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[anaron]

I love BKV so it's sad to see him go but the man's own created work is fantastic so I'm looking forward to him getting back to that.

His episodes were mostly "meh" anyways. Now how about getting David Fury back from 24?

That would be awesome. Unfortunately, (and I could be wrong) I believe he had a falling out over creative differences with the team.

 

[IamMattFox]

I go and forget about the long wait 'til next season and you have to post this thread.

 

[gdt]

I go and forget about the long wait 'til next season and you have to post this thread.

Good thing you already know the ending.

 

[neoism]

Good thing you already know the ending.

yeah, foxy spill it!

 

[Blader]

That's a bit of a leap in logic from the information presented so far, but either way I'm glad they won't really bother trying to explain it. The more interesting story is what's happened as a result of its unique properties.

As long as they explain the smoke monster...

That's pretty much the explanation they've given us, though. It has been touched on quite a few times that moving in space and time (and the show's time travel in general) is due to the island's electromagnetism.

 

[charlequin]

I just wonder if it will crash and burn as spectacularly as the X-Files finale.

To lay the groundwork needed to suck as badly as the X-Files finale, Lost would have had to have already been irredeemably shitty for 4/5s of its entire run.

 

[Solo]

I would love Fury to write an episode.

Maybe "Runabout" for our new pal ?

:lol I'd buy that for a dollar!

Anyone else a bit taken aback at the not-so-subtle jabs at LOST in this thread? That last season was absolutely unbelievable. It was one of the greatest seasons of any show in television history and I'm reading these random digs about the show...makes no sense.

I was just thinking "aw shit, its been a few months since I last aired my many greivances with S5, but perhaps I will respond to this post and do it". But then you posted this:

It's funny because I remember during my epic 6 month ban reading the LOST thread post-airing every single week and seeing all the insane reactions to each moment and how almost everyone except the Solo guy loved it to death and thought it was so awesome and now I'm reading these digs

....and spared me the work, lulz.

I love BKV so it's sad to see him go but the man's own created work is fantastic so I'm looking forward to him getting back to that.

That would be awesome. Unfortunately, (and I could be wrong) I believe he had a falling out over creative differences with the team.

I believe you are correct. Creative differences (I think he was one of the ones wanting to keep things based in mystery/supernatural tones rather than straight sci-fi) + a nice big paycheque and a larger title to head on over to Fox.

 

[leroy hacker]

+ a nice big paycheque and a larger title to head on over to Fox.

What larger title? Edit: oops, you weren't talking about Vaughan.

 

[gdt]

He certainly has a larger role in 24 than he did in LOST.

Solo, any source on the fallout information?

 

[Busty]

He's probably landed himself a big studio gig scripting a film. It wouldn't surprise me if he's attached to write something for Marvel or a DC project at Warners.

Vaughn's a writer I hear nothing but good things about but I've never actually read much of his work. A friend of mine is a HUGE fan of Y:The Last Man so I should really check it out.

 

[Night_Trekker]

I need to catch up on season 5 of Lost, but I just feel no motivation at all. This doesn't help matters.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Yesterday Olivia Munn speculated as to the reason Brian K. Vaughan left the show:

Inside sources are saying he’s actually left to become my best friend. I can neither confirm nor deny that. But, that’s only because saying “I can neither confirm nor deny that” implies that it is true- that Brian K. Vaughn left Lost to become best friends with me, Olivia Munn. So, I can neither confirm nor deny that rumor.

Today he officially confirmed:

My only official statement: I can confirm that I left Lost to become best friends with Olivia Munn.

What I find funniest about all this is that she misspelled his name on both of her posts. I hope they talk about this tonight on AotS.

:lol

 

[anaron]

He certainly has a larger role in 24 than he did in LOST.

Solo, any source on the fallout information?

Here's an excerpt from a great interview he did with Lostpedia:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lostpedia_Interview:David_Fury


Lostpedia: What are your thoughts about the evolution of Locke's character since you wrote “Walkabout"? Are there things that surprised you? Would you have done anything different?

It’s difficult for me to comment on Locke’s “evolution,” since I wasn’t able to watch the show regularly after the second season. Only saw a few episodes of Season 3, and none of Season 4 (though I hear the latter’s been consistently great). The only thing I will say is that Locke was the most interesting character to write, because of the complexities of his psyche. Despite what was revealed in: “Walkabout”, he could, and possibly should, have remained more of an enigma. After a while, all the mystery and potential menace was stripped from him, in favor of the Others. One thing I might have done differently -- I probably would not have focused so much on Locke’s “father issues” since that was the focal point of Jack’s flashbacks and motivations.

And a comment from him in a RollingStone issue following his depature:

THEY'RE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO


The Lost creators have often claimed they know where the show is going
and that everything will ultimately add up. Well, the current creators,
anyway. "there was absoluetly no master plan on Lost" insists David
Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series's two
best episodes and is now a writer-producer on 24. "anybody who said
that was lying.
"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he
continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything,
and I'm here to tell you no - a lot of things are just arbitrary. What
I always tried to do to do was connect these random elements, to create
the illusion that it was all adding up to something."
Many plot elements were concocted on the fly, Fury says; for
example, they didn't know Hurley won the lottery until it came time to
write his episode. "I don't like to talk about when we come up with
ideas," Lindelof demurs. It's a magic trick. But we planned that plot:
We seeded references to it in earlier episodes." Fury disagrees. He
says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted
into earlier yet-to-air episodes: "it's a brilliant trick to make us
look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem."

 

[Ceres]

That's pretty much the explanation they've given us, though. It has been touched on quite a few times that moving in space and time (and the show's time travel in general) is due to the island's electromagnetism.

If Lost episode threads have taught me anything is that way too many people want every single little thing laid out for them. There's only one thing I wish we had gotten more detail into but I realize that the Libby ship has sailed. I don't need them wasting time on scenes showing Ethan with a surprised look the first time he sees John Locke to tie one minor plot together just because some people cry plothole when they can't use their imagination about what happens off-screen, especially for mysterious minor characters.

 

[gdt]

If Lost episode threads have taught me anything is that way too many people want every single little thing laid out for them. There's only one thing I wish we had gotten more detail into but I realize that the Libby ship has sailed. I don't need them wasting time on scenes showing Ethan with a surprised look the first time he sees John Locke to tie one minor plot together just because some people cry plothole when they can't use their imagination about what happens off-screen, especially for mysterious minor characters.

This (more or less). I don't need everything "answered." I need Jack to meet Claire and Christian. Kate to find Claire. Sun to give the ring back to Claire. Jin and Sun to get back to each other, etc etc etc.

It's aboot the characters, man.

 

[Solo]

"there was absoluetly no master plan on Lost" insists David
Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series's two
best episodes and is now a writer-producer on 24. "anybody who said
that was lying."

"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he
continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything,
and I'm here to tell you no - a lot of things are just arbitrary. What
I always tried to do to do was connect these random elements, to create
the illusion that it was all adding up to something."

"I don't like to talk about when we come up with
ideas," Lindelof demurs. It's a magic trick. But we planned that plot:
We seeded references to it in earlier episodes." Fury disagrees. He
says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted
into earlier yet-to-air episodes: "it's a brilliant trick to make us
look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem."

I'm going to enjoy quoting this a million fucking times in S6 whenever I once again use common sense to rationalize that most of the stuff has been made up season to season, and Darko tries to "refute" that by posting that lame Lindelcuse avatar.

Solo am justified.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I suppose he's right, but he also sounds pissed that they didn't agree with where he wanted the show to go.

 

[gdt]

I'm going to enjoy quoting this a million fucking times in S6 whenever I once again use common sense to rationalize that most of the stuff has been made up season to season, and Darko tries to "refute" that by posting that lame Lindelcuse avatar.

Solo am justified.

I've always assumed that they've had a solid but very skeletal structure (including more or less the ending, which they then fleshed out when they made the ending deal) for the show. But the grand total of details are written and they write.

For example, when we saw the Robert fired his rifle and couldn't because Rosususua took out the pin, people freaked saying Lindelcuse had planned it out.

I just figured when Lindelcuse said "hey, we'll show Rousosous and Robert. Oh, remember how Rosoosuaua describe killing Robert? Yeah, lets show that. Should be cool for the hardcore fans."

Which is fine and expected IMO.

 

[Solo]

I just figured when Lindelcuse said "hey, we'll show Rousosous and Robert. Oh, remember how Rosoosuaua describe killing Robert? Yeah, lets show that. Should be cool for the hardcore fans.

EXACTLY. Im convinced that this is how they right 90% of the show, which, as you said, is fine. What annoys me is the fans blowing their loads thinking that they must have planned this all out. No, you silly, silly people, they are fleshing things out/filling in gaps after the fact.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I'm going to enjoy quoting this a million fucking times in S6 whenever I once again use common sense to rationalize that most of the stuff has been made up season to season, and Darko tries to "refute" that by posting that lame Lindelcuse avatar.

Solo am justified.

Man fuck that guy. I'm with Grillo-Marxuawaurxuax. Dude violated the sacred trust of the Writer's Room where everyone should be able to feel comfortable talking about anything, including whatever personal experience might influence the writing, comfortable in the knowledge that it will never leave that room.

If the dude told me my shirt was on fire, I'd ask for a second opinion even if I smelled the smoke.

 

[Solo]

Man fuck that guy. I'm with Grillo-Marxuawaurxuax. Dude violated the sacred trust of the Writer's Room where everyone should be able to feel comfortable talking about anything, including whatever personal experience might influence the writing, comfortable in the knowledge that it will never leave that room.

If the dude told me my shirt was on fire, I'd ask for a second opinion even if I smelled the smoke.

Bolded/underlined is all fine and dandy, except for the fact you've got your showrunners out there telling blatant lies about having it all mapped out. As I see it, butthurt or not, Fury did us a favor.

 

[gdt]

Bolded/underlined is all fine and dandy, except for the fact you've got your showrunners out there telling blatant lies about having it all mapped out. As I see it, butthurt or not, Fury did us a favor.

Well, on the other hand, what if it's Fury lying?

I mean, I know he wrote Walkabout and all, but he could be lying.

Edit: Or more likely somehow mistaken, embellishing, etc. Lying seems to be a bit strong.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Bolded/underlined is all fine and dandy, except for the fact you've got your showrunners out there telling blatant lies about having it all mapped out. As I see it, butthurt or not, Fury did us a favor.

If you believe a word he says, which I plan to never do.

 

[Solo]

He left the show - its not like he was fired. Dont see what kind of axe he would have to grind.

 

[John Harker]

See, been sayin' it for years... totally not made up as they go along.

::

 

[gdt]

He left the show - its not like he was fired. Dont see what kind of axe he would have to grind.

Yeah. See my edit. If we are to believe Fury, then Lindelcuse is lying. And vice versa.

And Lindelcuse is too cool to lie :/.

 

[Teddman]

I'm going to enjoy quoting this a million fucking times in S6 whenever I once again use common sense to rationalize that most of the stuff has been made up season to season, and Darko tries to "refute" that by posting that lame Lindelcuse avatar.

Solo am justified.

Damn, they really were making it up as they went along. :lol

 

[Solo]

Yeah. See my edit. If we are to believe Fury, then Lindelcuse is lying. And vice versa.

And Lindelcuse is too cool to lie :/.

The way I see it is that S1-halfway thru S3 was totally made up on the fly. Then, once they negotiated the end of the show, they planned out the end of S3. After S3 ended, they planned S4. After it ended, S5. And now, S6. So Im willing to give them credit for planning out half of S3, as well as S4, S5, and S6. But S1-S3.5? Ill never believe a word they say when they claim it was planned.

 

[Blader]

The way I see it is that S1-halfway thru S3 was totally made up on the fly. Then, once they negotiated the end of the show, they planned out the end of S3. After S3 ended, they planned S4. After it ended, S5. And now, S6. So Im willing to give them credit for planning out half of S3, as well as S4, S5, and S6. But S1-S3.5? Ill never believe a word they say when they claim it was planned.

IIRC, they said they've had S6 planned out before S5. Might explain why S5 was less focused compared to S4.

 

[Solo]

I just hope S6 can recover after S5 which almost killed my love for the show :/

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I think s1 they had pretty well thought out and organized on an episode by episode basis. Season 2 & 3 were more skeletally planned, and the ideas were stretched very thin. It's hard to convince me they didn't buckled down post-6seasonagreement, though.

 

[anaron]

Man fuck that guy. I'm with Grillo-Marxuawaurxuax. Dude violated the sacred trust of the Writer's Room where everyone should be able to feel comfortable talking about anything, including whatever personal experience might influence the writing, comfortable in the knowledge that it will never leave that room.

He's being upfront with the audience and clarifying what many people questioned. It's not like he's bitter or anything about it as he always speaks quite highly about LOST's creators. Also, he wrote some of the series best episodes and in general is an immensely talented writer. Dude can say whatever he wants.

 

[suaveric]

I don't think Lindelcuse has ever denied that in the first few seasons they were writing on the fly. They's said that they knew where the road was going, but they didn't know how long it would take to get there. So they obviously had to pad the episodes while they were trying to make it to the major story beats. You'd have to be crazy to think they've had every single bit of back story or know what every character was going to do every episode planned from the beginning.

 

[Totz]

Well, on the other hand, what if it's Fury lying?

I mean, I know he wrote Walkabout and all, but he could be lying.

Edit: Or more likely somehow mistaken, embellishing, etc. Lying seems to be a bit strong.

He could be lying by omission.

I don't think Lindelcuse would tell all the writers their grand master plan for the show. Since the writing staff has seen so many changes throughout the years, it wouldn't be safe to let everyone know the endgame they had planned by the beginning.

 

[anaron]

He could be lying by omission.

I don't think Lindelcuse would tell all the writers their grand master plan for the show. Since the writing staff has seen so many changes throughout the years, it wouldn't be safe to let everyone know the endgame they had planned by the beginning.

In David Fury's case at least, I highly doubt that. The man was heavily involved in the crafting of season one and Locke's character specifically.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

He's being upfront with the audience and clarifying what many people questioned. It's not like he's bitter or anything about it as he always speaks quite highly about LOST's creators. Also, he wrote some of the series best episodes and in general is an immensely talented writer. Dude can say whatever he wants.

So if you were in AA with Bubs, you'd apply the same rules because Bubs is totally cool?

Makes sense.

 

[Zeliard]

EXACTLY. Im convinced that this is how they right 90% of the show, which, as you said, is fine. What annoys me is the fans blowing their loads thinking that they must have planned this all out. No, you silly, silly people, they are fleshing things out/filling in gaps after the fact.

I think most anyone has ever said, including the producers, is that they had the beginning and the end of the series planned and much of everything else was made up on the fly.

It's very obvious that much of Seasons 2 and 3 weren't previously planned because they were jam-packed with filler episodes, and the show didn't start to become logically paced until after Season 3 when they had an end date for the series.

The Jacob/Facob stuff has very possibly been around since the start because the pilot episode and several Season 1 episodes were filled with duality imagery and themes, including black vs white. They've been planting that particular seed from the start.

 

[Solo]

Lets all listen to this and get along:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cvkHv-pO6M&feature=related

 

[Calcaneus]

So if you were in AA with Bubs, you'd apply the same rules because Bubs is totally cool?

Makes sense.

How did he betray them or whatever you're implying?

 

[gdt]

I don't what the hell Ben is talking about half the time.

 

[Spotless Mind]

So if you were in AA with Bubs, you'd apply the same rules because Bubs is totally cool?

Makes sense.

Yeah, cos that's totally the same sort of situation. :lol

 

[master15]

I just hope S6 can recover after S5 which almost killed my love for the show :/

Me to Brother, me too...

Sort of disappointed everyone seem to remember you hating Season 5 yet seemed to ignore my weekly rant of how little I enjoyed last season.

 

[gdt]

Me to Brother, me too...

Sort of disappointed everyone seem to remember you hating Season 5 yet seemed to ignore my weekly rant of how little I enjoyed last season.

Oh I remember you hat phone guy. It's just that K-bear brought up Solo, so for simplicity's sake I stuck with that.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Yeah, cos that's totally the same sort of situation. :lol

Obvs not, but they follow the same interpersonal guidelines.

I'm pretty sure Grillo-Markauraweaux deleted the post he wrote about it, otherwise I'd link to it.

 

[gdt]

If anything, this thread proves we'd all buy a comprehensive "LOST: In The Writer's Room" book of some sort.

 

[gdt]

New tidbits.

Work on the final season of Lost finally gets underway next week, with the writers getting down and out to finalize those plot details, before production begins the following month. But one of those writers won't be showing up: Brian K. Vaughan is confirmed to be leaving the show, according to ABC.

"Unfortunately, he's leaving for greener pastures," executive producer Damon Lindelof told fans at a recent Q&A session, although he didn't elaborate what that exactly meant.

Vaughan joined Lost's writing staff on the back of his work on comic series Y: The Last Man and Ex Machina, and has since peppered the show's recent seasons with cliffhangers and pop culture references. There's this cheeky reference to himself, too--Hugo was reading one of his comic books in one episode. There's been speculation, however, that Vaughan is to oversee production of a film based on Y.

With that, the rest of the writers are pushing through, and there's some idea of what's in store for the show's final season. "We won't be vague and ambiguous," Lindelof told British fans in another event organized by the BAFTA in London. "There will be a lot of answers. We feel that if we hold anything back in the final season, it would be bad. Everyone's come this far and they want a conclusion to the story. We've no plans to continue the story of Lost beyond [season] six."

Fellow executive producer Carlton Cuse hinted that the final season wouldn't be as complicated as the past seasons. "There's a circularity to the show," he said, drawing comparisons to the first seasons.

It's no happy ending, note. "Bittersweet comes with the territory," Lindelof said. "The ending we're aspiring to is fair. As a viewer, whenever you have five minutes left, there's an intense sadness. The ending of [season] six will be different from other finales because there will be no cliffhanger."

And, in an unusual teasing of plans, Cuse revealed that the smoke monster will become "an interesting character in and of itself." Claire's return, anyone?

 

[master15]

And Lindelcuse is too cool to lie :/.

Didn’t he have to fess up after accusing (forgot the actress name who played Charlotte) for being the person responsible for the goof about her age because the actress didn’t want to be portrayed as that old.
Which the actress called him out on and he quickly recanted?

 

[jett]

I just hope S6 can recover after S5 which almost killed my love for the show :/

We don't want your kind around these parts!

S5 was awesome.

 

[Dies Iræ]

I hope Joss grabs BKV for the Dollhouse team. They've always worked well together.

 

[gdt]

I hope Joss grabs BKV for the Dollhouse team. They've always worked well together.

It seems he left to do Y (or something else), not another show. Otherwise why leave LOST?