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Wkd Box Office [OT] 0730/8110 - Nolan's dream is still alive, Schmucks eat cake
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Solo said:
Agreed.
Inception without the special effects would be your average mediocre 2 star movie.
ZephyrFate
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And now the haters come out of the woodwork. I swear, it's the same for every other big movie ever.
FTWer said:
Er, thats not what I myself was saying. Inception is a really good movie, and for reasons other than effects. It just has some major flaws, most of which come from the script. But the movie is amazingly well cast and acted, Pfister shot the hell out of it, and Nolan handles the juggling of multiple dream levels with ease/its editing is quite excellent.
I knew I wasn't imagining things. I was going to take the kids to finally see Karate Kid and it flat ut disappeared from theaters after last weekend. Same for Knight & Day (Which I'm glad I got to see).
I guess both are headed for discount theater land but odd since they were still dong business. Lot of movies came out I guess.
I guess both are headed for discount theater land but odd since they were still dong business. Lot of movies came out I guess.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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:lol :lol :lol :lolDead said:
Oh and WB to deliver a black pay cheque to Nolan for Batman 3, confirmed!!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Those of you ragging on Cameron's scripting skills are forgetting that Aliens is one of the best sci-fi scripts ever written and is probably one fo the best paced scripts ever written. Bring up the dialogue as cliche all you like, but you're forgetting its only cliche because it has been aped from Aliens in the first place.
I don't pretend that Cameron's writing hasn't been at its best since True Lies - Titanic and AVATAR suffered due to some lazy dialogue and narrative devices. However, the Cameron from Terminator to True Lies could write fucking circles around most.
I actually think these days both Nolan and Cameron have problems mainly in the dialogue department. In terms of pacing and exposition, I still think they do a great job.
I don't pretend that Cameron's writing hasn't been at its best since True Lies - Titanic and AVATAR suffered due to some lazy dialogue and narrative devices. However, the Cameron from Terminator to True Lies could write fucking circles around most.
I actually think these days both Nolan and Cameron have problems mainly in the dialogue department. In terms of pacing and exposition, I still think they do a great job.
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Chinner said:
Better than any cameron action scene ever ever ever
SCULLIBUNDO
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Chinner said:
Except I was responding in relation to the writing process. But yes, I suppose his action scenes are written with a much clearer and specific intention than Nolan's scenes. I think Nolan is excellent when it comes to conceiving plot ideas, but needs work at populating those plots. Characterization needs work.
AvidNobody said:
Better than any cameron action scene ever ever ever
Great scene, but you're dreaming.
Jex
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I see this thread has moved from gently from smacking down Walrus to arguing with Solo and then attacking Avatar. A perfect cycle.
Good job with those numbers, Inception.
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The fug?
Opinions can't be wrong and all, but that's some Selig level comment.
Before Nolan cinema never understood the beauty of rotation!
But Nolan did steal all his ideas from Wario.....
Good job with those numbers, Inception.
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Solo said:
The fug?
Opinions can't be wrong and all, but that's some Selig level comment.
Chinner said:
Before Nolan cinema never understood the beauty of rotation!
But Nolan did steal all his ideas from Wario.....
Jason's Ultimatum
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I must admit the action scenes on Shadow Moses was pretty meh.
Rocksteady33
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Sapiens said:
"According to Cinematographer Wally Pfister, Warner Brothers executives approached Christopher Nolan about making the film in 3D, but he refused the idea, claiming "it will distract the storytelling experience of Inception". "
FoneBone said:
Funny how in T2 the whole point of the movie is to escape from a killer robot that has been sent from the future to kill John Connor.
And yet John & Friends end up destroying Cyberdyne itself, which without it John Connor wouldn't exist. I guess they didn't think that one through.
I propose the Second Law of Forum Thermodynamics: It takes more energy to troll than to post constructively. For instance, it would take several paragraphs to provide a thorough response to this.FoneBone said:
(An unfortunate corollary is that all threads tend to descend into assholish shouting matches.)
I like the writing in all of Cameron's movies. It outdoes most action movies by a mile considering especially that he had Arnol Ah'll be back to work with, True Lies was one of the best action movie scripts written up to that time. Then the Matrix came out and everyone had to get all preachy with the words.
Cameron gets that for a movie to be universal, it needs to be simply written. No philosophy degree is needed. Tell a story wth good guys and bad gys and have the good guy win. Settng that in the framework of pandora was either a wholly unique experience (My opinion) or the best retelling of Ferngully ever imagined.
He wasn't going to have big words going on in a movie like Avatar, but the execution of a simple story was fantastic and outdid all the other sci-fi last year combined (with the possible exception of Moon).
I would much rather have a fantastic simple story over a horrible complex one anyday (District 9's was both horrible and simple. That I stilll even like the movie is a testament to the director and lead actor.).
Cameron gets that for a movie to be universal, it needs to be simply written. No philosophy degree is needed. Tell a story wth good guys and bad gys and have the good guy win. Settng that in the framework of pandora was either a wholly unique experience (My opinion) or the best retelling of Ferngully ever imagined.
He wasn't going to have big words going on in a movie like Avatar, but the execution of a simple story was fantastic and outdid all the other sci-fi last year combined (with the possible exception of Moon).
I would much rather have a fantastic simple story over a horrible complex one anyday (District 9's was both horrible and simple. That I stilll even like the movie is a testament to the director and lead actor.).
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Director wars!
PhoncipleBone
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Again, why the sudden Aliens hate? It seems like it was non existant until the last few weeks. Is this Avatar backlash?shintoki said:
Oh, and Jett: The hallway fight will be more remembered than Avatar, that I am sure. But to say Nolan is a better action director than Cameron is just wrong on so many levels. There aren't many directors that can hang anywhere near Cameron on the action end of directing.
Not everyone has to love Aliens. Nor is this sudden hate from Avatar. It's a simple thing called "Different opinions":lolPhoncipleBone said:
On Avatar. None of the fight scenes will probably be remembered above Inception's Twirling Hallway(Even though I think Avatar's are much better, this one does something unique), but I feel the scenes that will be remembered are the flight ones+destruction of the tree.
BruceLeeRoy
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Damn this thread went to hell.
BattleMonkey
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jett said:
Different from people acting like Nolan is the end all?
BattleMonkey
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jett said:
Almost none of the post have anything really to do with the OP or topic of weekend box office. Bunch of stupid mud slinging.
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