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Women Characters Redesigned by Women SFF Artists
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Pinko Marx
Banned
Ouch. That Chun li is terribad.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Other M. It should not be acknowledged and its content is not relevant to the plot of Zero Mission, which happens much earlier (it's a remake or Metroid 1, so...)
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Primethius
Banned
Another problem I have with ZSS is the face change from Metroid Prime 1.
This remains my favorite rendition of Samus.
The new face, the heels, the Zero Suit design, it all screams fanservice. And it seems to be becoming the defacto new representation of Samus. Bleh.
This remains my favorite rendition of Samus.
The new face, the heels, the Zero Suit design, it all screams fanservice. And it seems to be becoming the defacto new representation of Samus. Bleh.
Anton Sugar
Member
Never played Other M. Almost positive we see her suit materialize in one of the Prime games, and looks like it was in that official Zero Mission prequel manga, as well.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
My favorite redesign is one that fans of the series would find blasphemous. I think it makes her actually look like a bounty hunter.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
That was a recent 'development' by Sakomoto with the whole 'she manifests it with willpower, so when she loses control, it fades', as part of what happens in Other M.
The skintight-feature is debatable, but the built-in platform heels don't make any real sense, especially when the power suit doesn't follow suit.
Concerning all the old games had Samus 'exploding' into bikini (or at least a tube top) and shorts for beating the game, the Zero suit was a continuation of that idea, to add an additional segment to Zero Mission.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
There is nothing wrong with the Phoenix outfit. The problem is that Greg Land drew it. He can make even the most respectable female character look like a porn star.
I hope my mom doesn't see my anime and manga collection......
Dice//
Banned
Thanks for the concern. But I doubt this is reaching out to only 1% of women who'd approve.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
I might be misremembering then, sorry. The Prime Trilogy has been idling in my Wii U menu for quite a while so I'll look out for that when I get the chance to replay them.
But still, the suit loses power in Zero Mission. She doesn't not wear it because it's gone but because it's become useless.
My favorite redesign is one that fans of the series would find blasphemous. I think it makes her actually look like a bounty hunter.
I like this, but much like the other design from the article, it doesn't seem futuristic enough to me. Or at least, futuristic in the Metroid sense. That looks like how Samus Aran would be depicted in Star Wars or something.
They gave boxing shorts to a kung fu fighter, lol.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
My favorite redesign is one that fans of the series would find blasphemous. I think it makes her actually look like a bounty hunter.
awww the little metroid is suckin on a juice box.
Some of those are pretty good, but Peach doesn't fit within her universe at all, and Samus's Zero Suit redesign doesn't really work as a replacement for the Zero Suit's function, since it clearly isn't designed to be worn under anything.
I'm not sure why Smash Bros keeps getting brought up in discussions of how practical the Zero Suit is. Mario isn't wearing overalls because he thinks they'll be useful in a battle against fighters from other universes, he's wearing them because it's a fan-service game, and overalls Mario is a recognizable and popular image of the character. That's why the princesses are wearing full dresses instead of the more practical outfits they wear in the kart or sports games, and why villager looks dressed for picking weeds and shopping rather than beating the crap out of things. The Zero Suit makes sense for its function in Metroid, and it doesn't make sense in Smash because nothing makes sense in Smash. That's the whole point.
I'm not sure why Smash Bros keeps getting brought up in discussions of how practical the Zero Suit is. Mario isn't wearing overalls because he thinks they'll be useful in a battle against fighters from other universes, he's wearing them because it's a fan-service game, and overalls Mario is a recognizable and popular image of the character. That's why the princesses are wearing full dresses instead of the more practical outfits they wear in the kart or sports games, and why villager looks dressed for picking weeds and shopping rather than beating the crap out of things. The Zero Suit makes sense for its function in Metroid, and it doesn't make sense in Smash because nothing makes sense in Smash. That's the whole point.
Primethius
Banned
My favorite redesign is one that fans of the series would find blasphemous. I think it makes her actually look like a bounty hunter.
I'd take this over the ZSS design in a heartbeat. ZSS is awful. She went from an enigmatic bounty hunter in MP to some generic blonde model for fan-service purposes.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
AgentScarlet from DeviantArt
That's what's actually really bizarre about the ZSS design. It is entirely generic. Samus basically looks like any other blonde woman in a body-suit. There's nothing remotely special about about design and nothing that screams bounty hunter.
To be fair, MP was the exception. Bikini Samus was a thing from day one.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, the character was always depicted as being somewhat fan-servicey under that armor, going back to the original NES game.
Anton Sugar
Member
Ah, knew I wasn't crazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAxeQ-wS7d4&t=261
There's also this Metroid wiki entry:
Understood, I was simply using that as a point against the "she wears this because it's easier to put the armor on" reason.
rbanke
Member
I like most of them better than the originals, some of them look a bit boring. The peach one rubs me the wrong way. I don't take saving a princess as 'all women are weak' as much as she is a sheltered princess who hasn't had a rough day in her life, which could just as easily be a male prince needing help. So the 'who needs saving now' seems to focus on the wrong problem? I could be poorly articulating this.
Primethius
Banned
Fair enough but her rendition in MP was fantastic. That's why I'm disappointed. It's a regression.
Japanese character design versus American character design.
I'm probably going to get flack for this, but do some of you guys seriously not like having any fan service here and there? I don't mean games like Dead Or Alive and Soul Calibur that get well into the realm of totally ridiculous, of course, but Metroid is nothing like that.
MisterGrey3000
Member
My favorite redesign is one that fans of the series would find blasphemous. I think it makes her actually look like a bounty hunter.
Cool stuff, looks like "Metroid: Star Wars Edition"; I actually get more of a Han Solo/lovable rogue vibe from this than "bounty hunter".
Aquamarine
Member
My favorite redesign is one that fans of the series would find blasphemous. I think it makes her actually look like a bounty hunter.
Oh hell yes.
This is an awesome picture. I'd take that over the conventional, fanservice-esque ZSS design any day.
Anton Sugar
Member
Well, still, "Nintendo has used her as a skimpy fanservice reward" isn't a valid excuse in 2015.
"Fanservice" is not synonymous with oversexualizing or objectifying women, so no, I'm not against fanservice, but I'm against this specific TYPE of fanservice, because it's typically aimed on a specific segment of the audience.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
That's fair I guess. It definitely might clash with the "Metroid" vision of the future.
Cool stuff, looks like "Metroid: Star Wars Edition".
It's the pants...that orange reminds a lot of X-Wing pilots!
Primethius
Banned
I think that's beside the point actually. ZSS is not "here or there." She's become, I would argue, the defacto representation of Samus in games. It would be one thing if Samus was always the way she was in the SNES games at the very end where her suit comes off. But there's a fantastic design for Samus and ZSS isn't it. ZSS is pretty uninspired and is clearly meant to be fanservice.
This is a great re-imagining, she has so much personality here
Honestly I think the Zero Suit would look great if it was a wetsuit-type design, still skintight with tailoring but fitting more appropriately over the chest and bum to keep things wrapped up well underneath the power suit. There are legitimate reasons for it to be form-fitting, like thermal underwear or the real life astronaut underwear that was posted earlier.
I like the Star Trek redesign in the original link for similar reasons; skintight costumes can be sexy and tasteful with some thought put into them. I also like the Emma Frost redesign very much because it has a lot of character and more classy sex appeal.
Chû Totoro
Member
It seems to me that these women artists are making pretty similar design that the ones I would expect from men.. sadly :/
But I'm glad they're not representative of every women like a lot of men video game designers are not representative of all men. They most of the time are close to what the most people like hence women designed characters being close to men designed characters. In a way it's nice to see genres not making a that big difference. Now time to give women the same salary as men
But I'm glad they're not representative of every women like a lot of men video game designers are not representative of all men. They most of the time are close to what the most people like hence women designed characters being close to men designed characters. In a way it's nice to see genres not making a that big difference. Now time to give women the same salary as men
Anton Sugar
Member
As far as whether or not the redesign fits the Metroid universe, I don't think we can say one way or another. I have fond memories of the space trucker-ish art of the old Super Metroid comic, so it absolutely works for me:
I don't agree with that at all. Armored Samus always gets "top billing." And I'm asking if you're bothered by the fan service.
So these are just the same characters but with more clothes that doesn't even make sense. Why would Peach wear all that clothing when she's a princess who supposed to be wearing a royal dress? Why would Phoenix wear that bothersome dress when she needs to fly around and have aerodynamic clothes? Why would Zero Suit Samus be wearing baggy clothing when she needs to wear tight clothing to fit under the armour? This goes to show you they have no idea the story behind some of these characters.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Ah, I gotcha.
I checked, and my reference was pointing moreso to the 'loss' of control by taking a simple pistol shot from Adam in the de-materialization of the suit with minimal actual damage, rather than the 'she can't put on/take the suit off' easily sense.
The form-fitting aspect still could apply in that case, tho.
The original portrayal of the suit in Zero Mission wasn't, I'd argue, it was an evolution of the old "Samus' armor explodes when the energy tanks hit zero" aspect, which showed her in underclothes, as part of a last-effort stealth mission.
Save for the ending cutscene if you finish 100% under two hours, which is pretty blatantly solely fanservice when taken into context with the 'less complete/longer time to finish' counterparts, which has been present since the beginning.
Primethius
Banned
Minimal fan service? No.
Something like Bayonetta? Yea I can live without that.
My problem here is more so that the new Samus design isn't as good as the MP Samus design.
Anton Sugar
Member
These points have already been discussed. The Peach one is pretty divisive, but Phoenix can light herself on fire. I don't think aerodynamics are a concern.
The jumpsuit that the Samus redesign is wearing looks much closer to what astronauts wear under their suits.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I'm sorry. It hurts my eyes to.