Stealthcobra
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Thank you... And lets not forget the benefits of the pro has on psvr
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With lackluster Pro support, why expect much better with Scorpio?
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Thank you... And lets not forget the benefits of the pro has on psvr
Ghost Slayer
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MAX PAYMENT
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I'll raise my hand as a disappointed pro owner.
I meant it as operating system software not games.
I dont have or even saw or used xbone once, but things like bc support and from what i remember in 360 era their os software was miles ahead on ps3 counterpart it wasnt even close.
zenspider
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It's a very good point and could help keep expectations in check.
So far it seems like a better marketed Pro to an inferior system. I'm rooting for a stunning e3 showing with some real surprises, but I'm expecting better looking versions of games on a platform I don't care about - my PS4 and PC "outflank" a better XBox One.
Pro sucks. Like sure some of my games look better but it's not really an upgrade.
Atleast the scorpio sounds like a legit upgrade. The Xbox one actually needed an upgrade, they could barely run things at over 900p.
The pro made me get a powerful gaming PC. Like all I wanted from the pro was the option to get higher settings at 1080p. If the scorpio does that they're already doing a better job
Atleast the scorpio sounds like a legit upgrade. The Xbox one actually needed an upgrade, they could barely run things at over 900p.
The pro made me get a powerful gaming PC. Like all I wanted from the pro was the option to get higher settings at 1080p. If the scorpio does that they're already doing a better job
I'm happy so far, initially when I bought my first UHD tvs I didn't realize the maze of know how and limited content availability I was investing in. But i've learned quite a bit.
Love my Tv, love my PS4 Pro, definitely buying a Scorpio.
(My PC: i7 6700k / GTX 1070 / 950 Pro 512Gb)
Love my Tv, love my PS4 Pro, definitely buying a Scorpio.
(My PC: i7 6700k / GTX 1070 / 950 Pro 512Gb)
GinoFelino
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Why on god's green earth buy a Scorpio with a PC like that?
ForkNetwork
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Your PC shits on Scorpio.
Frostman
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I agree all games will see benefits, but Pro games without support now have the ability to see benefits. I will agree that the Pro will provide less benefits without support, but the problem is that most people playing on consoles won't notice these benefits on Scorpio or Pro. After awhile, a game loading faster, becomes something you won't pick up on. You want to see real benefits.
I understand OP's point, with some games leaving Pro support out, or adding it later down the line even when it's been labelled for release. But I think with 2 consoles in the equation + microsofts push, not only will Scorpio benefit, but Pro will too.
I enjoy the console ecosystem, all my friends/strangers are nice and well behaved. And some games like Dishonored 2 still run like shit on my PC while look and run very impressively on my PS4 Pro. Not 60fps, but its at least fucking solid.
Sounds like you bought a Slim by mistake.
Serious Sam
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Why not? Maybe he's a hardware and game enthusiast who doesn't want to miss a single exclusive title. Many people have good gaming rigs AND all the consoles. There are still a few Xbox One titles not playable on PC and we don't know what MS will do after Scorpio, they might reverse their "play anywhere" pledge.
All games will not see benifits. games that are hitting their target frame rates won't really see an improvement.
geordiemp
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Scorpio is only 9.5 % faster than Pro.I agree, its all eye candy but we will not be playing red dead 2 at 60 FPS without a Ryzen or Intel CPU.
OfTheOverflow
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You're not wrong OP. Have been pretty disappointed thus far with Pro support.
Yautja_Warrior
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I'm the opposite at the moment, unless MS give me a compelling reason to buy Scorpio.
I have a PS4 Pro, Switch for the exclusives and a good PC (i7 6700k @ 4.6GHz, GTX 1070, 16GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM) so unless MS put a load of games on Scorpio that are not coming to PC, then there is little point buying one, as I can already play games at the same or better settings than the Scorpio.
Retro Edge
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I can't understand that part. For me, upgrading was the best decision I've made in the last year. I can't even put it in words how much it was worth it and how much fun I have with it because I love every second i play with my PS4 Pro and, personally, I'm more than happy in how many games are using it, sometimes with a day and night difference and than there is Super Sampling, my God what an eye opener, I can't live without it anymore, what a difference in picture quality.... I can't even rudimentary understand some of the complaints of some people.
My personal experience was like this. It started with Tomb Raider & Shadow of Mordor and was amazing, continues with Uncharted 4, FFXV (Had no problems with frame pacing, the pro visual was worth it), goes over to a much more stable The Last Guardian and even for that the Pro was worth it, Diablo 3, Horizon FN Zero Dawn (My goodness) an absolute jaw dropping The Division update with Super Sampling from heaven, that visuals are pure art now, some small games like Snake Pass who gives Pro owners locked 60 FPS in 1080p instead of 30fps and 864p on normal PS4 (seriously THIS is an improvement and yeah i know it shouldn't even run like this on normal PS4, but still) Nier Automata, Mass Effect Andromeda with almost the same jaw dropping Super Sampling visuals like The Division and a Tekken 7 which is my newest one and I'm sure I forgot a few more. And I have to say that the 1080p change for Tekken 7 on Pro instead of 900p on standard PS4 was worth it alone again. I simply don't want to play anything not native anymore or blurry, I could not live with that on the normal console anymore. And than there is the boost mode, what a great idea for everything not supported. The boost mode can make some juttering 45 fps games to rock solid 60fps masterpieces like Shantae and I'm loving it.
And to be honest, to be really honest, when I heard that only 25% (or was it 20%?) of every sold PS4 since Pro realease was a Pro I was kind of surprised that it even gets this much of support because for me that sounds freaking low and Sony is happy with that number and expected even less.
Can it gets even better support, sure, I can understand that it is absolutely bollocks when developers​ gives you better resolution but don't activate super sampling or if a new game comes out like Prey and the support is missing at all in a big AAA game like this, I can understand the thirst for more.
(I personally can't wait for the day when FFXIV finally gets Pro support, it needs it so desperately but until then, Boost mode helps.)
But does that mean that the support we got until today was bad or awful? Or not worth the purchase of a Pro? No, not if you play a lot games like I do.
Maybe I have just a different expectation of what this console has to do to be worth 400 bucks, but with all the improvements I've got for my favorite games in the last 9 months, I still would be happy if I even paid 1000 for it and I would do it again. I've had the fun of my life with the improvements we got in then last months and can not even think about it how it would've​ been without it.
Stealthcobra
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Then you weren't an informed buyer.
Jaguar Victory
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Good post
Im sold on the checkerboard shenanigans, My TV is the centerpiece now, and I'm looking to buy any content, console that makes use of it
Forza Horizon 3 on my PC is impeccable
It depends - the changes for 1080p definitely are lackluster. If I didn't buy it mostly for the change in VR titles, I would have been really pissed off.
Frostman
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That's why I said faster loading times. You will get more stable frame rates as well.
Lol jokepost?
Caayn
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I'm going out on a limb here but I guess that Geordiemp refers to the CPU delta not the GPU. In which case he's correct.
I was going to comment but MS are notorious for their 180s in policy, so you may be right about some Exclusives not hitting the MS Store.
Kabuki Waq
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I find pro a pretty good step up on my 4k tv. It's not going to be a generational leap obviously.
Regular l080 and 900p games look worse by far.
Regular l080 and 900p games look worse by far.
Yautja_Warrior
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That's the key word for me "content" and for me at least, that is where Xbox has been lacking lately. They need to show me at E3 some great games that will be coming for the next few years.
Sony has me covered with their great looking exclusive line up for the next few years, and Nintendo exclusives are nearly always great so I have little to worry about there but Xbox is a bit of a blank slate at the moment, Crackdown 3 and Forza are the only games that interest me at the moment but I want to know whats coming further down the line.
Hopefully E3 will have some good things to show for MS though.
By the way: Can anyone explain to me why 16x AF isn't the norm with every game and console? If I look at PC Benchmarks then the difference between 2x AF anf 16x AF is almost always non existent, I don't even understand why PC games have that as an option it seems to have no impact at all on performance...
After being won over by my PS4 Pro, it sold me on Scorpio
I have a nice PC regardless
Games are my hobby, I'll buy the same game for console and PC
Like clockwork.
I think Pro support has been pretty great....*shrug*
At a minimum most games have a resolution bump and or other enhancements. It was never going to be ps5.
I do have a 4k tv though, I understand the complaints of those still on 1080p sets. The lack of downsampling in some cases is just odd.
At a minimum most games have a resolution bump and or other enhancements. It was never going to be ps5.
I do have a 4k tv though, I understand the complaints of those still on 1080p sets. The lack of downsampling in some cases is just odd.
funkystudent
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A few reasons why it should do better with devs.
MS is better at rallying the Dev troops
MS tools are normally better so adding support should be easier
MS gave Devs 18 months to prep and not 6.
MS is better at rallying the Dev troops
MS tools are normally better so adding support should be easier
MS gave Devs 18 months to prep and not 6.
All PSVR games do.
staticneuron
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Support for the pro was mandated only for games released after the pro's release. Alot of people were hoping for retroactive patches for games released before the pro was released which was entirely up to developers. But now with boost mode, most games should see some sort of improvement if in performance only.
Most pro games that I have played since release has had support for my 4K TV meaning higher resolution either through checkerboarding or native. It makes me wonder what games are you playing that don't provide any support at all (that really shouldn't even pas cert).
Some North American publishers may be compelled
MS tools being better is argumentative
This is part of the reason I wish Sony would allow users to be able to force the pro to run games as a standard PS4 to force boost mode. Some games are coming out with horrible Pro patches for 1080p owners to the point where it would be better if they could have their Pro system pretend to be a standard PS4 and let the user apply boost mode to the PS4 graphics.
Stillmatic
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These upgraded consoles aren't going to sell as well as the base platforms, so with a limited userbase there hasn't really been much incentive for devs.
It will be more viable for devs when there are 2 platforms with the same goal rather than just the one.
So when Scorpio is released, more games will support both upgrades.
It will get easier for devs going forward too as the can integrate support early in the dev cycle rather than tacking it on at the end.
It will be more viable for devs when there are 2 platforms with the same goal rather than just the one.
So when Scorpio is released, more games will support both upgrades.
It will get easier for devs going forward too as the can integrate support early in the dev cycle rather than tacking it on at the end.
I am hoping that when MS said they worked with the biggest engines out there to make sure Scorpio worked the best, they really meant it. It should mean titles that use Unreal, Frostbyte etc will run perfectly.
Hopefully they also went to various other places as well but the way they worked the 360BC stuff has me a little more confident that MS can do a good amount at a system level to make games look great but ultimately it's down to Devs being bothered.
Hopefully they also went to various other places as well but the way they worked the 360BC stuff has me a little more confident that MS can do a good amount at a system level to make games look great but ultimately it's down to Devs being bothered.
I just don't see how that happens. Multiplat games sell better, but ecosystems, popularity, and exclusives will sway customers. I just don't see what the Scorpio offers in either category when the One is already lacking the draw.
The name is going to confuse people as well. Is it a new generation? Is it not? PS4 Pro is obvious that it's an iteration on a current gen. Scorpio sounds like it's a completely new generation of system. The games won't really reflect that.
Shadowhelper
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Why would anyone be disappointed with the Pro? They told us a may times exactly what it was, before release. If anything, they were too low key.
I mean, they flat out tricked us with their marketing campaigns for PS2 and PS3, there was a lot of bullshit about how powerful and technically advanced those machines were. Lots of broken promises.
If I'm being honest, my expectations were so low, that I'm really pleased and even a bit surprised by how good games look on the Pro. From the very beginning tons of people felt it was not worth upgrading to the Pro, I don't know how one could've missed that. If you did upgrade and were expecting something else, I don't think its anyone's fault but the buyers.
I mean, they flat out tricked us with their marketing campaigns for PS2 and PS3, there was a lot of bullshit about how powerful and technically advanced those machines were. Lots of broken promises.
If I'm being honest, my expectations were so low, that I'm really pleased and even a bit surprised by how good games look on the Pro. From the very beginning tons of people felt it was not worth upgrading to the Pro, I don't know how one could've missed that. If you did upgrade and were expecting something else, I don't think its anyone's fault but the buyers.
PS4 Pro is a name that sorta dictates expectations though doesn't it? Xbox Scorpio sounds like a name that will make me expect games not held back by Xbox One limitations.
eso76
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We're probably looking at 1080p One games (and possibly 900p ones) being able to run in native 4k, with 16xAF.
Or downsampled 1080p
That should go for both first and third party games.
While not really the kind of upgrade i'm excited to see, it's a pretty significant upgrade that should apply to most titles going forward
Or downsampled 1080p
That should go for both first and third party games.
While not really the kind of upgrade i'm excited to see, it's a pretty significant upgrade that should apply to most titles going forward
Bull_peeler
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I seem to be missing the point here. What's your point?
staticneuron
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Including a FAQ blog post and a presentation that included video and slides for explanations. Hence people saying they are disappointed the first question to be asked is what were they expecting. And the followups would be about what games are disappointing them and why.
Except the scorpio wont be receiving any exclusive titles outside of VR so it is a performance upgrade just like the pro.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/17/microsoft-aaron-greenberg-qa-project-scorpio-vr/
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ct-scorpio-xbox-chief-microsoft-plans-console
Been wondering this myself OP, its all hype and dreams at this point. I think MS need to throw some money around to get 3 party support, because Scorpio user base will be much smaller than Pro. Sony is the marketleader and even they ate struggling at getting 3 party support for the Pro. Pro and Scorpio is in a niche market space.
The point is a system name can make or break. I'm on the "the Wii-U was a travesty of a name that hurt system potential" train. Wii owners thought it was an add on they didn't need. I originally thought, just based on the name, that it was an educational addon for the Wii.
Xbox Scorpio doesn't sound anything like Xbox One. It's going to be thought of as a new console with new generation expectations. PS4 Pro doesn't because for 20+ years, Sony has stuck to numerical iterations. So the expectations for the Pro weren't next-gen level.
Since the PS4 is already selling like crazy, will people be ready to switch it up for the Scorpio? Will it really do sales-wise what it is trying to do? Will the name confuse non-hardcore-gamers who don't do research about what to expect? If they expect the system to be true next gen based on the name not resembling the One in any way, shape, or form, will they be disappointed when the result is a small increase over the Pro which is a small increase over PS4 which is a small increase over the One?