people will disagree, but you are right, it will have an impact on 360 sales. gamestop for instance has just stopped taking secondhand HD-DVD add ons... that's going to annoy quite a few 360 fans alone. MS has also promoted HD movies... but where will those now interested get it?
 
This isn't a debate, it's speculation. Tiresome fanboy speculation that makes the games industry look like the immature hobby everyone sees it as.
 
I don't think people bought a X360 for HD-DVD. At least, I didn't.

The death of HD-DVD won't have any effect on X360 sales.

It will have effect on Ps3 sales though.
 
MikeE21286 said:
*looks at PS3>360 in January NPD*.........

I think they already are :?
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Too bad HDDVD wasn't announced dead until last weekend, which, last time I checked, was in February.
 
cliffbo said:
lots of people will disagree, but you are right, it will have an impact on 360 sales. gamestop for instance has just stopped taking secondhand HD-DVD add ons... that's going to annoy quite a few 360 fans alone. MS has also promoted HD movies... but where will those now interested get it?
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From Xbox Live Marketplace, which has been pushed way harder than HD-DVD ever was?
 
6.8 said:
Too bad HDDVD wasn't announced dead until last weekend, which, last time I checked, was in February.
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When did Warner go Blu-Ray only? (i.e. the marking of the death of HD-DVD) oh yeah, that's right...it was right before CES , which started on Jan. 7th
 
GauntletFan said:
After checking the OPs post history it's clear what the agenda was with this thread
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Humans are machines of opinions and experiences. We shape our experiences to re-enforce our opinions. If thats what you mean with "my agenda" then yes, I am sorry for being human.

WrikaWrek said:
360 is associated to the HD DVD? lol no.

And what a surprise that PistolGrip would create this thread.
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Its no surprise that WrikaWrek would write such insightful comments just like he does in every other thread.
 
MikeE21286 said:
When did Warner go Blu-Ray only? (i.e. the marking of the death of HD-DVD) oh yeah, that's right...it was right before CES , which started on Jan. 7th
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Too bad 99% of console buyers didn't know about that.
 
6.8 said:
Too bad 99% of console buyers didn't know about that.
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Yes none of the 99% read Yahoo news, CNN, New York Times, any tech related site, Gaming Press, every tech blog out there.

Blu-ray vs. HDDVD battle news was bigger than Hillary vs Obama in January.
 
Honestly, most people don't even clue in about HD-DVD when buying a 360. They buy a 360 for halo, X-box live and mountain dew. This news will have no effect on 360 sales at all.
 
m0dus said:
Er--I think he's classifying you into a particular subset of humans who, in fact, seek to re-inforce their own opinions by directly or indirectly influencing the thoughts of others by either overt or subversive means, thereby seeking validation for your own beliefs that you yourself, ironically, cannot maintain without the reinforcement of an anonymously driven group-think spawned of similar intent.


to sum it up, I think he was calling you a 'fanboy.'
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:lol
 
PistolGrip said:
Humans are machines of opinions and experiences. We shape our experiences to re-enforce our opinions. If thats what you mean with "my agenda" then yes, I am sorry for being human.
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I'm talking about stuff like this

PistolGrip said:
you would have to be a fool (Halo fan ;) ) to pick a 360 over a PS3 if they are at the same price.
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Which makes it hard to take you seriously
 
i find it funny to think that on one hand you have MS and xbots extolting the virtues of HD, all the media features of xbox etc ...and then in the same breath discount the effect of not having the abilty to play back the standard HD media disc ... weird.

fact is most average ppl out there when buying one of these new HD consoles ... for them of course it will come to mind that - hey ..i essentually get a free blu ray player if i buy ps3 instead.

may not have been THAt big of a deal even a few mths ago ..but now ..it is, and it'll get more of a deal through out the year and blu ray takes off, and if ps3 dropps in price, ps3 suddenly is a lot more value for the $$

and yeh ..that effects 360 ..effects it in lost sales that other wise might have gone their way
 
Tmac said:
HD movies doesn't have anything to do with HD games. ...
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Unless your game console is also a HD movie player, then it has a lot to do with it.

If you have a PS3 why wouldn't you pick up a Blu-ray or two? Theres no reason not to. And if you're a HD movie fan, why not pick up a PS3, and hell, you could also get a game or two while you're at it. For sales-age theres no reason to keep them separate.
 
PistolGrip said:
Its no surprise that WrikaWrek would write such insightful comments just like he does in every other thread.
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Humans are machines of opinions and experiences. We shape our experiences to re-enforce our opinions. If thats what you mean with "insightful comments" then yes, I am sorry for being human. Right? Right? No? Cmon....

And dude, all you do is troll bait. I bet you weren't creating threads like this last year, no no.

WaterPistolete said:
you would have to be a fool (Halo fan ;) ) to pick a 360 over a PS3 if they are at the same price.
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*shakes head*
 
I don't think it will hurt 360 sales, but it will help PS3 sales ... a lot of those PS3 sales may be to people who already own and enjoy a 360 and HD-DVD add-on.
 
NullPointer said:
Unless your game console is also a HD movie player, then it has a lot to do with it.

If you have a PS3 why wouldn't you pick up a Blu-ray or two? Theres no reason not to. And if you're a HD movie fan, why not pick up a PS3, and hell, you could also get a game or two while you're at it. For sales-age theres no reason to keep them separate.
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The question is, is the Wii selling less because it doesn't play movies?

No. End of discussion.
 
m0dus said:
Er--I think he's classifying you into a particular subset of humans who, in fact, seek to re-inforce their own opinions by directly or indirectly influencing the thoughts of others by either overt or subversive means, thereby seeking validation for your own beliefs that you yourself, ironically, cannot maintain without the reinforcement of an anonymously driven group-think spawned of similar intent.
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I love your art/themes

Anytime a person writes an article he is doing what you mention. We teach students to be persuasive in their essays and reinforce their opinions. Yes I have an opinion, which I myself claim may be completely wrong but list the reasons why it would be right. These are logical reasons. Looking for validation? Subconsciously perhaps, but even you writing this comment are doing so. Otherwise you wouldn't have taken the time to think of such a clever paragraph.

MS themselves quickly put out a statement to note that it shouldn't affect console sales. Yet we are not mature to discuss without a mob pointing fingers screaming fanboy. Yes it can very easily turn into console wars but you can say that about 99% of the threads on gaf.
 
GauntletFan said:
I'm talking about stuff like this

Which makes it hard to take you seriously
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Hey no fair taken comments out of context :( I said all things being equal, meaning you dont count games. thats not even my comment since it was edited within seconds you are just copying from someone else's quote. Still got banned for it and I it was wrong of me I admit. but I still hold that to be true, games being equal, just hardware PS3 is a better value
 
6.8 said:
You can make statistics up if it helps disproving yourself like you just did. :D
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Yes I really did disprove myself huh....

Bottom line is PS3 and 360 are substitutes for each other. Good news for PS3 means bad news for 360 (and vice versa). The death of HD-DVD (which is BTW both directly tied to the 360 by way of it being an add-on and indirectly tied to the 360 because it is a USP of the PS3) is good for PS3 and hence bad for the 360.

There's really no way around it.
 
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